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Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 02 2011 16:43 GMT

/in

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 05 2011 23:29 GMT

#44

If everybody /outs but me do I win?

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 06 2011 02:14 GMT

#48

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 06 2011 14:19 GMT

#72

/Confirmed.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 07 2011 02:18 GMT

#88

On September 07 2011 00:25 GGQ wrote:
/confirm...

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... that jackal is scum

I almost smiled.

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But then I realized you were scum.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 07 2011 02:42 GMT

#92

On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability.

I can lick my elbow.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 07 2011 03:04 GMT

#95

wherebugsgo
hebrew go gues?????

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 07 2011 20:34 GMT

#125

Nice day post. I suppose it's game on then. I thought you guys were still trolling each other.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 08 2011 01:11 GMT

#142

On September 08 2011 08:10 sandroba wrote:
Also let's get to posting people, more than half the players in this game are completely inactive. Unfortunatelly we have no info on the setup, so I don't think discussion on roles will take us anywhere as of now. Let me just say that if I think you are good and you start making ridiculous acusations and being unreasonable you will not be excused =P

We're trying to read the last 2 pages without having our brains fall out. I have never seen a game start like this before.
The first 5 posts contained a vote. The next 10 were a pissing contest between a bunch of 13 year old brats. And it went down hill from there. I wish I was as good as you guys. My first post with any substance to it will be made after I've had another 12 beers. You guys won't make any sense to me until I'm damn near unconscious.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 08 2011 01:58 GMT

#149

On September 08 2011 10:55 chaos13 wrote:

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On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:

On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:

On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:

On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:

On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:

On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:

On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:

On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:

On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:
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Oh boy let's rolefish some more.
##vote:ggq

Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?

why not?

I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?'

"why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action.

"why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further.

So cut the crap. Why?

Calm down broski.

It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right.
if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again.
##vote:ggq

Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing".

Bum: I think everyone has a role
GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree
JeeJee: rolefishing

?

But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"!

##vote:ggq

I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game.

1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning

2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy

3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me.

4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote.

5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread.

6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town.

7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning.

8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it).
b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum.

9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here...

To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys?

This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now.

>>calls my post OMGUS
>>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee
>>?!?!?!

When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want.

Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat?

If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose.

That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is.

It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over.

Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem.

Jee Jee needed to be hit upside the head with a 2X4. Why the hell are you defending him?

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 08 2011 13:30 GMT

#167

On September 08 2011 20:34 chaos13 wrote:

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Hi Palmar.

In case I don't get the time to place my vote after work today

##Vote GGQ

Would you please explain? I've just reread everything GGQ has posted and there is nothing there.
You and Jee Jee are tag teaming him. And no I'm not defending GGQ. I'm calling you out for a vote that makes no sense to me.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 08 2011 13:55 GMT

#169

On September 08 2011 22:44 Palmar wrote:
Why do you feel the need to specifically state that you're not defending him? It's not scummy to ask for reasoning behind votes, and it's not scummy opposing bad lynches. If you don't think chaos13's case is good, then that's fine, but why so... defensive about it?

Because he accused me of it on the previous page.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 08 2011 13:57 GMT

#170

Here's the exchange.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11283118
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11283225

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 08 2011 14:12 GMT

#172

I'm leaning that way. Want to hear his response to my question first.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 08 2011 21:21 GMT

#199

Wtf is an RVS?????

I'm down with lynching any of the first 5 people that started the game with a vote.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 08 2011 21:24 GMT

#202

On September 09 2011 06:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

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##unvote
##vote bumatlarge
of iGrok and GGQ, iGrok is the scummiest but the case against either is pretty bad.

That makes perfect sense/////////// If you're not quite sane.
##VOTE: TheAwesomeAll

I encourage everybody to vote for one of these derps voting for no reason. Pick a couple and we'll consolidate. This game is pure bullshit so far.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 10 2011 13:53 GMT

#352

On September 10 2011 21:36 Curu wrote:
sandroba, Palmar, what are your thoughts about the game currently?

Jackal?

Curu?

The derp fest appears to have ended.
Sandroba needs to post some more. He's not playing the townie Sandroba
Palmar hasn't called everybody scum yet. That's different.
Mig is calling sinani scum for being online and not voting. I'd think scum would be inclined to vote more than a townie. I know I follow games much closer when I'm scum. Mig is my favorite to lynch so far today.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 10 2011 16:11 GMT

#369

Nice shot Oswald.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

September 10 2011 16:27 GMT

#374

On September 11 2011 01:24 BayonnetAnderson wrote:

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Can I get back to you on that? I was making my net of suspects based on iGrok flipping red, I need to go back and reread the thread and try to figure out what I've overlooked.

bleh.

Look real hard at Bugs GMan.