Resurrection Mafia

On August 31 2011 19:09 Sknowman wrote:


Must have missed where it said "Chaos13"

On September 01 2011 09:11 Palmar wrote:


Shut up.

On September 01 2011 17:54 Kenpachi wrote:

I would also like a summary of these following players:
Sknowman
Wherebugsgo
jcarlsoniv

On September 01 2011 21:32 Palmar wrote:
So how about we lynch Varpulis and jcarlsoniv?

I think that'd be a good way to start the game.

Also, if sandroba doesn't start posting I'd be fine with lynching him.

I think redFF and chaos13 are almost definitely town, but I need more evidence to be conclusive.

On September 02 2011 14:37 sinani206 wrote:

I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts.

Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now.

##Vote: redFF

PS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it.

On September 02 2011 21:09 wherebugsgo wrote:


What wat

A daykiller is also a vet?

On September 03 2011 01:28 Jackal58 wrote:
This makes no sense to me. "I think he's town but I'm going to plant a little scummy seed"
Chaos started with the same "Don't Spam My Game or I'll be Pissed Off" post that he did in Werewolves. Ya he was scum there too.

##VOTE: Chaos13

On September 03 2011 05:13 Ace wrote:
## vote chaos13

Let chaos reign!

On September 03 2011 08:57 sandroba wrote:
Okay, but you would rather let mafia decide who they lynch? If you don't switch for some of the leading candidates I'm gonna hunt you down if somehow I survive this night.

On September 03 2011 09:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:


That's not at all what he's saying. When all the votes are this close, if mafia has a roleblocker, they can null a vote and decide who gets lynched.

On September 03 2011 09:29 sandroba wrote:
You guys are idiots. I'll check back when we are lynching bum/ON. To my EXTREME surprise bum did not get lynched, I wonder what that means.

On September 02 2011 03:13 wherebugsgo wrote:


I've started school, and it's day 1. We have nothing to go off right now, there's nothing really to contribute. The flavor of this game is really weird, so I'd rather have as much information as possible than blindly accuse people for shitty reasons.

Obviously that worked so well in XLIV, where we lynched two townies before actually objectively reading people's reactions and posts.

I'm currently on my phone, and will be back later today. Hopefully we'll have a little more to go on by then.

On September 03 2011 03:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'll be honest, all the current lynch targets suck.

If we have only 6 hours left in the day, we have a problem. We need to concentrate our votes very soon. If we're making the first day 72 hours (which I would prefer) we'll get some more information and we can make a better educated guess at who we should be lynching, as time isn't so crucial. On that note:

how much time is left in the day? if we're all in support of making the first say 72 hours I say we do it. It'll give us 24 hours more to deduce and think clearly about this.

On September 03 2011 01:56 wherebugsgo wrote:


I second this, I also find Ace's cryptic journal entries a little weird, so I'm fine with lynching him.

Ace you need to contribute or I'm calling you scum. Scum.

#vote Ace

Also where the eff is the voting thread?

On September 02 2011 12:03 wherebugsgo wrote:


Oh shit...

This could be a problem.

So basically, town, we need to be careful of letting mafia resurrect players. As they resurrect they can potentially gain KP for at least a day, even if they resurrect a townie. Thus, they can throw us off AND punish us with extra KP. Any proposed solutions to this dilemma?

I'm thinking it might be beneficial to get the holy priests (if we have one/more) to resurrect immediately before the mafia have a chance to capitalize. But...I'm not really sure because there'll be two dead thanks to the lynches and then probably at least two thanks to the mafia kills.



It's a free check, right?

The only problem is that we need to get information from the coroner eventually. That'll probably be the hardest part, IMO, especially if the coroner dies someday and we don't know it, he'll miss a check.

The coroner basically is the most important role (that we know of) in this game right now.

On September 03 2011 04:59 wherebugsgo wrote:


I just saw this.

The only problem I have with the part I've bolded is that dumb townies do it too. Remember hiro? He did basically this in XLIV and we ended up lynching him because we couldn't tell his dumbtells apart from real scumtells.

I agree with your logic for the most part, but I want to be cautious here.

On September 03 2011 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote:


Fixed; I think this is what Ace meant to say.



I think you're trying too hard here, mate. Not to mention, a lot of your "reads" aren't reads at all, they're just fluff. We need more attitude like you, though!



Put yourself in my shoes as both scum and town, reread, and then tell us all what you see.

