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On January 11 2012 16:59 prplhz wrote: TL Mafia Limbo I like this. Motion to confirm "L" stands for Limbo? :D | ||
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RE: BloodyC0bbler I was going to vote for you're mayoral campaign, and than the Mason claim post came out. The current problem I have with it is this. You laid out a lot of scenarios in the following posts explaining what would happen if you turned out flipping either Red Mason or Blue mason, and possible actions that you would have taken along responding to each particular path. My problem is that if you are elected Mayor, the DT is unable to check you, confirming you're Blue/Red alignment. I don't think you would be the Godfather, simply because mafia putting out the Godfather so early would hurt them more than help them. I'm not sure what the thought was behind claiming Mason in the first place however, since I think BC was the leading runner in the Mayor campaign. I'm not sure what to think about it thus far. RE: Macpo Why are you pointing out that you are such a newb? In the post I recall, you really try to drive home the fact that you are a newb and that you wish people pardon you're small mistakes! Take responsibility for you're actions. I feel that you are being wishy-washy. Don't be wishy-washy. RE: Meapek I agree with you're sentiments on Palmar. I also tend to favor you're thoughts that people saying Palmar is scummy as Scummy play. I recall the game Election Mafia, and after reading the Mafia QT after the game, where the mafia didn't want to let Arctocod get an elected role for any reason. I find it suitable that, since Palmar's townplay is so vaunted, they want him ousted as soon as possible. What better way for the scumteam to get him out than a miss-lynch D1? | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote: [/b]I am running for Mayor. I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain. I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught. This is logic. Why should we vote you if you are bad? A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues. I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00). The standard obligatory "I suck at scum" I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00) Not selling me, Mattchew. You are explaining reasons why we should vote for you here. But before that, you admit that you aren't the best town player, and that the "scum wouldn't pick you because you're not a good listener." So if you aren't the best town player, why would you even want to be put in as mayor? Obviously the mayor role was designed to have a strong scum-hunting town player since they have an insta-lynch, and they have the protection of the bodyguard's/knowledge of the who bodyguard's are. A. Than you say you are confirmed town. How are you confirmed town? Claiming that you mason'd someone is hardly the right way. B. This is applied to anyone that is placed into the Mayor position, save the mason ability. I don't see how it's that pertinent. C. So you basically are a Mayor with a veteran coach, but than say you aren't going to take their advice. I would much rather have a Mayor in office that is transparent about decisions, and not talking behind closed doors. Why do you feel these players are scum? I personally would like to hear back from Macpo before I make any decisions on his alignment, although, he hasn't said anything since I brought him up earlier. I have never played with Foolishness before, but from what I understand, he is a strong townie player. I don't necessarily understand the supporting two players so abruptly, seemingly out of nowhere, but I guess that it comes from partial meta and partial private convo's - which, I think, should be at least brought to the front. For the mayoral campaign, I originally like the BC, but I feel that after his claim, i'm not sure - i'm quite confused on the matter. I don't think a mafia player would play the card he did, but I don't want to pretend I know why a town player would do it either. The jury is still out on who I want to vote for for Mayor. RE: Blahz0r I didn't see a post from you this entire game, but you decided to vote for Viscera in the voting thread without saying anything in the actual game. Just wondering why? | ||
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Damn, posted without refresh. Reading now. | ||
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There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote: /confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CC Scum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM) I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nuke Another campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BM Seems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BC He is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba "I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VE I think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me. Meapak The second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote: You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player. You're less of a risk of flipping scum? Wouldn't you know that you were at no risk of flipping scum? | ||
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I am a Town Mason. Reasons I didn't role-claim initially: - I was waiting to see if it was a town majority whether the Mason's should reveal or not. I decided against it because it seemed that too many people we're between claiming and ignoring the Mason's. - I felt that if I Buddied with someone, and they thought I was legitimately scum, or at least anti-town, I wouldn't hear any response from them, and they could just oust me in the town forum. VE just did that. Why I chose VisceraEyes: - I had a town-read from him. I felt that my town-read on him was solid enough to be able to communicate with him. - I believe in his scum-hunting abilities. I usually don't preach meta-based choices, but since the only other game I played with him was Election, and he killed a mafia Godfather the first day he was subbed in, I decided for him. I wanted to have someone to bounce idea off of. I felt VE would be a good choice. Where I will go from here: - I will still extend a Mason link with a town read each cycle. The purpose of it will be to continue with that extra analytic mindset, even if the other person decides not to utilize it. My feeling on it - if they decide to talk, more power to them. If not, fuck it. There is no point in letting the power go to waste. Current Reads: RE: Palmar - I don't think Palmar is a good D1 Lynch. He's too powerful a town player to just cut off Day1, and I think it might be a gambit to survive until Day2 and get some reads on people. Even so, he is probably compiling a list right now on scumreads ect. ect. I don't believe in meta, anyway, since I don't have solid meta on pretty much anyone in this game (MAYBE Sheth. Maybe.) I'd rather judge play based on how people interact in the game we are in now, rather than in a game we played before. RE: Foolishness Don't understand the flip-flop from one 'townie' to the other, promoting their gambit for mayor, when there are more obvious, strong choices as who could influence the town. Why would you settle for "ok" candidate when you can have the "great" candidate. Doesn't make sense. Especially when Foolishness said in the PM "I'm not interested in Mayor." It's almost like they will live until tomorrow. Mason Logs [read from bottom to top]: + Show Spoiler + (From VE to myself) That's up to you. