Sevryn is by far the scummiest. His vote on DB had a ridiculously scummy reason behind it. After he got called out on it he back peddles and claims it was just a pressure vote. And he says he didn't see anything scummy about DB and his only reason for pressure voting was again because of something palmar did it swedish mafia. And then he says he took the vote off not really because he thought db was innocent but he didn't want to get lynched for bandwagoning lol. Sevryn is just lol scum.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 20 2011 06:14 GMT

#372

You are really stretching on a couple points to make me appear scummy foolish. Your meta argument is null at best, you say I don't post with attitude as town yet you provide no examples of me doing it as mafia. My post wasn't a text wall or gibberish I concisely summed up sevryn's scummy actions in a few lines. Your point about me not adding anything new is accurate but I would rather state what convinced me of sevryn being scum than vote and give no reasons.

Your defense of Sevryn is extremely suspect. Your reasons for defending him are he pointed out a stealth vote and he came back to defend himself? Really did you read his defense? He came back posted 4 lines in which he said A) he sheeped palmar to pressure vote someone he didn't find scummy and B) he took his vote off because he was afraid people would lynch him for it. What type of player is more likely to vote for someone they think is innocent and then immediately backtrack once people call them out because they don't want to be lynched, town or mafia? Yet somehow that defense was good enough to alleviate your suspicions......

Sevryn is still by far the best lynch today.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 20 2011 07:07 GMT

#374

On August 20 2011 15:42 Foolishness wrote:

It's more about opportunity cost at this point. If Sevryn is mafia we can expect him to be inactive the rest of today, tonight, and tomorrow if we leave him alone. If he's town he will be active and posting his own thoughts. Half way through tomorrow it should be immediately clear what his role is.

You on the other hand I'm not so sure of.

Ah so it's just that easy if sevryn lurks he is mafia but if he is active he is town. Why ignore all the scummy things he has done already? Instead of addressing any of his actions you are instead just defending him with well we can tell whether he is town or not if we let him live awhile. Why does that reasoning not apply to everyone?

And you aren't sure of what exactly?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 20 2011 23:38 GMT

#532

On August 21 2011 01:41 Palmar wrote:
Where the fuck is Mig, are you scum this game too?

I went to bed broski.

After reading back through everything I actually think chaoser is scummier than sevryn. He spent the start of the day making bland fluff posts giving generic advice to town and followed it up with doing absolutely no scum hunting. For comparison look at his posts day1 and day2 of mafia 39

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644&user=41788.

In 39 chaoser absolutely dominated as town single handedly taking out half the scum team within the first 2 days. In that game he didn't make any fluff posts giving generic advice, he spent all his time actively pressuring people and doing real scum hunting. And now look at his play and his activity this game. It is the polar opposite.

I still think sevryn is scummy but his play is at least similar to his town meta, chaoser is playing completely out of character for his town play and is contributing nothing when he is a very strong player.

Vote: Chaoser

If people don't switch I will go back to sevryn before the deadline.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 20 2011 23:56 GMT

#542

The Vet point for chaoser is accurate but there is a pretty huge difference between being such a dominating force and providing detailed and good scum hunting and his play this game. The main thing to look at is chaoser's motivation. In 39 he ran a gambit where he pressure voted early just to try and get a read on a player. He was actively searching for scum, he was questioning people repeatedly early on. This game he has been completely MIA he asked nav like 2 questions, which he didn't follow up on at all. He is putting 0 effort into helping the town when he very capable.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 21 2011 00:35 GMT

#563

I still think chaoser is the most scummy. Did people read his posts in 39? He is claiming he is busy but if he were busy why does he waste the little time he has on writing fluff posts instead of asking questions and looking for scum like he did in 39?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 21 2011 00:50 GMT

#567

Lynch is definitely better than no lynch. But so no one is suspicious of chaoser besides me/db? Jackal/palmar/supersoft what do you think of him?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 21 2011 01:34 GMT

#607

Meh did you guys see the post foolish quoted? This is rayzor's first ever game if he were mafia would he really put himself out there like that if he knew sevryn was green? Seems to be the opposite of how most new mafia players would play.

