TL Mafia L

On January 17 2012 07:21 hiro protagonist wrote:


This post stuck out at me. The bolded part is what really stands out in this post. Its true. In the games I have played with sand as scum (PTP:I) after day 2, he just gave up for the most part. however, that he says that his scum play is bad is not the case at all. I think sandroba is one of the best day 1 scum players here. He will often go out of his way to do things that scum would never do on day 1, making pining him down as scum later in the game as hard to do. He makes a strong day 1 showing his game plan so he can ride on it for a few cycles as he gets more lazy, to use his own words. So what happened In PYP:I day 1?

*He devises a plan for how town should pick there roles, argues against people trying to put up other plans, and re-works the plan with the obviously townie and eventually Mayor Radfield. This plan adopted for the most part by a lot of townies results in a very strong set of roles for town.

*He get very active in PM land with a group of players that come to control the rest of the game. later on, WBG starts to really tunnel sandroba for being scum, but he can not convenience anyone else that sand is scum a la "look how pro town he is", this despite the fact that for the whole game he did NO SCUM HUNTING. he lives till the end of the game despite mostly giving up after day 2 because of his infiltration of the town circle and there read on him as town.

So far We have many Day 1 similarity's:



Here we have Sand making plans again. as well as budding up to players like protract and BC. Mass claiming Masons in this set up can be argued both ways as to whom it favors. In reality, it depends on how we go about it. These things are not scummy per say, but its how he is going about it that is. His motivations are for insuring his own safety, rather than scum hunting. which brings me to point 2.

Mayoral campaign and lynch

Sandroba wants to be mayor, and sandroba wants to lynch Cyriandor. This is what he says, but his actions say otherwise. Does anyone think sand was trying hard to get elected? Not from where I sit. His "campaign" is full of "Hey guys im good, elect me lawl im drunk!" He was running for mayor but had know intentions of getting elected. This allows him to push his "lynch", which Wont happen because he does not want to get elected. He does a great job of convincing us that Cyriandor is scum with powerful logic: "hes ugly and he smells bad". For added effect, he says it twice. Does anyone think that Sandroba is trying to convince town on his position? Because I can tell you he is not. His Modivation for these post is not one of getting scum lynch, but as a set up should Cyriandor flip later (whitch he knows is scum) to put him in a strong position. If he was town, He would have both tried harder to get elected and pushed Cyriandor harder.

Later in day 1 he sets up alternate lynches as well:


Giving himself an out. not the town Sandroba I know.

*Sandroba's play is consistent with his day 1 scum play from previous games. He has proven he is willing to go out of his way to act very protown, both by pushing plans that can be in towns interest, as well as lightly busing his own teammates.

*Sandroba's Motivations are not to find scum, rather his over all behavior shows self preservation as his primary motivating factor in his posting. This is in direct opposition to what town Sandroba does. Town Sandroba does not have to worry about looking town because he finds scum. Scum Sandroba does, at it reflects in his behavior this game.

*Sandroba is Mafia

##Vote: Sandroba