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Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-12 01:24:06
September 12 2011 01:03 GMT
#41
/IN I love LOTR

(though I sort of still have to read the books, where's that copy of the Fellowship I saw lying around here somewhere?)
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 15 2011 23:16 GMT
#92
##Ban Sknowman
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 16 2011 02:41 GMT
#99
On September 16 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 10:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 16 2011 08:48 GMarshal wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:37 Radfield wrote:
Screw it. Put me /in coach.

Now I *really* want to play :-(

Damn school.


Fuck school, catch scum.


what jcarl said.

Except replace scum with nazgul.

Hey we should get Nazgul to play in this. Curu PM him!


This. Do it. Now.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 16 2011 20:35 GMT
#118
On September 17 2011 05:28 Curu wrote:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand role PMs are all out.

Game will officially start in 4 and a half hours.

does this mean we can't discuss the game until then?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 01:23 GMT
#183
God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too

##Vote Drazerk
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 01:24 GMT
#184
To clarify though I'm really suspicious of him for dropping a third vote on someone that originally had no justification, then he voted without adding any justification.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 01:33 GMT
#188
Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies)

Frodo probably can give the ring
Sam almost definitely can
Aragorn possibly can
And
In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 01:40 GMT
#190
On September 17 2011 10:35 xtfftc wrote:
It's not really important as it's all speculations at the moment but I don't see Tom Bombadil as anything else but a neutral PGO who shoots at anyone who visits him apart from hobbits and Gandalf.


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On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote:

Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment.


They definitely should be.


See now I don't know the lore but unless this is like a 110% perfect fit, I'd rather stay away from guessing such specific roles (especially with specific exceptions) just from lore. Even if it is a fit, maybe Curu doesn't like PGOs (paranoid gun owners if like me you had to look it up, xtfftc described the whole role though) so I really don't think we can or should try to assume these things.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 02:19 GMT
#197
On September 17 2011 11:11 OriginalName wrote:
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On September 17 2011 10:58 GreYMisT wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:33 Navillus wrote:
Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies)

Frodo probably can give the ring
Sam almost definitely can
Aragorn possibly can
And
In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this.


Navillus I think the following list is correct in terms of most resistant to the ring's corruption to the least resistant.
Hobbits
Wizards
Elves
Dwarves
Men

I think a townie should never give the ring away unless specific mechanics of the ring make it detrimental to hold on to (corruption possibly). Anyways to get more discussion going what do you guys think about lynching a lurker day 1 in the absence of a better target? Maybe its just me but whenever this happens it always ends badly for the town. Don't seem to get much info from them because they were lurking from the get go anyways. Thoughts on the lynch lurkers policy guys?


...

DIDNT YOU JUST WANT TO TRADE THE RING TO YOU.

ok i see im not sure if scum or really stupid.


Wait does anyone think that he was seriously trying to get the ring?? I thought it was quite clear that his original post was a joke, not just the content he makes it look joking, it really is a null tell and doesn't matter if he contradicts it, cause you know, it was a joke...
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 03:54 GMT
#203
On September 17 2011 12:25 GGQ wrote:
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On September 17 2011 10:40 Drazerk wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:23 Navillus wrote:
God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too

##Vote Drazerk



Fine with me... no idea why you would claim VT this early in the game though.


Yeah claiming VT is really sketch tbh. It's either a lie or bad play.


Why is it a bad play?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 03:54 GMT
#204
EBWOP: I'm actually curious, I'm still really bad at mafia and I want to know.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 17:11 GMT
#300
Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now?


6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.)

As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 18:41 GMT
#323
On September 18 2011 03:11 heist wrote:
Navillus

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 10:23 Navillus wrote:
God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too

##Vote Drazerk



Claiming your role hours into the game is the single most suspicious thing anyone has done this game. Not only is this your very first post into the game, but you also start off with a very early vote. Let's place this in conjunction with your latest post.

Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote:
Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now?


6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.)

As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me.


1. Your original claim for voting for Drazerk is that he had no justification. Yet now you admit that you knew exactly what DrH and Drazerk were trying to do: create pressure. But you feel the need to start your game off by voting for one of them. It's a safe and easy vote at the time but now there is clear contradiction between your reasoning then and your justifications now.

2. Your entire response to people (one of whom is Drazerk) calling you out on claiming so early is troubling to me. You claim over and over to be inexperienced and you start attacking those that called you out, namely Drazerk.

3. Furthermore, your reasoning for attacking Drazerk is a little troubling. So... if I understand correctly, DrH and Drazerk do the exact same thing, but one is a vet townie and one is scummy? Based purely on how you good you think they are? You also provide additional justification in saying he attacked you. He never attacked you, he called you out for claiming VT. I can believe you made a mistake, but your reactions so far to being challenged is one that I find highly suspicious.


Then why aren't you voting for me?

Also I numbered you're main paragraphs for clarity

Now to respond - Claiming was a mistake I've said that don't have much more to add, there wasn't any deep reason for it, just a bad decision.

1. I don't admit that I know exactly what both of them were doing, I both now and at the time believed that the original vote was pressure, I also believe that Dr. H's vote was also pressure because he adds a little and yes because he's supposedly very good, good enough to not as scum try to start a bandwagon with the second vote of the game. I don't though believe that Drazerk's vote was necessarily also pressure, he just quoted someone else and dropped his vote there, adding basically nothing.

