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InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
August 24 2011 04:41 GMT
#1455
Hello.

I vas very hungry an' well, I couldn't resist! I ate GreYMisT. He was...delicious...to say the least. I suppose I owe this community for taking him away though, so suppose I will take over his duties.
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InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
August 24 2011 04:57 GMT
#1457
Without reading the thread, I can say that Foolishness is scum, because he is not dead.
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InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
August 24 2011 04:58 GMT
#1458
After filtering Foolishness's posts, I can say that he claimed a hit, and a RB.

I take back my previous statement, unless I find conclusive evidence that he is lying.
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InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
August 24 2011 15:54 GMT
#1518
On August 24 2011 11:26 nard wrote:
.. what a dumb hiro is more like it.


On August 24 2011 15:35 BrownBear wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK TOWN


On August 24 2011 15:41 Palmar wrote:
if you think this you're scum or dumb


On August 24 2011 18:07 Palmar wrote:
Every time I tell you idiots someone is town, you go ahead and lynch him.


On August 24 2011 19:21 supersoft wrote:
People like you ruined this game.


On August 24 2011 19:28 supersoft wrote:
You're a joke.
You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough.


Unacceptable. Criticize the play, not the player. Criticizing the player will only make this game emotional, and scare people off. It's anti-town play, and it destroys the environment.

On that note, Palmar:

On August 26 2010 13:07 Ver wrote:
Keep the town on a need to know basis.

This is one of the most important 'principles' of good town play that is violated all too frequently in recent games:

People don't always need to know your role. People never need to know every single thought you have. Nobody needs to respond to every single thing said. Focus on what's important (refer back to the original 3 points). Posting more often means you are spending less time analyzing and rereading, which are two key parts that aren't done nearly enough, and you are making life harder for your fellow townies. If you look at most of the best town performances, these players have a tiny fraction of the posts and dominate the discussion with influence and quality, not quantity.


You post WAY more than you need to. It's not helpful to the town. You've got the mind to scumhunt, I know. You are usually pretty good on your reads too, but you trash the town environment because you post so much. You don't need quantity to convince people. [spoiler]You just need a professor badass picture.[/spolier]
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InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
August 24 2011 18:06 GMT
#1522
On August 25 2011 01:10 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 00:54 InserT_FreQ wrote:
On August 24 2011 11:26 nard wrote:
.. what a dumb hiro is more like it.


On August 24 2011 15:35 BrownBear wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK TOWN


On August 24 2011 15:41 Palmar wrote:
if you think this you're scum or dumb


On August 24 2011 18:07 Palmar wrote:
Every time I tell you idiots someone is town, you go ahead and lynch him.


On August 24 2011 19:21 supersoft wrote:
People like you ruined this game.


On August 24 2011 19:28 supersoft wrote:
You're a joke.
You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough.


Unacceptable. Criticize the play, not the player. Criticizing the player will only make this game emotional, and scare people off. It's anti-town play, and it destroys the environment.


My post was criticizing town play in general, not any specific player. Which was how everyone was reading it until you decided to post this. Don't try to pin that shit on me.


True, it's not yelling at a player, but it's still unhelpful to the town imo, so I threw it up there. My appologies. Speaking of which...

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 24 2011 14:15 Varpulis wrote:
InserT, who are you actually? The fact that you know who foolishness is and why he's expected to be dead by now leads me to believe that you're a smurf.

I apologize in advance if you're not. Welcome to the game! Town is currently a mess, DropBear is an idiot, and scum is most likely laughing their head's off right about now.

I'm going to bed.


[image loading]


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InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
August 24 2011 19:59 GMT
#1534
Palmar: You sound shocked that people are calling you scum for being right. I know you are smart enough to figure it out, so why am I going to explain it to you? Because I think that they are right, and their arguments need to be clarified for the good of all:

Look at it from the mafia's perspective: You have a townie up for lynch. He's ahead in the votes. Perfect, leave him alone, the town will lynch him with or without your help. Then, since you know that he's town, wait till it's too late, then push for someone else. At worst you get a no-lynch, at best it does nothing, and you gain some town cred for trying to save a townie.

