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aidnai
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 Just to catch up with everything, Sandroba's plan has already been sufficiently debunked. If RoL is actually masoning with tons of people... good for him I guess? but as was pointed out with sandroba's plan, if RoL dies, all those people lose their mason connection, so... yeah, regardless, I'm not masoning with anyone AT LEAST until day, and even then, I'll probably save one of them for a few days when I have better reads on everyone. I'm really relieved to have a PM game again, haven't been too many recently. | ||
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aidnai
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Saying scum will be discouraged from hitting the zodiac list because of making themselves look more suspicious is BS-- 1) there are statistically 1-2 scum in the list of 8, with three KP even if all three hits go into the zodiac list, that leaves us with 1-2 scum out of 5, when the general population is already 1 out of 5. 2) numbers are rarely a good way of scumhunting anyway (I konw impervious probably disagrees) 3) saving forum vets is more important than saving random noobs 4) medic prots are a better way of discouraging KP than threats about looking suspicious That being said, I think that impervious and myself have as much experience as players like youngmini or scamp or Wiggles (scamp might have played a bunch before I got here, not sure). So is there any reason we're not included in the list? | ||
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For other new-er blues in this game, i'm gonna bring this up since Chaos13 is dead already anyway: look at chaos13's posts. There's like 4-5 of them from N0, and all but maybe one are giving blues advice, asking for blue advice, or otherwise discussing blue roles. IMO, he was a pretty obvious snipe. Moral of the story: don't spend a lot of time talking about blues and nothing else. We can talk about this more post-game. Scamp, the game GGQ is talking about is XXXVII. Ver = Ser Aspi. Although he and jackal did use PMs well, especially when it came to the endgame, the town kinda got lucky with a huge town circle that cleared LSB who otherwise would have been a great and easy mislynch for scum to push. So... yeah, like almost every game, it wasn't perfect play (or what we imagine is perfect) that won that game for town. Back to this game: I can only assume that Pondo was an attempted blue snipe. Not sure about kita. I find it odd that scum went for blue snipes over forum vets n0. I take this to mean that BC's zodiac was successful in deterring hits... Well, that's only good for us imo. | ||
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##Vote: Grassgiraffe On June 09 2011 20:08 AnxiousHippo wrote: I can account for this guy. He's my friend IRL, he won't let you down. Your friend said you wouldn't disappoint. Prove him wrong, make my day. | ||
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aidnai
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On June 15 2011 15:31 ilovejonn wrote: Tell me again why a townie would not say those things. Everything I said was to include an extra option to show that you should not do something straight forward and instead be flexible based on what might happen in the future. And you're telling me a townie wouldn't say it out, biased much. Going to sleep see you in a few hours. This is exactly the wrong approach--the scum approach. "Hmm, I need to look like a townie, what would a townie say in this situation?" Townies say all kinds of things--we have sinani206 (presumably town) for instance saying, don't meta, scum hunt. We have BC saying we should use a zodiac list and not protect people on it night 0, etc. In a lot of cases, it's not what is said, it's how. And how you made your post is exactly what YM picked up on--you WERE uncertain and timid. Therefore, your defense actually makes you look worse in my eyes. If you're gonna defend yourself, tell me these two things: 1) do you agree/disagree that your current play is similar to your scum play in XXIX rather than your town play in XXVIII. 2) can you provide a rationale for why your posting so far looks like your scum play more than your town play? And sinani, btw, you saying don't use meta b/c of night 0 start is bullshit. Maybe you're worried because you didn't post anything at night, and that doesn't fit with your town meta? whatever, meta is a very important part of good analysis, and having one little mechanic change is not going to change that. | ||
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On June 15 2011 17:17 Scamp wrote: Well, my vote will be on aidnai until he can shake off the stench of spam and blue-snipe bragging. And oh yes, I see this and I'm ignoring it. I feel entitled to make 2 spam posts in a mafia game ON MY GODDAMN BIRTHDAY. | ||
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aidnai
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it's obvious this is what scum do when the thread moves 0.02 pages per hour morons | ||
