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Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 01 2011 07:54 GMT
#20
/in
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 01 2011 18:52 GMT
#74
/confirm
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 02 2011 01:09 GMT
#197
I'm fine with sandrobas plan, I've tried one other pm game where everyone mass claimed to a townie day one, and it would have worked great if godfather didnt get dt chcked night one and considered confirmed town, so the scum team had the role list by day 2 (<3 drh). I'd prefer if we pushed the day vig hit to closer to deadline for more discussion though.

Biggest problem however is whether we have a day vig or not. Could the people who still havent commented on it do so? The sooner we know if the majority of the town agrees with the plan the sooner we can focus on who to kill/lynch.
Bartundar
Barundar
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Denmark1582 Posts
August 02 2011 06:53 GMT
#213
In the past few games we've been less reliant on blue roles and won, you want to abuse PMs and the assumption we have such roles to win, this is just going backwards. The fact that you came up with a plan is fine, but you need to come to the realization it is in most cases unrealistic.

Are you against it because you are against relying on blue roles, or because of the setup?
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 02 2011 06:54 GMT
#214
ebwodp:

Are you against the plan because it is relying on blue roles, or because of the setup?
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 02 2011 09:15 GMT
#219
A rule of thump is blue #=mafia #, ie. 4 blues in this setup. There is 3 vigi types in the game, so I'm guessing we have at least one vigi type of role. There is a special mechanic regarding veterans/roleblockers, so I'm guessing there is at least one of those as well. Rest is a bit more vague, could be a heavy vigi setup, or could be a vigi and a medic. In any case, even normal vigi's are some of the easiest to confirm roles when we know the mafia KP, so a mass claim should be possible.

I like syllogism's post above me though, a shot tomorrow is more likely to hit mafia.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 02 2011 18:36 GMT
#243
JeeJee the fact that YM has one useless post sais more about YM than about redFF's innocence, it's hardly an argument either way.

Regarding the plan i don't think we have a majority for using a vigi shot day one, so vigi shouldn't claim just yet.
Bartundar
Barundar
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Denmark1582 Posts
August 02 2011 18:46 GMT
#245
You are starting to sound like you did in mafia xxxviii DrH I guess thats a good thing.
Bartundar
Barundar
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Denmark1582 Posts
August 03 2011 10:47 GMT
#363
I'm suspicious of curu because of this question and answer:

On August 02 2011 07:23 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 07:14 Curu wrote:
BLU Soldier
You don't care unless area is maggot free. You will blast them maggots when the sun is blazing hot!
Day Vigi with two shots. Type ##Rocket Player in the thread to use Your ability.

Kurumi/Palmar, when this guy shoots, does it get announced in thread regardless if the hit player dies or not?

There is no notification.


The purpose of the question is to figure out if mafia can fake a vigi+veteran combo, be considered confirmed town, and proceed to abuse the suggested plan. It's good thinking and doesn't say anything of his alignment as such. The problem is he asks the question, and then keeps it's significance to himself. As I see it a townie who got the idea would proceed to warn the town about it, not keep it to himself.
Bartundar
Barundar
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Denmark1582 Posts
August 03 2011 19:43 GMT
#406
Activity level has been so low all day, and varpulis defense so bad, that I don't think he can be scum. Of luci drazek and JeeJee, JeeJee seems like the scummiest to me.

#Vote JeeJee
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 03 2011 22:48 GMT
#436
Pleasantly surprised, gj guys .
Bartundar
Barundar
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Denmark1582 Posts
August 04 2011 00:33 GMT
#471
On August 04 2011 09:27 redFF wrote:
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On August 04 2011 09:21 Curu wrote:
I'd prefer the Vig on JeeJee/Munk-E and the DT on BC. Medic on Mig.

why medic on mig? A medic on ON or DrH is wayy better.

Mig was the one starting the case on varpulis, posting the initial analysis and pressuring him through the day. I consider ON and DrH town as well though. As a side note Trotske is most likely town based on Varpulis' FoS.

I wouldn't DT check JeeJee or BC, if mafia they are most likely to be the godfather.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 04 2011 01:19 GMT
#481
On August 04 2011 10:06 redFF wrote:
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On August 04 2011 09:33 Barundar wrote:
On August 04 2011 09:27 redFF wrote:
On August 04 2011 09:21 Curu wrote:
I'd prefer the Vig on JeeJee/Munk-E and the DT on BC. Medic on Mig.

why medic on mig? A medic on ON or DrH is wayy better.

