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On June 05 2011 12:44 freeloader625 wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules: 1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed? Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked) Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip? | ||
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On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote: With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game. What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes. Sitting around doesn't hunt scum. Generating discussion hunts scum. It's only been a few hours into the game and there has already been some interesting things going on including the early voting and the ambiguous defense. | ||
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On June 05 2011 16:19 iGrok wrote: Lead by example The most important questions Must be answered now If you have a question regarding the game setup, ask it like so: How does Mafia KP work? Is it #/2, a fixed number, etc? You ask with green not blue. | ||
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On June 05 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote: By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos. Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes. We aren't that vindictive,don't worry <3 But there are players who are magnets,namely Radfield and Kavdragon,who like to die Day/Night 1. Kurumi, you're talking for the sake of talking and stirring up too many accusations without any discussion or analysis. Talk is good, blind accusations are bad. This makes chaos and makes it hard to focus on one thing at a time. (AGAIN) There isn't much to go on right now. Here's what happened: 1 guy asked a dumb question. Scum Scale: *---- 3 guys bandwaggonned. Scum Scale: **--- 2-3 people throw around un-called-for accusations. Scum Scale: ***-- Oh, and Pyo called you out on being an ass. If you are an experienced player like you say, you should know that rapidly throwing out multiple low impact accusations just lead to you getting ignored or lynched :/ @Pyo You need somewhere to get a discussion started. The accusation was arbitrary, but it's the best thing there was after the roles got pmed and before the game started. After everyone starts posting their mind on this there will be a greater pool of posts to look over. | ||
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On June 06 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote: @Vain Let aprudds defend himself. Defend myself against what? An ad-homonim? If he want's to discuss, let him discuss. He's calling you out and all you can respond with is a 2 liner. You say it yourself anything that generates discussion is good, why are you trying to shut it down? I'm trying not to sound condescending but you really need to calm down, think things through, process your judgments, and take time planing out your posts. It doesn't matter too much right now, but people are getting annoyed (myself included) and it's going to be hurtful later on. I understand that English might not be your first language (It's not my first language either) but that doesn't excuse you for making posts like this + Show Spoiler + My dumbness meter went over 9000. Before saying "HURR DURR YOU DID NOTHING" read my posts. I brought evidence why I think they're scum. Keep it civil please. | ||
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On June 06 2011 04:12 grush57 wrote: Im not inactive, I just dont feel like anybody can accuse this early. But you also voted just now. Your contradicting yourself. | ||
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On June 06 2011 04:28 monsterDrakar wrote: Yes, it was very rude of me to not provide an explanation. I will not post one liners in the future. It's simple really: A guy comes out of nowhere and makes a list with "innactives" when the game hasn't been running even for a full day. I would expect some people had not seen the thread at that time. The guy himself has JUST become "active", so he isn't on the list. What was more annoying was that the list wasn't even accurate. He posted an updated version (after being corrected by another player) and it still wasn't accurate. He makes himself appear helpful, while providing an absolutely useless piece of information. I do in fact categorize that behavior as scummy. As I said before, I have no interest in participating in the bandwagon lynch of freeloader625. So all-in-all, if I am going to random lynch someone with a 1/5 chance of them being mafia, TheAwesomeAll seems like the best target so far. Although I can understand most of your points, don't you think there needs to be a way of keeping track of inactives? It's a 40 person game and without some type of spreadsheet or list it will be hard to keep track of the lurkers. I think your taking it too personally. If you don't like the list he made why not contribute to it so we can all keep track of everyone instead of jumping the gun? | ||
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On June 06 2011 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I didn't catch it in time to see the original. I think flamewheel can see this sort of thing so I'll ask him. Because this is a noobies game I'll let you go with just a warning but the next time ANYONE does this they die, no exceptions. You've been warned I already reported it and the mod told me it was a typo fix. | ||
