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Macpo
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Just tell me if you guys feel it's fine or not! If it's fine, then I am in | ||
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 I am checking my internet very 10 minuts to know when it's gonna start . And then I see things... | ||
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/confirm. I am a complete noob in this game, so please be forgiving to my small mistakes here and there! I'll try to share my views on this first day. Sorry if it's a bit clumsy, I am doing my best. 1. concerning the mayor election, I don't know if it's a usual thing, but I feel it's a bad idea to have too many people running for the election... in a sense, this mess is already a success for the mafia, isn't it? So, I would suggest that the persons who don't seem to be so concerned with it just stop running for the election, so that we have only a few candidates left. It doesn't mean there will be more or less scums among the left candidates, but at least, we can look more closely to who they are and clarify things. But maybe that's a bad idea! about who could be a good mayor, I am not so sure right now.(how difficult is it to ground any judgment at the moment! ) I think the main thing is to keep in mind that whoever we elect, we are absolutely not sure of who he really is, even if we convincingly voted for him after some reasonable discussion.So let me give my two cents (not worth more!). I have to say I appreciated the candidacy of Mr Wriggles , who has a clear argumentation and is pleasant to read. Not talking too much, making clear logical points. The only thing I am afraid of is that it may be a trick. Also, the Foolishness Bill murray candidacy sounds too big to be mafia-ish. There are claiming their "alliance" too loud, it would be way too risky for them if they were mafia, as everyone focuses on them. So, paradoxically, I would trust them more (or Bill Murray more precisely) as mayor. So I guess I will vote either Mr Wriggles, or Bill Murray; Mr Wriggles being more rational and precise in his analysis (but maybe it's a game) while Bill Murray is more a safety choice (with our very limited information, I feel it's rational to assume that he can't be mafia). But these are only very limited hypotheses and assumptions. How do you guys feel about that? I am also kind of sad that Echelon tee didn't apply, as I feel I share most of his analyses up to now . except for foolishness maybe. 2. Reading the whole 5 pages of debate, I noticed a few things. First is Cyber_cheese. What's the point of attacking Mr Wriggles from the beginning? that doesn't help for town cohesion at all (even more if it's a "joke"). it just looks like he wants to create a mess. Other people seem to have similar concerns with him, so maybe this is something worth discussing alltogether. So what do you think? Cyber, if maybe, could you say a word about this? To make it clear, it's merely an impression, I don't want to focus too much on you either. In a sense, Cyber is obviously not the only one. I feel that there are many useless agressive posts all around. So how do you guys feel about that? For instance, lthe ast one between Wherebugsgo and palmar, (as Toadesstern remarked): What's the point of being aggressive like that if you are town? Correct me if I am wrong, but I see no other reason for such a behaviour than one of them at least being scum. At the same time WBG's analysis sounds convincing for the moment. Others in similar situations would be nisani for instance. But maybe I am missing things here... Feel free to criticize my analysis, I am here to improve! and all my apologies to the misaccused persons , but from what I read in various guides, we have to go through this to find out real mafia... Macpo | ||
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On January 13 2012 23:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So, I woke up, ate a couple of eggos and read the thread. I'm going to school soon, so this will be brief. Potential Lynch Candidates: Palmar is easy to read as scum, so we should have a decent idea of his alignment by the end of the day, based on his posting and attitude. Of the other mayoral candidates, I don't likes bumatlarge's mayoral post, which is less about why he should be mayor, or how we should play, and more about a list of advice for blues. I get the feeling that he's actually going to drop out of the election before the end of day 1. I also don't like Cyber's posting in general, but I'd probably need to elaborate, and I can't do that right now. Who I'm voting for: The point of the no-campaign campaign, is that you can't hold anyone to anything they say as part of a mayoral campaign. The only promise a mayor can really make and keep, is who they're going to lynch. However, by the time they can actually prove that they'll hold their promise, they're already mayor, and therefore already have the power to do whatever they want. So, my plan is to just play the game, with a secondary focus on the mayoral election. My vote will go on the person who I think is actually playing the game, and who I think is town. I'm not going to vote for the person who made the most promises he can't be held accountable for until he's actually the mayor, or whoever put the most bold green text and pictures in their campaign, and neither should you. Right now, it's likely to go on BC, depending on how he continues to post, and if I like what I see and get a town vibe from him. I'm not at that point yet, however. Hey Mr Wiggles, just a short question : how are you so sure that palmar is scum? palmar sounded a bit agressive, but saying he is easy to read? (I am not asking this with an agressive suspicious tone, just trying to figure things out) Also, what is it in BCs posts that makes you feel he is trustworthy? Thanks! That will help me make my mind. | ||
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On January 14 2012 00:38 kitaman27 wrote: Macpo's first post was rather lackluster. Hopefully he is more confident and less apologetic in the future. . I just feel that being confident in my claims on day 1 is kind of stupid, as there is almost no rational basis for being so. Most of stories up to now, in my opinion, are just random talk with absolutely no base whatsoever. They are just like the 100 players of a lottery feeling confident that they are the one having just picked up the right number. Now, I try a different way, i.e. to gather little pieces of information, and present my perceptions in a constructive way, with the hope that the ongoing debate will create some sort of more rational agreement. Is that so bad and newbish ? just tell me if I am heading the wrong direction... | ||