Mig was the one starting the case on varpulis, posting the initial analysis and pressuring him through the day. I consider ON and DrH town as well though. As a side note Trotske is most likely town based on Varpulis' FoS.

I wouldn't DT check JeeJee or BC, if mafia they are most likely to be the godfather.

For all we know Varp knew he was getting lynched so decided to attack trotske and they could be both scum? Also please read the thread gf is random.

He posted the FoS before there was a case against him, it was one of the cardinal points in the initial analysis. Please read thread?

And yeah I know it says random, but every host messes around with the rolls for balance.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 05 2011 09:14 GMT
#610
Mig is pretty clear town, he was already by night time for leading the varp lynch, and the missing kp in the day post just adds to that. I don't see a reason not to claim to him.

For today I'd prefer to lynch out one of JeeJee and chaos13, simply because I don't think every single scum banded on the varp lynch.

JeeJee and chaos13 where both on the Drazerk wagon, which was the most obvious attempt of a vote switch to save varp. BC was on Drazerk as well, but his posting comes across a lot more town like for me.

I agree with BC's case that JeeJee has failed to take hard stances, he has been defending players instead of pressuring, and now he downplay his ability as town. chaos13 kept seemingly refusing to place his vote on varp, until he suddenly realised Drazerk's meta didn't fit his scum play. It took him 48 minutes to change his mind.

For now,
##Vote JeeJee
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 05 2011 13:25 GMT
#616
^at least two of your questions are answered in the OP:
On August 01 2011 09:48 Kurumi wrote:
Three Legged Electrosapper Robot
You're newly created abomination of RED. Thanks to all improvements, You can defy all laws of normal game, thus making classes useless!
Roleblocker, roleblocks during the night, duh! Every class is notified about roleblock! Cancels Heavy's life!

BLU Medic
Archimedies and You are the greatest doctor team of all! Thanks to Your amazing ZE inventions You can bring Your teamnates from the worst injury!
Just a Medic. Chooses to protect one person every night, thus giving "additional" life for that night. Player, if hit will be notified of protect, Medic won't.

Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 05 2011 21:17 GMT
#663
On August 06 2011 04:51 Sevryn wrote:
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On August 06 2011 03:44 Mig wrote:
I was going to wait for chaos and sevryn to show up before I posted this but half way through and they are still awol so gonna post it so everyone can discuss.

One of JeeJee/Bc is pretty much guaranteed scum.

DrH, BC, JeeJee have all claimed medic to me. I talked with BC, ON and DrH who have experience hosting and the odds that there are 3 medics 1 vet in a 20 man game, even with 2 rbers, is virtually none. I trust DrH so I am fairly confident he is telling me the truth. So we can almost guarantee that one of BC/JeeJee is lying. The case against JeeJee is much stronger I believe. He A) defended Varp right after I made the first case against him B) he put virtually 0 effort into contributing analysis and scum hunting, yet when people call him out he comes in and defends himself strongly. So the current plan should be to lynch JeeJee and if he flips red we can try to work out the best plan for the medics, probably something like one defends me one defends the other medic.

Assuming JeeJee flips red then the other 2 scum are very likely between YM/Chaos/Sevryn/Lucid

I'm sorry I'm catching up on the thread how am I connected to these people?

Sevrin the problem is you are the most invisible poster in the thread, I can't remember anything of your stances or posts, neither good or bad. If you are town you should try and be more active and involved.

For an example you could look into YM and chaos13?
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 06 2011 16:19 GMT
#698
Munk-E is in danger of getting modkilled. Everyone else is fine.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 06 2011 16:25 GMT
#699
On August 07 2011 01:19 Barundar wrote:
Munk-E is in danger of getting modkilled. Everyone else is fine.

Scratch that. Lucidity haven't voted. redFF's vote is not counted in Kurumi's vote count either. Maybe repost it with bold?
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 06 2011 21:10 GMT
#721
Phew, waiting was killing me . Looks like we got this game in the bag.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 06 2011 21:25 GMT
#734
On August 07 2011 06:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i dont wanna defend myself too much but can i just say that when people were casting all kinds of doubt on the varp lynch and calling it bad (jeejee immediately saying there was no reason for it on day 2) i was the one who really pushed it in irc. it was large parts a gut read but my feeling was strong. there was a golden opportunity to switch onto drazerk or lucidity on day 1 and knowing my ability to get town to stupidly follow whatever i say, if i were scum i guarantee varpulis would not have been lynched on the first day lol

I felt like an idiot for not voting varp, but at least I got my vote on gf ^^
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