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On June 05 2011 04:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I thought that was going to be annul's picture for a second :p I'm not that bad of a person. | ||
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On June 06 2011 03:38 amazingxkcd wrote: interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other. You didn't 'simply make an observation'. You stated that something was 'quite clear' when in fact it is not. It hasnt even been 24 hours since the game started, so we have no idea if someone else will come in and start to post alot, or whether the people who have posted a lot before will continue to post alot. In fact, the only way you could know this would be if you were mafia and knew that several of the mafia members had posted already. Also your second sentence was really weak. You basically said that the only question is to figure out who is mafia. Yeah, we know. Got any ideas? | ||
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On June 06 2011 02:41 Kairo wrote: I am reading the thread, and thinking about what everybody writes- Plenty of time still to vote. I am not posting, but definitely not afk/inactive. I will post when I have anything worthwile to write, since I do not want to clog up the thread with useless spam. I was under the impression that one of the surefire ways for town to lose is when too many people posts too many "empty" posts, since it makes the information flow almost impossible to handle and analyze. This if ofc very benefical to the mafia, so I would strongly suggest that everybody are careful with "empty" posting. Everybody should feel encouraged to contribute, but make sure you are contributing. Look at the posts of somebody that you feel is suspicious. Figure out what makes you suspect him. Then post about it in a logical and rational manner. Make as many posts like that as you want  . | ||
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On June 06 2011 01:17 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Vain you make me look silly in your summary, but its great otherwise. I quickly made a list of inactive people, you can ignore the numbers. + Show Spoiler + 1. Munk-E 2. blackone amazingxkcd 5. cherubael 6. teamsolid 8. Alderan 10. Drazerk has voted but not posted 12. Aril 14. TheKK 15. TranceStorm 16. heist 17. Sprungjeezy 18. monsterDrakar 21. supersoft 23. Xedat 24. grush57 25. Date_Reaper 26. CjrNinja 29. DeMorcerf 31. Kurumi 33. Clicker 34. Kairo 36. gtrsrs 38. tdAdonis 40. GGQ Why did you make this list? What do you think about the people on the list, and what should we do about them? | ||
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On June 06 2011 01:30 monsterDrakar wrote: I will quickly make a list of people who annoy me with their first post. + Show Spoiler + TheAwesomeAll You got my vote. You earned it. More explanation, please. Why does this annoy you? Why do you feel justified voting for people who annoy you rather than people that you suspect are mafia? | ||
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On June 06 2011 00:07 Kurumi wrote: My dumbness meter went over 9000. Before saying "HURR DURR YOU DID NOTHING" read my posts. I brought evidence why I think they're scum. No more posts like this, please. We need a positive environment. Ask jackal or coagulation for tips if you want some ^_^ | ||
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On June 06 2011 00:01 Vain wrote: Hi all. I just read trough all of the post and i must say there has been alot of accusations already. especially with Kurumi barging in and calling almost everyone that has posted a noobtown or a rat. I made a list of what happened the past time so i may as well post it. It may not be complete in the sence of what everyone has said but i think it helps tracing who accused who + Show Spoiler + freeloader625 asked a question about mafia and said he was new aprudds says scum slip(accuses freeloader) Jimbooo Does not want to make hasty conclusions treadmill agrees with aprudds(accuses freeloader) cherubael is a bit indifferent at first but then also accuses freeloader 35spike1 joins the bandwagon without much explenation gtrsrs posts he will be back tomorrow Aril defends freeloader625 Lafali also hops the wagon cherubael accuses aril DeMorcerf accuses freeloader too heist not suspicous of people defending freeloader omgCRAZY: Appruds quick to acccuse freeloader. Cherubael and jimboo thorw out votes Aril: We should not gang up on people omgCRAZY states he's new to the game iGrok defends freeloader. Says voting early suspicious. suggest checking freeloader monsterDrakar doesnt support Appruds accusation TheKK defends freeloader625.states it was a legimate question TheAwesomeAll also defends freeloader625. TheAwesomeAll sees the other 2 post freeloader did make Sprungjeezy also suspects freeloader Kurumi thinks freeloader is town kurumi votes treadmill kurumi accuses lafali 2 times Igrok tries to temper kurumi just as Sprungjeezy rookie44 makes a post with some questions Benjef votes without posting Pyo