TL Mafia XLII

@aidnai With my inexperience, I'm not going to claim to know anyone is definitively mafia -- I will post to say what strikes me as particularly suspicious or strange. (I'll post my opinion on hiro after I sleep.)

wiggles and someone else pointed a finger at GGQ on d1, I don't see it yet; he seems to be playing similar to game I played with him before where he was town.
@wiggles, I don't think I was brought as a candidate for lynching except by sandroba, who then retracted saying he had misread my post. Either way, I understand why you'd be bothered by my lack of contribution; it's not intentional.

In my opinion, I would have thought that if grassg or jacinto were mafia, their teammates would have given them better direction by now, but by the same token if they were overwhelmed newb town they could have made some note of that as well. It's suspicious certainly, but they just seem quite inactive or disinterested. On Jacinto, he made his first post in a few different threads before finding the right one, it was a decent enough post, but his second and last post advocated killing lurkers that don't start posting because "if we don't and they happen to be mafia, we're gonna be in trouble" -- that was over 32 hours ago, (I'll admit I got busy and was afk for a similar time period) so maybe he'll still return. But grassg's lack of any real post seems unlikely to change; why didn't he just let himself be modkilled.

No, I was suggesting that it was scummy for you to make a place-holder vote on a real candidate -- if you were worried about being modkilled before catching up on the thread you should have made an actual place-holder vote not jumped on someone who was on the chopping block at the time. Besides, there was still have the day cycle left wasn't there.

Honestly, his initial posts don't strike at any of my funny bones, and no one else seems suspicious of him until his grassg vote. He was suspicious of townie impervious. I guess his rationale was that his vote was a pressure vote since he thought grass was town, But I'm not sure how you pressure-vote an obvious inactive lurker with only 4.5hr before lynch; that's just either silliness not realizing the time, or a scum excuse to vote for a town. "holy s-, lol" -> that was a pointless post. He defends this action and claims he wants ILJ or grass to show up and start posting so he can vote for the other -- in the end ilj did show up and he switched his vote to him and ilj flipped town. sandroba is the first to really accuse hiro's grass vote of being clear-scum, but it sort of seems to ignore the prior posts on the matter. But sandroba was right to point that doesn't make sense for a town to put a number like 90% on the feeling that grass is an inactive town, they might feel like he is a newb inactive town but only a mafia would really try to gain the cred of predicting grass flipping town, unless he dt-ed grass N0 or was pm-ed that grass was clean. Had ilj or grass flipped mafia then I would have been inclined to think mafia was trying to bring hiro in as a new savior bandwagon at the end of the day, but this was not the case (though grass still hasn't flipped).
It seemed strange to me that sandroba was repetitively so actively harping on this one line by hiro for the last quarter of the day -- viscera asked sandroba to campaign on more than just the one line and convince us, but sandroba didn't -- could sandroba have been worried about saving grass? If hiro flips scum, I'll be very suspicous of viscera for this + Show Spoiler + which doesn't make sense to my understanding of English. aidnai and viscera tell us that hiro has done many other scummy things... and then we wait to see those listed by Varpulis, whose analysis is pretty convincingly written; aidnai's is as well.
What gets me is when ilj dies and hiro starts defending himself against these two analyses, he says "I was right" and that "I still feel it should have been Grass on the lynch", suddenly out of nowhere he doesn't think grass is a "board townie" anymore, but he didn't vote for grass or try to convince people to switch to grass from ilj.
Either hiro is desperately trying to stay alive by claiming to be town, or when he flips town we will have to wonder about the ones who initially implicated him but such will be called wine.

Honestly, my brain doesn't even work right now. I apologize for that but this week I've been exhausted by 12-hours days as a camp counselor. I think that both Varpulis and Wiggles are town, so I'm going to vote with them against ym who led us wrong on prior lynch candidates. (Also ym is asking for my death, but I know I'm town.) That's bad logic, but it's the best my mind can do right now.