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@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler + Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. | ||
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@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler + Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. I would like to restate my case and that the only person other than Lafali that voted freeloader and than jumped on rookie wagon is jimbooo | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:20 amazingxkcd wrote: Are you under the assumption that freeloader is a townie since lafali jumped on him as well as jimbooo? I don't know what freeloader is. Either noobscum or noobtown. It doesn't really matter though, like I've stated many times the accusation in the beginning was to start discussion. Looking at the patterns, the only one who has the same voting pattern as Lafali is Jimbo. | ||
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Although GGQ's last analysis is quite solid and firmly grounded facts I cannot agree to your addon. + Show Spoiler + Also the fact that I am still alive is a huge tell. I have been the most vocal against him and even all but declared myself dead at the hands of the mafia. If he had been town, I would be the perfect target for the mafia. Just think, I get hit and then suspicion falls on iGrok for real and he might get lynched. win-win for them right? But if he is mafia, then killing me would just bring more suspicion on him. This is just a bunch of WIFOM. You can practically apply that logic to anyone. You didn't explore the second conclusion you could have made. GGQ was vocal about Jimbooo being scum. Going by your logic, since GGQ died and suspicion will fall on Jimbooo being scum so he must certainly not be scum! Or more simply Everyone who has an attacker that lived must be scum! Everyone who has an attacker that died must be town! Now let's look at it from another side Since your the PERFECT target for scum and you weren't killed wouldn't the more obvious conclusion that you must be scum! See what I did there? Your logic doesn't work and your just twisting whatever you can get to your own liking. Keep your arguments grounded in facts otherwise we are just going to be running in circles. Also you conveniently avoid the fact that DeMorcerf was killed and since I know you read GGQ's post, you also know that he defended iGrok. If your going to post an analysis keep your personal feelings out of it and include all the information please. Next + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2011 14:18 Pyo wrote: Yeah, you're definitely scum. Since you're scum, you aren't approaching it as townie would. If it was a vet that got hit, there's nothing to exploit. no strategies can be used. If it is a medic, then we're in luck and we have options available to us. But if mafia know that we have that medic, then they will go medic hunting. Now it is undoubtedly a good thing for the mafia to not know which one, as it will in the worst case scenario cost them another KP to learn which it is. However, if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting. As a townie knowing who survived the hit doesn't benefit us in anyway. Not until next night when the next round of DT checks go out. It's not like their analysis of posting becomes any more accurate or informed. Your not thinking clearly at all. I'll list out what what Treadmill is trying to say since it looks like your in blind crusade mode. 3rd person doesn't come forward Mafia knows: who they are who was targeted who was killed Town knows: who was killed 3rd person comes forward Mafia knows: who they are who was targeted who was killed Town knows: who was killed who was targeted It's still completely in the dark whether the 3rd person was healed or is a veteran. + Show Spoiler + However, if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting. This makes no sense. How can anyone infer anything from a "I was targeted". They don't have to say or rather shouldn't say how they lived. + Show Spoiler + As a townie knowing who survived the hit doesn't benefit us in anyway. Not until next night when the next round of DT checks go out. It's not like their analysis of posting becomes any more accurate or informed. We gain information. If we know who was targeted we can try and reason why they were targeted. I don't think your scum but I think you sir need to calm down As for myself I still find Jimbooo very suspicious but also Drazerk. After looking at Treadmill's post the two people who were linked from both DeMorcerf's death and GGQ's death is Drazerk. After looking into further into his posts, he has not contributed anything and fully admitted to lurking. Also going off this post + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 16:51 Drazerk wrote: Wow we lost our medics From what i can tell I highly doubt jackal is god farther in my opinion he just made a theory and people jumped on the band wagon / scum co ordination it's not his fault While it's sad to see rookie gone he made a blunder that costed him I have no real ideas on who is scum at this moment now For the first bolded part I'll have to point here http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells#The_.22Well.2C_That_Sucks.22_Tell For the second one, After all the information that was laid on the table he doesn't find anyone suspicious? + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 10:01 Drazerk wrote: [b] Good catch by the looks of things every vote for Rookie has been within 5 mins of one another leading me to believe that this is very organised Because there are a lot of inexperienced players ( my self included ) band wagoning will occur more often allowing the scum to get easier Lynch kills in the earlier days until we either prove or disprove Jackel's Theory In my opinion Rookie is more inexperienced than Scum material But here he clearly states that he does find the rookie bandwagon suspicious. Care to explain yourself Drazerk? | ||