2. I'm not attacking him for calling me out, I was attacking him before he called me out and my problem isn't that he called me out, it's that he called me out in place of actually answering my accusation

3. Yes the fact that one is a vet did factor into my thoughts, but also as I said Dr. H didn't just quote chaoser and go on his way, Drazerk did. And again, it's not that he attacked me or called me out that's suspicious it's that he ignored the original accusation and attacked, or called out, or whatevered me instead, that serves to both divert attention from him and to attempt to discredit his accuser without actually responding.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 20:41 GMT
#340
Ok you have discussion, now why should we lynch him?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 21:09 GMT
#345
I'm extraordinarily thick and incapable of reasoning, so please that silver platter would be excellent.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 22:00 GMT
#355
On September 18 2011 06:40 Ciryandor wrote:
Also, prplhz is a good guy but maybe he's not, scum might all vote together, but maybe they won't, And splitting the vote into two candidates might be bad, but maybe not. And Rayne is suspicious, but also he's not.


What I read
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 18 2011 01:15 GMT
#379
On September 18 2011 10:00 JeeJee wrote:
##vote:jeejee

The shadow is my friend.

[image loading]
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 18 2011 01:21 GMT
#380
Supersoft I am Elladan, Elven Prince, Vanilla Townie Extraordinaire (I added extraordinaire... I'm sure some people would try to make that out as a scum slip somehow)
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 18 2011 01:36 GMT
#382
On September 18 2011 10:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 07:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 18 2011 07:29 Erandorr wrote:
Sup!


O Hai!
You've got a fair bit to catch up on yet.
Keep in mind while catching up that the minimum is 5 posts per day/night.

On wherebugsgo, I get the distinct impression he's just a townie who wanted to have the ring and decided acting as Smeagol and demanding the ring until people got bored of it was better than trying to defend himself actively. I'm willing to bet there is no posting restriction, in fact I think it was explicitly stated somewhere that there wasn't.
That said, I'd be comfortable with a lynch on him on the off-chance he is telling the truth about being third party, purely because that seems to make him a safer bet than most others.



I agree with you that there's almost definitely no post restriction. Notice how his posts went from all saying "gimme the ring", and now they aren't. I may be missing a pattern, but I don't think he's following restrictions.

Also, @chaoser: Let me clarify "somewhat large leap". I took "leaning town" to mean "I'm going to put them aside for now, and look for others." That didn't sit right with me because I don't feel comfortable with the bandwagon/town pressuring (however you want to see it) of grey.


Ehh it still might be a restriction, he could just be required to post it a certain number of times
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 18 2011 02:43 GMT
#388
On September 18 2011 11:14 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 10:21 Navillus wrote:
Supersoft I am Elladan, Elven Prince, Vanilla Townie Extraordinaire (I added extraordinaire... I'm sure some people would try to make that out as a scum slip somehow)


1.This means jackshit, Curu explcitly stated that all scums have a safeclaim.

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On September 17 2011 10:23 Navillus wrote:
God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too

##Vote Drazerk


2.Does the exact same thing as drazerk does, fairly self explanitory. Its like your trying to start a bandwagon.

Show nested quote +
Wait does anyone think that he was seriously trying to get the ring?? I thought it was quite clear that his original post was a joke, not just the content he makes it look joking, it really is a null tell and doesn't matter if he contradicts it, cause you know, it was a joke...


3.Why defend him like this, just because he claims it was a joke at the time doesnt it mean it nessicarily does.

He basically went "Ok guys gimmie the ring" then once people were like "wtf are you retarded or scum or some shits" then hes like naw JK.

I mean really the only time your at all connected to him is this post and desite people being suspicious you have not given your thoughts into at all, all youve done really is talk about the ring and tunnel drazerk for borderline silly reasons.

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On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote:
Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now?


6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.)

As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me.


4.Dont bullshit noobcard me.

at this point goes, "Oh he can do it but this person cannot because clearly this person is clearly beneath me and we should totally completely lynch him amirite?

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On September 18 2011 06:09 Navillus wrote:
I'm extraordinarily thick and incapable of reasoning, so please that silver platter would be excellent.


5.Care to explain more into this navillus.

FOS Navillus





1. That's why I didn't bother to give it originally, I just gave it in response to supersoft

2. Well that's because I did want a wagon because, you know, I thought and think that he is scum. The difference is that 1. I also wanted to force a response to get a further read on him, which I did, this further read made my suspicions stronger. 2. I was basing my vote off of what I perccieve to be pretty scummy actions he didn't even give his own reason for his vote, he just quoted someone, also Greymists original post did not look nearly scummy enough to drop a third vote on and try to start a bandwagon from which leads me to

3. It looked like a joke in the original post

I feel our best course of action day one has got to be to have whoever is in possession of the One Ring to come out of hiding and give it to me. I'll take good care of it.


This looks very much like a joke, I actually don't have much to add, if you can't identify when someone is joking and at the very least when someone obviously isn't actually pushing for something I don't know what I can say to convince you.

I'll take good care of it.


Does this really look like he thought there was any possibility of the ringbearer actually just handing it over based on this point??? And again my thoughts on him are that he was joking, if I think that, then there's not much for me to add.

4. I never said that Drazerk was beneath me, please don't put stupid words in my mouth it actually makes me angry. I compared him to Dr. H, and I also compared their actions which you neglected to mention.

5. And THIS is why we don't just filter people's posts and analyze them based on that, if you could have been bothered to actually read the thread you would see that that made perfect sense in context, I will not baby you and explain things that you should have read yourself, go back and read the whole thread please, THEN respond to this.

Finally, I have a question for you, you just spent probably a decent amount of time filtering my posts and writing this up, if you think ALL these things reflect badly on me then... why no vote? Don't worry I won't be offended, but seriously do you or do you not think that I'm scum, a FOS is a whimpy way of accusing me without having to take any responsibility, if you think I'm scum please I want you to vote for me.

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