Some Mafia Game

On September 06 2011 12:34 Ace wrote:
yea, I'm not so sure on your actual ability and no one has vouched you. Tough luck.



There will be flips.



This is a normal game by all accounts with a hidden role list. Just think of it like that.

On September 07 2011 09:58 GGQ wrote:


FOS for discouraging discussion

On September 07 2011 10:05 GGQ wrote:


hihi, you read my profile? Dutch 4lyf

On September 07 2011 11:12 GGQ wrote:


For serious AoE3 hipster cred, you have to remember the days that French were unstoppable (20% more effective workers lololol)

On September 07 2011 11:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh game didn't start yet? I FAILURE

On September 08 2011 11:20 iGrok wrote:


First of all, I didn't "start the shit fest day1".

The shitfest had been going on since Curu voted Palmer pre-game. But that specific shitfest started with WBG's Random Vote.

Second of all



This is trying hard to justify it?

Look, if you want to tunnel someone, that's fine. Just pick someone else to fight with.

On September 09 2011 02:25 BayonnetAnderson wrote:

Ah, random voting, the most useless way to possibly kick a game off. Arguing about lurkers is better than this. Seriously, does anyone feel threatened at all with 1/9 votes? Any risk of death?

Now, iGrok, lets talk about him shall we



This jumps out at me, this is so... unnecessarily defensive, I don't think I've ever been "on edge" when rolling town. I mean as town I don't really care that much if I die or if a couple of idiots vote for me, its almost par for the course. I generally don't even acknowledge the first votes thrown at me, nor do most town, as we know we are innocent. We certainly have nothing to fear, why then is iGrok scared and on edge? What motivation is there for this "edginess", from a town perspective? None, at least none that I can see.

Lets compare this "edginess" with what iGrok usually does as town. From XLIV, his first post upon replacing



Doesn't seem that on edge to me, no real nervousnessor attempts at justification, just "this is what I think, deal with it!" There is not "oh no, I better avoid people tunneling me, what are people going to think of me" namely there is not fear no emotional undercurrent that suggests iGrok might be hiding something, even though there is a bit of doubt its not the prominent part of the post, its not dominating it, unlike the majority of his posts here.

This post right here gives a similar emotional vibe to the first quote I posted, namely fear and discomfort


Can no one else smell the tinge of fear from this post? Note that this desire to avoid the spotlight, this deep fear isn't present in his play as town in mafia XLIV, where he was not at all afraid to be a nexus of attention. Notice he *really* doesn't want to be tunneled, he wants to be away from the spotlight

Compare the above "oh don't tunnel me" to iGrok's response to being called scum by wherebugsgo in XLIV



Notice the absolute lack of fear in fact there is a bit of arrogance in the post, that is the attitude of a town player. Fear and anger are what I see in iGrok's posts so far this game, not a tinge of arrogance or that "deal with it" tone from mafia XLIV.

Its interesting that iGrok apparently notices this change (probably informed by his team) and drops back to an arrogant tone with things like



Which is a magnificent change, but far too late, and still out of character. The major sticking point of this in my mind is that while iGrok was arrogant in XLIV, his arrogance was always *useful*, while he did post with some arrogance and willfulness it was never stuff like "we'll I don't feel like helping right now", generally he didn't shut down avenues of conversation like this, arrogance was also one of his major sticking points in mafia XL, where he was the mafia godfather, and he took an "everyone but me sucks" approach to the game, which got him lynched day 2, this looks like a lapse into similar behavior. What motivation does a townie have for refusing to give his reads?

This evidence is pretty damning. iGrok's fear and doubt have become his undoing, iGrok is almost certainly scum.

##Vote: iGrok

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On September 09 2011 04:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

i disagree, ive never really seen a rvs on teamliquid and imo it basicly quick started the game. (i like the random talking about the game better)
random vote, ergo scum, is a pretty bad base for an analysis. the rest of your analysis is pretty good but starting it of with that random vote makes me think you are mainly attacking him because he voted for you.

On September 09 2011 04:23 BayonnetAnderson wrote:

None of my case is based on it being random voting, read the actual case. I'm simply saying I think its stupid, but towns do it all the time, its not really a tell either way.

Way to take a single line and use it to try to discredit a whole case. I was just pointing out that I believe the RVS is utterly worthless, NOT that iGrok is scum for starting/participating in it.

On September 09 2011 05:36 Curu wrote:
Let's get this thread going. If not TAA I would be down for GGQ.

On September 09 2011 05:51 Palmar wrote:
Didn't even know TAA was playing. I think iGrok is a bad lynch, GGQ is by far the better alternative.

On September 09 2011 06:07 Curu wrote:
I don't agree with the case on iGrok. I don't think scum would put themselves so out there at the start of the game without trying to push something, and he's not really trying to push any objective. I find GGQ a bit suspicious for trying to throw suspicion on an obvious RV before the game even started.

TAA's posts have been a lot of nothing relevant. I feel best about him, especially with his response to Bayonnet's post. He says it's good analysis but then that it's all irrelevant because it's an OMGUS. If it's good analysis it obviously isn't an OMGUS.

On September 09 2011 06:10 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
i basicly tell him its stupid to introduce someone as the dude whos voting for me is scum because of this :