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First off Drazerk, I still want to hear a response. Next, can you guys please, make your analysis more readable? This is more directed towards Kurumi, Sprungjeezy and to a lesser extent Treadmill. Kurumi: It takes every ounce of mental strength to even read through your posts without skipping them over. Please structure your thoughts and lay them out in a constructive manner instead of trying to barf whatever you were thinking on the page and hoping people will read it. Your posts have no coherent flow and with 5 of them in a row it just makes me want to ignore you for the rest of the game. I told you this before at the beginning but if your going to continue to defecate on the page I'm just going to ignore everything you write. I'm not trying to be a dick but your posts make my eyes and brain hurt. It's worse than trying to read Shakespeare. Treadmill: Giant quote walls hurt. They hurt alot. I am VERY THANKFUL though that you managed to at least have the courtesy of structuring it. Jackal was right on when he said to break it up so people can try and digest the information better. Sprungjeezy: No your formatting isn't attractive at all. It's downright confusing. If you want people to actually read what you write without getting lost next time make it coherent. I literally cannot see what point your trying to make other than "he's suspicious vote for him". I apologize if you think that I'm stupid but can you make it clear what new information your bringing to the table? Because I just don't see it. Lastly it's very disturbing that everyone seemed to have already forgotten the first lynch. We lynched the doctor and instead of looking at the votes to find scum, people are playing WIFOM. People on my FOS: Kurumi-The voting fiasco Senj-The voting fiasco amazingxkcd-The voting fiasco and reasons outlined by treadmill Jimbooo-I have already outlined my reasoning Drazerk-I have already outlined my reasoning xkcd, Jimboo and Drazerk care to justify yourselves? | ||
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On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote: Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol. Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary. It's just very difficult to read and understand your thoughts when your jumping around all the time with punctuation all over the place. A few simple things you could do is a) put spaces after your commas b) organize your information and post it in a structured manner. c) stop quad posting so much. Take a few minutes to think about everything you want to say and then do it in a nice concise manner. Currently your posting every single stray thought that goes through your head and some of it is complete nonsense if you sat down and thought about. | ||
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On June 09 2011 01:58 amazingxkcd wrote: That is the statement i am trying to push for. I voted for rookie with similar evidence as jackal, while not knowing about his posts, then later people started to push for me. Notice the people who voted for rookie on jackal's posts then switched over to vote for me when one of the scums said i was suspicious. The problem is that jackal started the bandwagon with not so strong reasons. it looked like he was trying to get some more information out of rookie and see the reaction rather than the full out lynch. For you, an observer, to completely blindly agree with Jackal's reasoning (which isn't that strong in the first place) and then vote in a seemingly organized manner with 2 others is where the suspicions come in. Your less than stellar post history doesn't help you at all either. | ||
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On June 09 2011 02:01 amazingxkcd wrote: This is for you, aprudds, you only referenced treadmill's posts but what is your thoughts? You want me to defend myself against you when you got nothing to say about me. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tymQB.png) I apologize if I didn't make things clear. Like Treadmill said your being completely wishy washy and NEVER express your own thoughts. Even this post you refuse to even say anything. I want you to properly address the allegations against you. I will assume you have a proper defense by the end of the day. | ||
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On June 09 2011 02:08 amazingxkcd wrote: If Jackal's reasoning wasn't strong enough and if he just wanted information, then why did he vote for rookie right away after his analysis of rookie as detailed below? That's how you put pressure. | ||
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On June 09 2011 02:01 grush57 wrote: Fine, Ill just lurk like the other 30 people and jump on bandwagons like the other 30 people, otherwise every time I try to say something everybody else tries to jump on me. This is a terrible attitude to have. Please stop it. People want deeper justifications instead of a 2 liner. Something tangible to actually discuss. | ||
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