posts the first analysis Benjef explains why he voted Pyo says he's a noob Ok, Now Kurumi. Bandwagoning is not seen as a mafia only trait. Town joins bandwagons just as easily. For now Freeloader625 would still be my main target. It would give us at this moment the most information about who will be scum and who not. If he would be town it gives us the info that the people who were defending him are likely town. Why would they defend him if they are mafia? Furthermore it would lay suspicion on the people who accused him in the first place. The chance that they are mafia in that case would be alot bigger. If he turns out scum we can pat ourselfs on the back and continue the game with somewhat of a lead. As a last thing to point out. If you are town don't be afraid to post a good analysis that is pointing out weak scum play. It will maybe get you killed but in the end it will help you win. And we all play to win rigt  Bolded part is very misguided play. Lynching for information, especially on day 1, is very weak. Taking into account the context, lynching freeloader for information is even weaker. The chance that he's mafia is very low, and if he flips green we have no usable information. The underlined question is very very easy to answer. Mafia always defend townies that they think will get mislynched. Why wouldnt they? It gives them free town cred. All we would get by lynching freeloader for information is a likely dead green and a pile of WIFOM. | ||
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On June 06 2011 04:02 Lafali wrote: I'm new to mafia forum games like this and mostly used to smaller and faster-paced ones where taking a risk on a mislynch is pretty common as long as the game is not mislynch-lose. The subsequent posts from treadmill seemed fishy and people started to vote for him and at that point he was the only one looking suspicious to me. However, after reading more into the thread it seemed like a bad idea to vote so early, and it would be better to wait for any tells, and then on day two, cop reports. Sounds like you play EpicMafia? It's good that you got some basic ideas from there, but forum mafia with 40 players isn't very similar to EM. Don't expect cop reports. Play as if there's no power roles; towns win forum mafia by having strong townie play, rarely by getting lucky with power roles. | ||
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On June 05 2011 13:35 aprudds wrote: Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip? To address this, I've been around this mafia forum for a while, and I was mafia last game. In your post telling you that you are mafia, you are usually given a link to a private quicktopic where your mafia team can coordinate. So freeloader's question actually indicates the opposite of what everyone assumed; he's probably not mafia because he didn't know how mafia communicates. | ||
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On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote: hi everyone i'm back my thoughts so far: - jesus christ, 7 pages of nothing - freeloader asked an innocuous question that was stupid but not scummy IMO in fact he made it quite clear the reasons he was asking: and then everyone ignored the fact that he asked another innocuous question too. clinging to false evidence ITT? - unfortunately it looks like a slip so i can see him getting lynched today - if he flips town, we'll need to re-evaluate the people who pushed for his lynch - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) - voting in this thread is not scummy, whoever said that. voting in this thread helps us keep track of bandwagons and reasoning behind votes. please vote in this thread when you vote in the voting thread. - there are too many posts in this thread. you probably don't have anything to say at this point. don't post for posting's sake. when you do post, please make long, well-thought-out posts. short posts derail the thread. i think one of the pages had like 10 one-line posts and that's not acceptable. it allows mafia to "blend in" with the town by posting similarly. - posts that have words but don't say anything are scummy - kurumi is naturally an annoying, accusatory spammer, don't read into it too much (also no offense to kurumi)- from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. ##vote: iGrok You didn't actually mention iGrok in your post, but you voted for him. More explaining please? | ||
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On June 06 2011 07:16 supersoft wrote: and that's bad because? I don't get your point. If someone wants to expose himself, he may do so. I won't, because if I do so, either Mafia shoots me at night, or town lynchs me at day - depending on what I am, or what you guys think I am. Please read Xedat's post carefully. It's very important that town plays the game correctly. If you are town, you shouldnt be afraid of being found out as town. Mafia already know you are town because they know who their teammates are. Town wins when all the townies are so pro-town that the mafia become obvious. Mafia wins when town can't tell who is lurking/useless town and who is mafia. | ||
