EPTSo unless specified otherwise, all night actions that can be used any or every night, can be used at night 0 like any other night.
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So unless specified otherwise, all night actions that can be used any or every night, can be used at night 0 like any other night. | ||
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Reading the thread. Hide your cops, cover your moles. Palmar is back. | ||
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The town is lost in disarray, confusion and fear, but no longer do you have to suffer from this, as your savior has arrived. Since I missed all the fun on discussing policies, I'll chime in on them a bit. Vigs should shoot first night, and every night there after. I don't care if this means the game is shorter, it means that higher percentage of the kills are town kills, and thus in effect reducing the number of mafia kills. As any vig hit is guaranteed not to hit one townie, it has a slightly higher chance of success than a lynch. So fire away my friends! Any people pushing for no lynches, or no shooting are not my friends. Also, deconduo is probably scum. I suggest we either lynch him or ask for a specific kill target or something. I also think Kurumi is scum, but I guess that can wait a bit. | ||
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##Vote: Radfield | ||
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Radfield has posted really obvious, but valid pro-town stuff, much of which hardly needed to be said. He is going fanatically after inactives and lurkers, but hasn't actually bothered to hop in and stick a vote on one of them. He has basically floated in the thread, stating the obvious without conclusions or actually pointing a finger at someone. Also, no lynching is terrible and should not happen. Here is a simple explanation Lynch: Can hit mafia or town MafKill: Can only hit town VigiKill: Can hit mafia or town (except the vig himself) Unless the vigis are retarded (unlikely, since I'm not one) then they should be shooting every night, and we should be lynching every night, cause we want as many kills as possible to be "our" kills and not the mafia kills. | ||
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Now go, find me an inactive and tell us why we should lynch him. | ||
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On June 28 2011 13:11 LSB wrote: Uhh... Just saying... I'm not trying to say anything about either's alignment, it's a test to vertify whether or not deconduo's claim holds up. Certainly if we wake up tomorrow and Fishball and Caller are both killed, deconduo seems a bit more believable. If tomorrow only one person is killed, well something fishy went on and deconduo is a bit less believable. As for analyzing I'm getting a null read on Fishy, and deconduo I'm bothered by his confidance in his KP. Now, I don't like deconduo more than the rest of you, but I can't let bad ideas slip by. You see, deconduo claims to be a vigilante. This means that we have two options that make sense. a) We don't believe him and lynch him for roleclaiming b) We believe him and hope he uses his KP well. I don't know how much people actually bother to read everything brought up, but controlling vigi shots when we have no idea who it is controlling them doesn't make any sense to me at all. That way the mafia can influence the choice of targets, and thus take away the unique aspect of vigi shots that they are more likely (by a little but) than any other kill in the game to hit mafia, from a purely statistical point of view. So what's it going to be? We're not directing Dec's shot, so either we let him live and make his own decisions, or we just hang him. I have no problems with simply killing him. | ||
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On June 28 2011 19:11 Radfield wrote: I do. Lynching Decon is a bad move. He's active, opinionated, and pushing his views. Players like that are bad Day 1 lynches. And saying things like: "He's 75% green but lets kill him" is not something that mafia say(unless they are really bad or really ballsy). Well, then you're encouraging us to trust him, and that's fine too. Also, you're completely wrong on the "he's probably green but lets kill" as something mafia wouldn't say, that's exactly what mafia would say. One of the little reasons I don't like deconduo is that this is the second time in the thread that he's trying to make sure that he's not certain on his suspicions. Somewhere in the thread he said about fishball "bored townie or mafia". Which again, is exactly what I'd say as mafia. Drive home a kill on a townie, and then hide behind the excuse "well I said he was probably green" or "he was bad for town anyway". You can see why mafia would like this yeah? Kill greens, don't take the blame? On a side note, I'm glad you're committing. Now tell us why he's scum. | ||
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And what has that got to do with anything? There is very likely a coroner role of some sorts anwyay. That's not the problem, I want you to stop trying to hide behind "I think he's green, but he should be shot anyway" or "he's either mafia or bad town". I want you to tell us who is scum. I think a wise man once said "If you can't convince yourself, how are you going to convince anyone else?". Kurumi, start contributing. | ||
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On June 28 2011 21:37 deconduo wrote: I have two trains of thought going on at the moment: -Fishball is mafia. Mafia are scared that I'm going to kill him so they are trying to get me lynched. I would put Fishball, BC, Kurumi as scum. Other possible suspects are Palmar, Jackal, Chezinu. Radfield, LSB are probably town. -Fishball is town. Mafia are just lurking away happy at the fact that nothing is going on. Chaoser, ILJ, sandroba would be my biggest suspects. Radfield, BC, Caller (*sigh*), probably town. If you put a gun to my head, given how the game has played out so far, my gut says option number 2 right now. If you want me to say something like Fishball is 100% town or 100% mafia, don't be dumb. Its day 1, theres not exactly a lot to go on. I don't know anything for certain. I do know that Fishball has been pretty unhelpful so far. When he was asked nicely to step up his game he refused. When he was threatened to step up his game he refused. As such, unless a better target presents itself, I'm shooting him tonight. Well, if you want to shoot someone, shoot him because you think he's scum. Everyone knows that there is a chance you're wrong, but being wrong isn't a crime, being afraid of being wrong is much worse. And sure, if the town doesn't want to lynch you, then far be it from me to direct your shots. I just hope you're making educated decisions and not OMGUS shooting. | ||