I'm a size 8 and a half, btw. (stfu I'm short)

Just as a heads up guys, if this day is ending in 6 hours, I'm going to have very few chances to post outside of within the next 15 minutes. My vote on Ace had almost no effect (I wanted him to actually contribute so I don't have to deal with fucking null tells) and the rest of the town lynches seem to suck, so I propose two:

Drazerk and OriginalName.

Of the two, I prefer to lynch OriginalName, since I just have a feeling on Drazerk and that really isn't enough to go on. Anyway, take a look everybody:

Filter OriginalName

The sentence in green directly contradicts the sentence in red:






SUP

Now, take a look at this, and tell me if you can find any scumtells:

Filter Kenpachi

Hmmm...can't find any scumminess there.

Soooo in recap:

OriginalName
1. Criticizes town for using null-tells as meta
2. Votes someone on a null tell, passing it off as meta.

#unvote
#vote OriginalName

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FINALLY, on the topic of the mechanics of this game: I think we should throw out the idea of ressing lynches. Res the night kills. We can worry about ressing lynches when we have reasonable evidence to suspect that we have lynched an important townie. Otherwise, resurrecting night kills just makes a whole lot more sense. Also, if you are a high priest, please send your res in immediately after the daypost (or night post, whatever the fuck it's called in this nightless game) so that the necro doesn't get priority.

Please seriously consider ON guys, I don't know if I'll be around much to pursue this case much today, as I have class in about 20 minutes for another 4-5 hours.

On September 03 2011 15:49 sandroba wrote:
okay what? What are you actually saying in this post? Why am I scum? And why did you suddenly change your mind about ON? Please ignore chaos13 post and vote for bum and ON.

On September 04 2011 00:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, assuming there are 3 scum, this would mean the mafia kp is 2. 3 died last night. So that means someone died by a way other than mafia kp. This is either the minion shot or the vig shot. I'm going to assume the vig didn't shoot already, but it's possible.

If sinani had been scum, this would reduce the mafia numbers to 2, and thus, their kp to 1. Chances are very very high that sinani was not scum.

On September 04 2011 00:12 Palmar wrote:
yeah, chaos13 is the remaining scum.

gogo

On September 04 2011 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:



Few things here I want to point out. There's a bunch of WIFOM here with respect to bum. For me, personally, looking at everything that's happened today/yesterday and at the vote counts, I give bum a 50/50% shot at flipping mafia. I think sandroba is town, so I value his RB claim (and no one has counter claimed RB) so I think it's very possible that mafia RBed sandroba in order to get fewer votes on bum. Then again, we could very likely have been on the path to lynch 3 townies, so mafia could've just arbitrarily picked sandroba because he appeared to be a definite town, possibly with a power, so they blocked him and created this WIFOM because of sandroba's insistence on lynching bum.

bum=?

Next, look at the other two people who voted varpulis. Kenpachi and red. They voted together on me as well. I'm thinking their alignments are possibly linked. I give them a strong chance to both flip mafia, or both flip town. I'll get back to them in a sec.

The remaining two players I suspect are chaos13 and ON.

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Well, all three of those players are green. I can guarantee you all that.

Chaos here attempting to forge a connection between myself and sandroba somehow. Any decent player will know that no such connection exists. He then immediately follows up with this:

I didn't like the tone of Sandroba's post there, and really didn't like the fact that he asked someone to ignore my post on you, so I decided to make an attack on him to gauge his reaction. It may not have been the most well planned idea, but it was not intended to be interpreted as a full-blown accusation for long. I was going to wait for him to respond and then post explaining my thoughts behind it. As I mentioned, I ended up being busy yesterday.


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When immediately called out on his shitty reasoning, he just says "good point" without explicitly acknowledging that he's dead wrong/being misleading about sinani/me/sandroba. Sinani is not scum.

Then, doesn't actually question Palmar, doesn't defend himself, doesn't do anything to actually substantiate his arguments. Whenever attention goes to chaos, he brushes it off and tries to go under the radar. This happened day 1 when he got two votes as well; he just completely dismissed the votes and tried getting less attention. I figure he probably knew that trying to defend himself would just expose more of his scumminess.

The "good point" was intended to show that I hadn't even realized that mafia couldn't have been lynched yesterday. It required someone shoving the information directly under my nose for me to realize it. Yes, I can be that ignorant sometimes. As for Palmar calling me scum...how was I supposed to defend myself? There was literally nothing there to defend. I could rant forever about how he should bring up an argument, but he didn't vote for me, so there was no point. Notice the difference between my interaction with Ace/Palmar and my interaction with you? You've actually provided something for me to answer, so I'm answering. I'm doing nothing to try to take attention away from myself.