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The main issue I'm having now with your latest post is the disconnect between this: On June 16 2011 02:40 ilovejonn wrote: ... I'll be posting analysis when I actually have a plausible case... and this On June 16 2011 02:40 ilovejonn wrote: ##Vote: GGQ. If you don't have a plausible case, why vote? | ||
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aidnai
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Sinani has a good point about OpZ, and it applies to scamp as well in my opinion. Both zodiac list players, both voting for me with almost zero thread presence other than a one liner excuse for their vote. (scamp also did show some aggression towards GGQ but doesn't seem interested in following that up). Very disappointing to say the least -- every newb townie is like "hurr durr, this guy is active/vocal, he's suspicious, FOS", but why supposed vets are doing this is beyond me. Another, maybe bigger problem is that the other zodiac players (most of the town actually) are awol still... BC, wiggles, node, RoL? edit BEFORE post: ok, left this open for a while I was doing other stuff, I see it's been ninja'd severely, but I have to leave and can't change anything right now. | ||
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I'll be honest, I think the thread is moving far too slowly. A large portion of the town has not posted, because they are all waiting to see...something, I don't know what. Maybe this will help everyone understand my posting in this game: I'm extremely bored at the moment irl and disappointed every time I check this thread and it's been 2 hours with no posts TT. So yeah, I'm making some noise. And yeah, it's day 1 and it's pretty difficult to make all my posts "productive" or "useful". I'm gonna post a list of people that are too quiet so far, or not at all day 1. (I'm obviously shifting focus away from all the scum we've already found with out amazing day 1 scum hunting.) BC Node Kenpachi (lol) Sandroba - haven't heard from this guy since his plan got shot down :/ hiro protagonist GGQ grassgiraffe - total afk demorcerf - this guy has one post from N0, kinda longish, which is chock full of questions directed at no one... he appears unable to think things through as a townie, either is a paralyzed noob or a scum mig - only post is re: sandroba's plan, after it was already dead. impervious - a couple substance free posts N0 along with the statement "once it's day we can talk" Landenc - total afk jacinto - total afk lazorbear RoL - said he would be productive in 9 hours, about 11-12 hours ago. Not to be a stickler, just saying... Thats like half the town, and we're halfway through our second phase. | ||
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Also, I'm removing BC from my totally-inactive-so-far-day-one list. | ||
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As for the day's plan: I don't mind remaining a discussion/lynch target for the moment. If nothing else, my big mouth today should give others SOMETHING to give an opinion on. | ||
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ILJ's response to pressure makes him look scummier than the original pressure did. That being said, this is only a day1 case, and at least ILJ is one of the active ones. (yah i'm mostly parroting BC). The case against Sinani is basically: wtf?!? Why would a townie post that way? Well, consider also, why would a scum post that way? It's easier for me to imagine a townie posting that way than a scum. Consider: a townie doesn't want the thread to be derailed by a bad analysis, so he tries to nip it in the bud. Maybe? Also, he changed his mind in the correct direction, which is kinda null in my opinion, not scummy. Long story short, I don't really think there's a good case against him. If we had to lynch among the three of us, ILJ would get my vote. But I doubt my vote will actually go there. | ||
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aidnai
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1) we're not even trying to find a scum, we're just punishing bad behaviour. This is better left to vigi's, ala Ace's nice advice piece here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671 2) It's a scum favored delay tactic -- we give up a real lynch which people have argued back and forth about, and in the end we get --- another round of night kills, a bunch of day 1 discussion that means a lot less without any relevant flip. 3) ILJ is as good as an inactive at this point. 4) ILJ responded poorly to pressure, you're not gonna get much better than this day 1. All that said, ##VOTE: ilovejonn | ||
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cute pressure by YM -> bad defense 1) don't meta me 2) why wouldn't a townie say these things? 3) OMGUS (I hadn't voted him, but I was keeping the pressure on him at that point) 4) scum are happy with how this is going, go look at lurkers, sayonara ILJ said he would post an analysis when he found a plausible case, instead he voted for GGQ and then me without any case whatsoever. ILJ never yet has posted a good explanation for the similarities between his play this game and his play as scum in past games. ILJ made a bad defense, and when the pressure turned up checked out of the thread. He's the best lynch today. | ||
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