I am going to stick with sevryn.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 21 2011 01:36 GMT

#610

On August 21 2011 10:31 Vain wrote:
Ok, i think i'm gonna vote on Rayzorflash. I just don't believe a scum would vote that fast. No, wait scrap that.Sevryn voted as 3rd for DropBear. you can say what you want about his defence but he only started with the "pressure vote" after people asked what he was doing and that counts to me more than anything.

I have no idea what you are saying with this post.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 21 2011 02:23 GMT

#655

On August 21 2011 11:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Sorry Sevryn Pyo is scum

Why is pyo scum?

I still think chaoser is scum.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 22 2011 08:51 GMT

#751

Chaoser you are technically correct but really you are twisting my words around to try and make me appear scummy. Not all meta arguments are the same, you didn't see me disagreeing with other meta arguments foolish had made in the thread. But his meta argument about how my "attitude" was different and therefore mafia was incorrect. He provided no examples of me acting that way as mafia and that attitude hadn't done anything to hurt the town. My meta argument against you was completely different. As town I have seen you dominate and put a ton of effort into scum hunting. This game I see you writing complete fluff posts and providing no analysis while making an excuse for being busy. Anyone can look at your play in mafia 39 and see how different it is compared to this game. Foolishness' meta argument didn't show one way or the other whether I was town and it didn't show how I was harming the town with my play however your play style is a complete 180 from your normal town play and is considerably worse than normal for you.

So instead of providing any real analysis this game you started off with A) writing fluff posts B) voted for me basically just saying yea I agree with foolish then disappeared before the lynch and now C) you are twisting my words around to make me appear scummy when it should be obvious how different my argument was from the one foolish made.

#Vote: chaoser

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 22 2011 08:57 GMT

#753

Super if I am mafia and I was trying to save rayzor why did I even post saying why I was going to keep my vote on sevryn? Why was I putting the effort in to try and get people to switch to chaoser before the end of the day? If I knew sevryn was green and I was mafia I could have just sat back and pretended I wasn't there to avoid suspicion.

You say it was obvious sevryn was green but after reading rayzor's post about being willing to take the blame if sevryn flipped green, sevryn seemed a lot more likely to be mafia. I agree if rayzor is actually red I look very bad but I put my vote on who I thought was most likely to be scum.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 22 2011 09:23 GMT

#759

You know palmar you could actually put the effort in to look at chaoser's past games, I even linked 39 earlier. Instead of just relying on other people to form your opinion for you.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 22 2011 09:24 GMT

#761

He fake claimed dt as a veteran yea.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

August 23 2011 00:19 GMT

#947

My activity this game has been a lot lower than most of my games. I am really burned out on mafia right now. I have played too many games recently and I am going to take a break after this game. I have to force myself just to actually read the thread. It is no excuse for my poor play but it is the truth. So if I am lynched because of it my apologies for sucking.

But is no one else seeing the extremely poor reasoning behind some of the people jumping on my bandwagon?

Jackal - gives no reason whatsoever for voting me

dropbear - First you say you are ok with hiro because he tried to lead the lynch off of sevryn. Wtf I was trying to get people to vote chaoser before the rayzor bandwagon even really got started. And you even agreed with me while I was trying to make it happen. You then proceed to vote for me without giving a single reason.

Varp - Did you even read my post about meta arguments or did you just intentionally ignore the meaning of it? I am not against meta arguments. I used meta arguments to help get you lynched in the last game we played together. I use meta pretty much every game I play. My entire point was foolishness' meta argument was trash and didn't actually show I was scum at all.

Curu - just a pure meta reason

Nobody has defended me at all this game. Has my play really been so scummy this game that if I were mafia not a single one of my team members would be willing to try and save me?

If am lynched because of my poor play it's my own fault but people should take a look at everything surrounding my bandwagon.

Anyway it doesn't appear I have any shot at convincing people to vote chaoser so I will write up a case on who I feel is the next scummiest in the next few minutes.