First, hai guys. Busy weekend, family's in town, yadda yadda yadda.

Second, what. The. Fuck. This is beyond bad. There's a reason a lot of people aren't contributing: it's almost impossible to contribute to this mess without making it worse. I propose that everyone simply stops posting so damn much, and tries to consolidate what would normally be 3 posts down to 1, so that there's a lot less fluff for everybody to digest whenever they want to figure something out or make a point.

I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot. I think Kurumi's been detrimental to the town, and I think he knows this. He's done a huge part in establishing the terrible atmosphere we've currently got, and his actions have made it impossible to just ignore the spam he's throwing around. He's gone straight to the chainsaw defense when people call him out, and claimed one of the few roles that would be worth playing risky to keep around. Pandain just made one crucial mistake: even if he's not roleplaying Bill Murray, kurumi is still kurumi. He's still gonna spew nonsensical BS. Personally, I would've rather he just be shot, as it still covers the VI possibility and saves us from any future thread-destroying shenanigans from that particular source.

I also find it hard to buy that the Qatol personality would be mafia-aligned, no matter how much everyone says personality != alignment. And since nobody's counter-claimed him, I'm inclined to believe Pandain is both Qatol and town-aligned.

On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.

Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.

##Vote: Kavdragon

This is an interesting way to interpret kav's actions. I'm not sure I agree with it, though. You say that he's trying to divert our actions. I ask, what exactly is he trying to divert us from? Considering how aimless this game has been, Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case.

Node

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August 14 2011 19:37 GMT

#497

Out of curiosity, have you confirmed that your powers are actually gone, Kurumi?

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August 15 2011 00:56 GMT

#614

All right, here's my read on things.

- I don't think Kav is scum. He's right that he's contributed more in his "letters" than they immediately let on. Also, I'm just plain curious about Wilson. Bad reason, I know, but I can't resist a good mystery.

- I'm not sure about aidnai being scum.

- I'm really really iffy about VisceraEyes. It's already been stated that he's been flip-floppy and non-commital, giving the Kav-train the little push it might take to eventually bring it to a lynch. And beyond that, Curu's wacky post-restriction-y defense of him is very odd. Just for a demonstration: Hey Curu! I think VisceraEyes is scum!

- I would like to hear what flamewheel is thinking right now. Dude's way too quiet.

So for now, I'm sticking my vote on VisceraEyes, but if it comes down to it I'll vote aidnai because I'd like to see a lynch happen today.

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August 15 2011 20:15 GMT

#722

Ghrur, I was actually coming to similar conclusions on tnkted. I'm liking the way you think.

Do you even understand what and how town atmosphere works? Spamming doesn't generate a hostile town atmosphere in and of itself; all it does is make it more difficult for people to read the thread.

/facepalm

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August 16 2011 20:11 GMT

#920

I can confirm that VisceraEyes is Coagulation, and I also feel he's suspicious as hell. That's where I'll put my vote for now. Plus, if Curu's role / restriction is what I think it is... lol.

Also, just for the record (but mostly for LSB), I am not scum.

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August 17 2011 01:51 GMT

#980

I like how VE is trying to spin me knowing the name of his character into me being scum. How'd you come up with that one? No, my knowledge is independent. (no, that doesn't mean third party)

Still, after some thought I'm willing to let VE slide for the chance to lynch Pandain. He's nullified the (quite powerful) abilities of two players he thought were town with flimsy reasoning. His power in and of itself is actually pretty scummy (roleblocking is a town role since when?), and as much as I dislike the thought of Qatol being mafia, I have to accept that if BM of all people was town Qatol could be mafia. I'm undecided on bum, but I can't in good conscience allow Pandain to continue... whatever it is he's doing.

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August 17 2011 03:28 GMT

#992

On August 17 2011 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:

Show nested quote +

Role.

Bullshit.

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August 19 2011 16:20 GMT

#1361

It's worth noting that Palmar was in the "PM circle" with VE (who I still think is scum) and Jackal (who has been conspicuously quiet and non-opinionated lately).

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August 19 2011 16:39 GMT

#1364

*shrug* It was VE saying he talked to both of you. My thinking was he just needed an excuse to say he was discussing things with people and let slip who his scumbuddies were.

Upon re-reading your posts the disconnect looks genuine, so I'll lay off for the time being.

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August 22 2011 00:59 GMT

#1519

I'm still not scum, I've just recently discovered this thing known as "job" that makes mafia rather difficult. I still think VE is scum, especially when you look at how he tried to defend palmar over the course of the last day. ("sensitive information" whoooo)

And yeah, I changed my mind on Pandain. That's mainly because I agreed with his day 1 action, but not his day 2. Fool me once, shame on you, etc etc. Also, notice how he didn't "ban" anybody day 3? Notice how there was nobody exceedingly "obvious" to ban? If he was town, don't you think he might ban somebody like BC or myself? What has Pandain contributed other than these misbegotten bans?

I've also got a theory that all the mafia "staff" (incognito, flamewheel... qatol!?) are scum, but that's too iffy to lynch on.

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August 23 2011 20:05 GMT

#1691

I didn't have any good opportunities to make a graph.

There weren't any really contentious claims or scenarios, with maybe the exception of bum vs pandain, but that didn't really lend itself to a graph, since there were like two possibilities. Sorry chaoser. Also, my role blew -- it's not like anybody's going to lie about their name, and there's not much knowledge you can get from the name itself. Maybe it'll hint at the role (not reliably, though), but even then it doesn't mean much.

Also, sorry for the inactivity. I should've tried harder to get Pandain lynched.