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On June 26 2011 07:23 Kurumi wrote: Assuming we have Coroner type role should it target lynched people or night kills so we know how many blues or townies died ? Should vigi kills have the same priority as lynches ? Id like to avoid viging anyone though ,unless we are dead sure someone's scum . No, you're bad. Vigis should absolutely be shooting. On June 26 2011 08:05 Kurumi wrote: It is just Fishball, just give him time to get running ! Either way I dont see a huge and strong case against him just yet,nothing crucial was told to be honest. It is just like lynching Chezinu based on meta. I don't care if he's always like this. If he's that good at mafia as half of you seem to believe, it's his responsibility to step up and try to help lead the town to victory. There's nothing more annoying than townies who bask in their ignorance and believe they're somehow too good to try their best. On June 27 2011 19:33 Kurumi wrote: GGQ was killed because he is lucky when it comes to being mafia,gg vigilante. Nice analysis, only someone like you could honestly think such bullshit, but no worries, you can just hide behind the fact that "you're trolling". Oh wait, that's bad for town too. On June 27 2011 19:55 Kurumi wrote: RoL,Ace stated that Mafia with 2KP would be too strong in this setup so I think it is either real Vigilante or Third Party Planar Dragon. Thanks for telling us the rules On June 27 2011 22:00 Kurumi wrote: ##Vote Hesmyrr Good pressure On June 27 2011 22:57 Kurumi wrote: LSB,why the heck are You discussing night hits when we don't know shit,why do You suspect Caller killing GGQ? I know there are people with motive to kill GGQ,but betting it on Caller just because is dumb. I think we should leave Night hits for now. If you know something that the town doesnt, care to share? Feed other trolls, nice. On June 28 2011 02:53 Kurumi wrote: I will continue herping derping till something worth a while comes or two men in black come to my house. ok, so you're not only being deliberately bad, but you're also refusing to try to help. There's nothing to it but scum. Can we just shoot him yet? | ||
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On June 28 2011 22:02 Kurumi wrote: Palmar,call a hit on Caller then I will start caring about Your worthless post-by-post "analysis". Trying to get rid of "weak" townie? Caller is bigger fish,too big for Your scummy mouth to swallow. I won't get lynched myself Day 1 like in XXXIX,in this game I will defend myself and bring town scum to lynch. How about you start doing that then. Cool, go write me something on caller, he's a troll. But honestly, is your town play "nah it's fine that I don't contribute and troll, cause someone else is doing it too/more". Is that it? Cause y'know, your goal isn't being "not the worst townie" but rather being "the best townie you can be". | ||
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On June 28 2011 22:09 Kurumi wrote: Palmar,You were the guy who said mass shooting is acceptable in this game. It is not. It is. | ||
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I probably shouldn't bother trying to explain this to you, but some of the vigs might read this and actually get the idea. assume a hypothetical situation, 7town vs 2mafia. assume worst case scenario, town mislynches every time. there is a vigi in game. cycle 1 7v2 lynch (can hit town or mafia) maf kill (can only hit town cycle 2 5v2 lynch (can hit town or mafia) maf kill (can only hit town) cycle 3 3v2 lynch (can hit town or mafia) Game over. In this scenario, three out of the 5 kills it takes to end the game, were town sided kills. Now let's assume we have a batshit insane compulsive vigilante. cycle 1 7v2 lynch (can hit town or mafia) vig shot (can hit town or mafia, but not vigilante) maf kill (can only hit town) cycle 2 4v2 lync (can hit town or mafia) vig shot (can hit town or mafia, but not vigilante) Game over. In this scenario, the town gets 4 of the 5 kills it takes to end the game. Vigilantes should be shooting the first night, and every night there after, especially in a game where we don't know the role-setup and the flips don't mean anything, so any clever mafia is just going to keep random distance between all it's members. | ||
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On June 28 2011 22:23 deconduo wrote: The shady Iraqis who sold me my shotgun only gave me one bullet. ugh So your excuse for telling us you'd use it on someone you think is town is "I was just threatening, I'm really a one shot vigilante"? Way to blow your cover. So now you're. a) useless town kp, that needs to be fired tonight, or the mafia just kills you to reduce town kp or b) scum. you'll die anyway, from a town standpoint, claiming a one-shot vigilante before using your bullet makes zero sense. | ||
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On June 28 2011 22:29 deconduo wrote: Mafia might leave me alive after shoot cos I can't shoot anymore. Thats my reasoning. But no matter, you're still forced to shoot tonight. Which is bad. While I am all for pushing normal vigis to shoot every night, one shot vigis obviously become more accurate late-game. In any case, there was no reason for you to claim the one-shot part. I have no idea what to think of you at the moment. | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:20 LSB wrote: Intresting analysis. But why does "trolling" make someone mafia? If trolling makes someone mafia, shouldn't Caller also be in that list? Call me naive, but I assume everyone is here to try to win. I don't think anyone is going to argue that mindless trolling, followed by the defense of "but that guy is trolling more", is in any way helpful for the town. I know Kurumi is capable of playing against his win condition (see PTP) but in a game full of experienced vets, I'd expect him to at least try to win, instead of looking at this as his own little playground. So assuming he's playing to win, that leaves only the possibility of him being mafia. So yes, trolling = mafia. | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Note to all Vigi's at this point in time. Anyone who does not commit to any suspect and random wastes a vote into a no lynch situation today should get shot. This has been a public service message by the BloodyC0bbler corporation. I'm going to discredit you and throw suspicion on us both by agreeing with this. Anyone who is not willing to help the town should be shot. Trolls and lurkers should be shot. | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:28 deconduo wrote: So Caller and Fishball are mafia as well then? Caller just might be. Fishball has contributed more than you. | ||
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