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From Jitsu: Yeah. I don't really know where to jump in TBH. I'm in the middle of typing up a post on Mattchew right now, but meh. If you want to out me, I would actually rather do it myself. I guess the good part is that now you have given me a more town read than before. -.- Hide nested quote - __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From VisceraEyes: You're not outted. Just need advice on how to proceed. But I like how you're clearly active-lurking in-thread. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From Jitsu: ... Sigh. Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'm trying to figure out what I think of BC/Protract. I think one of Foolish/Matt is scum. Beyond that, I need more time and I'm about to go to sleep. We'll talk more soon. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From Jitsu: Right. Also, the only other game I played with you, you killed the Godfather in one day, I believe. So those two combined - yeah, townie read, blah blah. Anyways. I think Palmar should definitly not be a Day One lynch. I'm not really sure if he is town or not, but I think he also might be trying to get by Day One without being shot by the mafia. That's why so many people are jumping on him. My read on Foolishness. Hmmm. Again, I don't have any prior gaming experience from him, so I don't know how his meta-town works. But in one day, he jumps from promoting two possible candidates for mayor (one of which is a newbie town, the other who is despised, I believe, by many players) and than says something along the lines of "I'm not interested in mayor today." Kinda sounds like he will expect to live until tomorrow. Jury is still out on the other players. I'm not too sure on BC at all right now. I liked his campaign, but still haven't read Protact's analysis. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From VisceraEyes: Well, I guess I'd like some of your reads. You've got a townie read on me, but if you're scum you'd already know that. Can I assume that you've got a scum-read on Foolishness? Reply __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (To VE from myself) Sup son. As the hosts probably told you, I am another Mason. Yeah, i'm reading it. Posted awhile back about how it's all nonsense. It's almost like he's trying to brutally force himself into the position. I haven't played with him, but I would like to think that Foolishness wouldn't want to put a newb player into a power position, especially with the ability to activate a lynch based on his word. I don't like it. Not help with anything in particular, at least not now. I just have a townie vibe from you so wanted to open a line of communication if you wanted to bounce ideas/communicate. Obviously this doesn't exonerate me, or you, from being red. Thought I would at least shoot it off to one of the more vocal players/townie-leaning players at this moment. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ (From VE to myself) Sup bro? Are you reading this nonsense about Mattchew thinking he's "confirmed town"? Unreal. Can I help you with something? | ||
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(1/15 2:52) (From VE to myself) That's up to you. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/15 2:51) Original Message From Jitsu: Yeah. I don't really know where to jump in TBH. I'm in the middle of typing up a post on Mattchew right now, but meh. If you want to out me, I would actually rather do it myself. I guess the good part is that now you have given me a more town read than before. -.- Hide nested quote - __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/15 2:44) Original Message From VisceraEyes: You're not outted. Just need advice on how to proceed. But I like how you're clearly active-lurking in-thread. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/15 2:36) Original Message From Jitsu: ... Sigh. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/14 15:45) Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'm trying to figure out what I think of BC/Protract. I think one of Foolish/Matt is scum. Beyond that, I need more time and I'm about to go to sleep. We'll talk more soon. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/14 14:54) Original Message From Jitsu: Right. Also, the only other game I played with you, you killed the Godfather in one day, I believe. So those two combined - yeah, townie read, blah blah. Anyways. I think Palmar should definitly not be a Day One lynch. I'm not really sure if he is town or not, but I think he also might be trying to get by Day One without being shot by the mafia. That's why so many people are jumping on him. My read on Foolishness. Hmmm. Again, I don't have any prior gaming experience from him, so I don't know how his meta-town works. But in one day, he jumps from promoting two possible candidates for mayor (one of which is a newbie town, the other who is despised, I believe, by many players) and than says something along the lines of "I'm not interested in mayor today." Kinda sounds like he will expect to live until tomorrow. Jury is still out on the other players. I'm not too sure on BC at all right now. I liked his campaign, but still haven't read Protact's analysis. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/14 14:32) Original Message From VisceraEyes: Well, I guess I'd like some of your reads. You've got a townie read on me, but if you're scum you'd already know that. Can I assume that you've got a scum-read on Foolishness? Reply __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (To VE from myself) (1/14 12:37) Sup son. As the hosts probably told you, I am another Mason. Yeah, i'm reading it. Posted awhile back about how it's all nonsense. It's almost like he's trying to brutally force himself into the position. I haven't played with him, but I would like to think that Foolishness wouldn't want to put a newb player into a power position, especially with the ability to activate a lynch based on his word. I don't like it. Not help with anything in particular, at least not now. I just have a townie vibe from you so wanted to open a line of communication if you wanted to bounce ideas/communicate. Obviously this doesn't exonerate me, or you, from being red. Thought I would at least shoot it off to one of the more vocal players/townie-leaning players at this moment. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ (From VE to myself) (1/14 12:31) Sup bro? Are you reading this nonsense about Mattchew thinking he's "confirmed town"? Unreal. Can I help you with something? Edit'd into the original. Again, read bottom to top. The late time at which I started the conversation can also be explained. I PM'd both host and co-host to let them know that I wanted to link with VE. I didn't want to start PMing until I had received confirmation. RE: Sheth - I'm pretty sure you posted that because of me. VE had said in his "Town Jack" claim that I had mason'd with him. If I didn't claim at that point, I think it would have looked worse than better. RE: Foolish Understandable. I would just assume that you would want to up you're chances of living until the next day, with the innate survival of the mayor. I got ya. [On a side note, in the PM's, I referred to everyone as a generic male. If you are female, I'm sorry. I didn't mean any disrespect.] | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:59 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Am I correct in assuming those time stamps are KST? You should, yes. It's still the 14th where I live. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy shit could people stop blue claiming? If you are blue I don't care if you think you should claim. You shouldn't and if you do you're retarded. Moving on, I am still running for mayor and I will not be withdrawing because aside from BC I do not like any of the current candidates. My lynch would be GGQ. Foolishness in your last post you said you had done an analysis on someone. Please refresh my memory who this was. Also wtf is up with the triple vote on WBG? That look suspicious as hell and I'm not going near that with a 10 foot pole. Wasn't WBG pretty anti-Palmar in anyway and wanted him dead? Than as Palmar starts posting, the votes for WBG blow up. 10 foot pole indeed. | ||
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I am leaning towards L right now. Not sure about Protact. | ||
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On January 15 2012 10:33 Munk-E wrote: Since there are 3 people currently in the running for mayor, (BM, BC and protac) It seems obvious that the mafia would all throw thier support behind one. For many reasons already stated several times, BC seems to be that person, and since we wouldn't want him to hold either position, I am going to vote for bill murray, because he is in danger of losing to BC most. I think both BC and protac are likely town, so those two would be the best two to hold positions, so I will vote BM to keep BC from taking the position of sherrif. ##vote Bill Murray. o.0 | ||
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There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves... kingjames01 BrownBear sandroba igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why) Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why) Protactinium rtgICEMAN Maxella Replacements are being sought after, though I'm sensing modkills. Hmmm. | ||
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Marry me. | ||
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On January 16 2012 07:55 supersoft wrote: pff your plan won't happen. I don't have to try harder. What the hell are you thinking? Do you think it's effective if BC discusses his reads with jitsu? What the shit? Thanks bro. -.- Well, I somewhat like the idea of the Mason circle, and if the other mason's agreed to it, I will more than likely go along with it as well to secure the integrity of the system. I would personally leave it up to whomever the Mason chooses to buddy up with, though. If the person that the mason is PM'ing feels that he is being too Scummy, than out him in chat and let the other players decide as well. The person being PM'd can post the logs of the chat, and if the Mason is town and notices that the PM logs were changed, he can post his as well. At that point, I would say both players get killed/lynched. If one person is editing a PM to destroy credibility of the mason he is PMing, I don't see that as particularity pro-town play. I think this is exemplified with pretty much everyone that has been ousted as a Mason so far. So, TL;DR version: Mason A and Player B mason. Player B might think that Mason A is scum. Both players post logs. Town decides for themselves. If edits occur, I think it would indicate one of the two players being mafia. I don't think a Mafia for a Mason would be a good trade, so the likelihood of that happening doesn't seem very beneficial from a scum point of view. Still gives adequate transparency if it's required of the town. RE: Macpo - I had similar feelings of Macpo as before. I feel that he is trying to drive home his newb-play early so that he wouldn't be held responsible for his calls/choices later in the game. So easy to say "Sorry guys, i'm new!" I haven't been able to post my scum tells last post, here they are. Basically, I think we kind of neglect all these players, who are basically hiding. I am not saying this 100% scums; some of them are probably really not here. but I also think it's more than 20% scum in there, we should keep this in mind: - Refallen 2 empty posts. - Munk-E 1 empty post. - Brownbear 4 posts, 4lines. - d3_crescentia 3 posts 3 lines. - igabod 4 posts 4 lines. - rtgICEMAN 4 posts, and no clear position. - Maxella 2 posts. Things like this. He wasn't able to post his scum tells, so when he does, they are all lurkers. So none of the his scum-leaning players have more than 4 posts. Macpo's last post was 'meh,' but i'm still having reservations. Not sure if it's just newbie play or not. But I also have shitty scum reads, I guess. | ||
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On January 16 2012 08:45 Nisani201 wrote: @Jitsu, if logs are given to the town, why not just have the whole conversation in the thread? That seems pointless. Because it still allows the mason's to form a network of communication, and still holds both players responsible for things said in PM's, rather than "Shit, a break formed in the circle of Mason's. Shut it down." | ||
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