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Shows a blatant disregard for actually reading the thread/being informed.

He then tries to make a case on me for having apparently shitty reasoning/trying to inform the town of game mechanics. So, if he's town, he's completely stupid, which I find rather unlikely. Instead, I find him probably to be mafia, being purposely misleading. No one misses this many things as a dumb townie.

I have a tendency to start games without fully understanding mechanics that don't directly affect me. It's a bad habit, I know, and there's no excuse for it. My accusation on you was genuine. If it was stupid, well so be it. Nothing I can change about that now.

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Here's where he replies to both votes on him day 1, but doesn't really do anything about it, just tries to brush off the votes.

1. He doesn't address Jackal's meta argument. If Jackal had it incorrect, I'd think chaos would've actually responded somehow to it.
2. Chaos acknowledges that Ace has voted him for no reason, but doesn't actually provoke Ace or demand Ace provide reasoning. Just "hello Ace."

He then IMMEDIATELY slips into something else, bringing attention away from those votes on himself:

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So, he votes Varpulis for apparently having a shitty meta argument. I'm taking "for the strongest mta argument I've seen" to be sarcasm.

Here is Varp's filter:

Filter Varpulis-what meta?

Either I'm retarded, or Varp never once used meta to accuse anyone of anything.

On the other hand, this brings up a great question. Why would chaos vote varp for having a shitty meta argument (when, in fact, he had no meta argument whatsoever) but would not call out Jackal's meta argument against himself? Did he not want attention brought to it?

I think so. I think the running theme of chaos13 is "don't bring attention to myself."

Don't believe me? Read his filter. Filter Chaos13 Since I get the vibe you don't want attention, chaos, I'm giving it to you. Bring it on, biatch.

You can look at a lot of games where I start out by harping about spam. In a lot of those I'm town. In a few of them I'm scum. I didn't feel any need to address his argument because it was unsubstantial and I figured he would find a better candidate soon. As for Ace's vote, it's the same deal I explained earlier. From what I'd seen so far, any attempt to get information out of Ace had proven to be less than useful and more than frustrating. There was also no argument for me to defend myself from. In short, there was nothing worth doing.
Why did I then move attention to something else? Well, what's the point of double posting when I can put it all in one? Why did I move my vote? Because it was doing no good on Palmar and it needed to be placed on varp/sinani/bum, who were the three leading candidates at the time. To leave it elsewhere would be anti-town, and there were a few players pressuring (sandroba, I think?) myself and the others with votes elsewhere (much like you're doing now encouraging people to vote ON/bum) to move them to one of those people.
You're a little off on why I voted varp, and perhaps that is my fault for not making it clear enough. It had nothing to do with an argument by Varp, but one against him. That argument can be found here and it was by redFF.

Finally, ON. I called him out after the voting was closed, right before the daypost, for not changing his vote. He threw away his vote on Kenpachi similar to how chaos had thrown his vote on Palmar prior to voting Varpulis. The only difference is that ON was actually around to change his vote but didn't change. He was aware that his vote didn't matter, and his argument was nonexistent. This is why I voted ON with the intention of getting people's attention away from sinani+varp, who were clearly town. In the 6 hours I was gone though, no one actually paid attention to my argument.

He didn't really respond at all to me pointing out that he wasted his vote, and he was even there right before the closure of votes. The problem is that now there is more information to go on and make a case against chaos than there is against ON, since chaos has appeared more scummy in the time that ON has not posted.

Here's where I come back to redff and kenpachi. While I think there's a strong chance these guys are linked, I also think that there exists an opposing link between ON and kenpachi. I can't be sure of this, but this is my gut feeling. If ON is mafia, kenpachi is town, and vice versa.

HOWEVER, this does not rule out the possibility that there are 4 mafia, or at least 3 mafia and some independent role we need to kill anyway. I am most sure of chaos, ON, redff, kenpachi, bum in that order. Things may change as people post more, but for now I really think the only person who is not going to come off that list is chaos, so I'm going to vote him.

##unvote
##vote chaos13.

Also upon reading bum's posts I lean town on him. He's giving me a different vibe than I got in XLIV. It doesn't rule him out of being mafia, just something I feel at this particular juncture.