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Thoughts on what I've read so far: iGrok's post on setup was not blue-fishing at all (if he was doing that for the benefit of his mafia friends, he would post it in mafia quicktopic, not in thread), but it also was kind of useless (sorry bro, I know you like this kind of stuff, but there was no need to post it). You went through a lot of trouble and wild conjecture just to arrive at the conclusion that we probably have a pretty normal setup (2dts, 2-3medics, 2-4vigs, 2-4 vets). You could have just stated that that's a normal setup for the roles that were listed. I want to mention, though, that I've played in games on this forum where the only blue roles were vigilantes, and where the only blue roles were veterans. Be ready for anything and DONT count on blue roles to win the game for you. Greens win games far more often than blues do. About Kurumi, yeah a lot of his posts were bad, but he's been a pretty week player in the only two games I've seen him in. His habit of 'restating' other players posts to make it seem like they said things they didn't is very suspicious, though. I agree with him as a potential dt target. On a side-note, though, Post by Post analysis is rarely needed. It just makes your analysis longer than it needs to be. Cut out the posts that don't contribute to your analysis, or just spoiler them. I don't love how iGrok responded to the vote on him, but I don't necessarily recommend a dt check on him, since if he's mafia he's likely to be the godfather. Freeloader's one and only new post was really really bad. If you are town, buddy, don't do this sort of thing again. I think I know what you big 'plan' is; in fact I think it's the same awful 'plan' that Kurumi had in XXXIX. The "act suspicious so people bandwagon on you then accuse them of being scum for bandwagoning" plan is awful awful awful, and I dearly hope that that's not what you are going for. Think that's all for now, more later. | ||
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I voted jimbooo; the first line on my mafia XL sheet is a scribble saying "Jimboo-words and actions say different things". His posts since then haven't convinced me to back off of him either. This is my preferred lynch. I also would support an amazingxkcd lynch, he went on my sheet with his first post and since then he's been underlined twice lol. Let's get our votes off of rookie and onto one of these two guys. | ||
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On June 07 2011 12:48 iGrok wrote: Speaking of people who haven't posted much... But yeah, you're right. doesn't look like it'll really matter though, looks like rookie is pretty locked in as the lynch How do you feel about that? What do you think of Treadmill compared to lafali? | ||
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What do you think of iGrok, jackal? | ||
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On June 07 2011 13:06 iGrok wrote: Well. 2 blues and 2 reds. Looks like we need to do some serious thinking. Whats do you think of treadmill? | ||
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On June 07 2011 13:16 Treadmill wrote: 2 mafia getting modkilled is nice, means they're down to 3 KP. On the other hand, we're probably out of medics. Which means the mafia gets to kill pretty much whoever they want. Hey look! rookie44 was a blue! What a surprise! I'm gonna point out that I totally called that. But not to brag - if I saw it, someone in the mafia probably suspected him of being blue too. In fact it's a little more obvious to them cause they could rule out rookie being red. So i'm even more convinced that the mafia managed to swing that lynch. I'm pretty comfortable saying that Senj, amazingxkcd, and Kurumi are mafia. To a more experienced player (iGrok or Vain preferably) what would you think of out vigi's shooting at them tonight? I'm maybe 80 or 90% sure, but I'd want someone with more experience to comment. Kurumi was hard on lafali right from the beginning, I seriously doubt he is mafia; there was absolutely no need to for Kurumi to push for lafali lynch so soon. The other two are reasonable choices, xkcd more so than senj from what I've seen. I don't think it's certain enough to call for a vig shot yet though. Better to save them another night at least. | ||
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TheKK didn't post at all and so he gives us absolutely no information. Perhaps the best information that we can get out of this is to examine people's responses to Kurumi's pressure on lafali. I leave that as an exercise for the newbies for now . Look at how people respond to lafali's post and who voted for lafali and who defended lafali. But don't just look at that; look also at why and how they defended him.If dts are looking for targets to examine, I'd suggest jimbooo, amazingxkcd, drazerk, and Vain. Make your own choices, of course, but these are people i have suspicions towards. | ||
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