The thing is, by defending someone who nobody else is defending you betray extra knowledge. JeeJee did something extremely similar in a mini a while back where OriginalName was up for lynch, and everyone jumped on him. Jeejee defended him hardcore even though the arguments against ON were sound. There was no way that Jeejee could have known that he was town unless he had extra knowledge, and hey look. He turned out to be mafia.

Second, vote-switches take a lot of time. Especially when Europe is asleep. Any sort of vote switch with less than 4-6 hours of time left is going to be impossible to pull off unless there are only a few players left. Starting one with 2 hours left served only to create chaos, and possible townie cred for you. (Obviously that last part didn't work out)

It's important to look like town when you are town. It's not the priority, but it's still important. Starting that vote-switch was bad play.

However, I've seen townies do all of that and then flip town. I think it's bad play but not a strong tell. So moving on from that.

On August 24 2011 19:23 Palmar wrote:
If we have the chance, I'd suggest to our vigilantes to focus on shooting active people tonight. The reason for this is that we severely lack information, so instead of shooting the scummiest lurkers like vigis usually should do, I'd ask you to shoot scummy active people.


Town does NOT lynch/shoot for information. This is not a information hunting game, it's a scum hunting game. People who are active will slip up and be found out eventually. They are the worst possible target for vigs, unless special circumstances permit it. (i.e., They lied about something, accidentally said they were scum/traitor… Big things though)

You say we lack information. We have over 70 pages of information. The only problem is that it's hard to dig through because of certain players excessive posting habits.


I agree with foolishness that it would be strange for you to be this active as mafia, but pushing things like shooting active players is not just bad play, it's scummy. I haven't reached a conclusion one way or the other, because I've not had a chance to filter your posts, but the vig plan is making me thing twice pretty hard about you.
Welcome to earth.
InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
August 24 2011 20:10 GMT
#1535
Heh, on second read, that looks really wishywashy. Let me calrify my stance on a few things.

People saying that palmar is scummy because he is right have something to thier arguments. There IS logic behind it. That being said, I do not hold those arguments to be very strong because I've seen townies do it too. It's something that would make me look at a player more closely, but not assume they are scum.

Calling for vigs on active people is a really bad idea. Don't kill for information. I don't know how that got suggested.




On to scumhunting.

On August 21 2011 08:54 Trotske wrote:
Two hours left in the day I don't think you are going to get a switch from sevryn to chaoser in that time. Lets stick with the lynch we have been going for the past day we don't want a no-lynch because someone forgot to switch their vote back.


First off, that's terrible reasoning. The fact that you have been on him for that long should tell you something about his innocence. Whatever, it's bad logic, but it's what he holds to be true.
On August 21 2011 09:54 Trotske wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 09:52 Navillus wrote:
Dammit I've been busy, but Palmar's right Sev is not scum there was way too little kickback on this vote like 1 person defended him, I'll take a no-lynch over lynching a townie. Bleh I went to sleep at the wrong time ><


Just curious about the reasons behind your vote on BrownBear. you didn't post anything in the thread.

Btw i'm for a vote switch onto razor


An hour later, he is now willing to vote-switch.

Uh...huh. You call out someone else for trying to vote-switch, then say you'd be willing to switch to someone else an HOUR later.

Also, he disappeared after this. Hasn't posted in 4 days? Why isn't he modkilled? + Show Spoiler +
sorry if this betrays my ignorance of the first part of the thread.
Welcome to earth.
InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
August 25 2011 01:10 GMT
#1558
On August 25 2011 08:39 Kurumi wrote:
Hi iGrok *waves*
I just want to see supersoft flip. I need to wait till 4am >_>


Yeah, I'll be interested in his flip, or lack there of. He tied himself to palmar really hard, and in a manner that is not like a townie. Townies are almost always very suspicious, and won't agree with a person, they will agree with an idea. He was just mimicking everything Palmar was saying.
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InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
August 25 2011 03:56 GMT
#1578
Hah! 12hrs to death. GL town!
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