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Macpo
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Mr Wiggles, a good town, but he just doesn't want to be on the stage too much, so I guess the mayor role doesn't suit him very well. BC: way too unclear and risky for me; he is trying too much stuff, going for a thousand contradictory stuff, taking back what he said and so on. Bill has shown a lot of presence, and has made reasonable analyses, plus he is not afraid. That's enough for me up to now, I think we won't have better than that. To those complaining about me being rational, it's getting obvious that they prefer random one line crap to argumentation. I'll answer back when they'll meet my standards. Also, I changed my mind on Cybercheese, as he opened my eyes on the the BC case. To bill: some people here have NOT posted yet at all!! I feel fine about lynching sandroba, as he acts quite scummy, but I suggest that if you are elected, you lynch someone who has not talked yet. statistics we'll be that it is mafia. | ||
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Basically, I think we kind of neglect all these players, who are basically hiding. I am not saying this 100% scums; some of them are probably really not here. but I also think it's more than 20% scum in there, we should keep this in mind: - Refallen 2 empty posts. - Munk-E 1 empty post. - Brownbear 4 posts, 4lines. - d3_crescentia 3 posts 3 lines. - igabod 4 posts 4 lines. - rtgICEMAN 4 posts, and no clear position. - Maxella 2 posts. Please guys, really get into it and help town; as now you are just very embarrassingly hiding. Until you convincingly do, you are all my favorite scums tells. Also, while going through the filters, I saw the remarkable case of Jayjay, one poster, 10%of the whole thread. and to be honest, only crap in it; far from any rational standard . This annoys me, so I put him on my scummy list. We really need to have more rational stuff to clarify things. like REALLY. | ||
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Ok, I feel I have now to address some critiques which got louder and louder to the point that I am close to being lynched. As far as my friendly tone is concerned, please first have a look at my previous posts in the mafia section, and you will see that I am not "faking" this for the purposes of the game (unless I had foreseen before actually starting the game that it would help being mafia later). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814¤tpage=27 or, in the beginning of this thread, before day 1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=16 For further psychological profiling, if you really want to go that far, have a look at the zerg help me thread in sc2 strategy section. Do you guys remember that it is completely normal to be modest and friendly when you arrive somewhere? Think about it: you get on a forum you don't know anything about, how can you even think about doing this weird shit you all do, like random accusations every 2 seconds? I didn't suspect not doing this would bring me into huge trouble, and that insulting and accusing everyone was the way to go. So I feel it's kind of unfair to make me reproaches in this regard. About lists: what's wrong with lists, BM did a list… nobody complains… I still don't get the point. The truth is, I really don't know how to identify who is mafia. I have read many guides on TL, or even on mafia wiki, but hey! it's a lot of (often contradictory) information. Even the vocabulary is a pain in the ass, as I have to go on mafiawiki every two posts to understand what you are talking about. Now I feel my only chance is to be as transparent as possible. So here I am: my strategy was two sided. 1.I should be honest and rational (the simpler, the better), as the first thing you read in guides is that mafia was always trying to flood/spam/lack of argumentation. So I kind of spoke my mind, and especially shared my uncertainties (only liars want to appear to be certain). I tried to do some constructive stuff, at my skill level, like going through the filter and gather information on who is posting and who is not; instead of saying "=> YOU are guilty", without any kind of evidence as so many did, with the brilliant results we know. I am still not sure why I should give up this attitude, as I feel it's more constructive than lots of other stuff. Some people say I didn't want to take responsibility, but that's precisely being responsible: not to attack without any kind of reason. Not to mention the fact that I was one of the first to vote, for Bill Murray (who so nicely now wants to kill me). 2. Also, I definitely tried to make friends so that we can back up each other in case we were under attack (like Mr Wiggles and Echelon toe); I take that from my experience of previous games where it is essential (for those knowing Junta). Maybe it's a bit clumsy, it obviously didn't work, but hey! can you even call a piece of argument against me? But now, because of all this, I feel badly trapped! So I beg you kindly: don't lynch me! If there is any other evidence or question I can answer to, in order to prove my innocence, just let me know. But please (and I don't want to be excessive, but I am afraid it's gonna end up like that) don't make a stalinian trial like you seem to do all the time: "YOU ARE guilty Macpo - No no I am not? I didn't do anything, I wasn't even there! - WHY do you even defend yourself, if you are not guilty??? YOU ARE guilty! As a sidenote, let me give my case against jayjay, because I don't give up on scumhunting! 1. as I said yesterday, he constantly spammed all around to say empty things. A lot. changing his mind very often, and so on. 2. he asked for mass mason claim, he could be looking for blue roles. The most funny part is him attacking Sandroba a couple of posts later for doing the same thing. 3. last but not least, he took part in the lynch of Palmar. [QUOTE]On January 14 2012 02:30 Jayjay54 wrote: " 3) Palmar. To quote Entourage: “E doesn’t talk”. He made some one liners, but compared to TL-Mafia 48 (I believe…) it’s just nothing. One can see why you wouldn’t go for the mayor after this trouble. Still, this is very little which could well mean that he is blue and not try to get spotlighted or just what some guys have been posting, that he’s mafia and doesn’t really care at all. Needs more posts to be computed." 4. true he voted for mattchew before he got modkilled, but this could just be the opportunity of his scumlife. | ||
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