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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 03 2011 18:36 GMT
#7
/in
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 10 2011 04:33 GMT
#115
On May 10 2011 13:22 Kavdragon wrote:
Looking forward to playing with Chezniu. Also, should I announce my Mayoral campaign yet?


If you do, the Kavdragon Sucks Party will be back in full force.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 12 2011 03:59 GMT
#173
On May 12 2011 12:46 Kenpachi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 12 2011 11:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On May 12 2011 11:23 Kavdragon wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:12 Node wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:09 tnkted wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:06 Qatol wrote:
/out


On May 12 2011 03:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Actually /out









was looking to see how the most epic mafia players clashed in an epic set up..


That's not possible, you never signed up Kenpachi :p
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 12 2011 20:19 GMT
#187
Happy Birthday ^_^
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 14 2011 01:06 GMT
#233
Here is the plan: I'm going to publicly assign all roles 1-25. You will then pick the appropriate role according to your assignment. Anyone who fails to follow my plan is scum. This is completely pro-town, I swear.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 14 2011 03:19 GMT
#254
On May 14 2011 12:07 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 10:36 GMarshal wrote:
On May 14 2011 10:25 Ace wrote:
On May 14 2011 10:17 GMarshal wrote:
On May 14 2011 10:12 Ace wrote:
On May 14 2011 10:06 GMarshal wrote:
On May 14 2011 10:05 Ace wrote:
here we go again. Assigning roles before people pick. Disaster incoming.


Where exactly does this cause "disaster" to me it looks like it causes accountability for anti-town roles and only for anti-town roles.

Can you explain why its a bad idea? I'd really love to hear your input on this.


accountability? lol did you read the last 3 PYP games?


Yes, yes I did, I fail to see your point, if we know who has the PoD and we go into a double night then we vigi shoot him right off the bat, or lynch him if that isn't an option... Same with the other roles, assuming the plan is actually followed where is the flaw?

And if its not followed what do you propose? Everyone picks whatever they want? I feel like thats going to end with the mafia holding enough powerful roles to roll over us by denying lynches/converting people.


1.) Can't know if your "assigned" roles went to the right person.
2.) Won't know if the role went to town or mafia

For the chance of tying a few people to roles and not alignment you'll be giving Scum information on where the roles went. Lets not forget that unlike any other PYP game the amount of killing roles in this game are pretty high.


1.) *if* we agree to follow the plan then we will, because if they are town they will pick them, in the interest of benefiting the town, and if they are scum they don't want to be caught at a lie. And we'll be able to tell if the power was picked earlier since the person picking it will get vanilla. However I agree that this might be a weakness of the plan, is there any way to remedy it?

2.) It wont matter, if they are town they will never use the role, if they are mafia we will know if it is used, and will be able to kill them for it, thats the reason for assigning the activated anti-town roles to these players, rather than passive anti-town roles, its *really* easy to tell if they've been used.

On these people being killed by the mafia, then those anti-town roles are out of the game, rather than power roles, I dont see the issue with them being focused down.

I can't say I'm comfortable with letting townies pick whatever they want, I feel like thats going to lead to the mafia snagging powerful roles and the town overlapping too much in the role selection.

Still this plan cannot work if the people in those positions don't agree to it, so we should be in agreement before the draft order comes out.


I fell asleep reading this


Don't mind Ace. Its normal for people to start to get senile at his age.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 14 2011 04:07 GMT
#260
This kinda takes the fun out of it, but would everyone agree if it was possible, determining the draft order by randomly assigning numbers would benefit town as it removes the mafia advantage of preventing clashing?

The only problems would be:
1) Coming up with a fair system to "randomly" generate the numbers. I'm sure we could come up with some system that takes a future event like the length of the 1st GSL finals game mod 25 to generate the order.
2) Everyone has to agree to using the random numbers. However, since the draft order is public, we will be able to narrow down who submitted the wrong numbers.

Thoughts?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 14 2011 04:20 GMT
#262
On May 14 2011 13:16 tnkted wrote:
We'll know the draft order publically, ie, everyone will know who got first pick. Inventor will almost certainly be the first role taken.


I mean using random numbers to determine who gets first pick, second pick, ect.

On May 14 2011 13:16 tnkted wrote:
A question: if you got turned into vanilla, is it a good idea to claim? it would mean that that role is confirmed in the game, which would make a serious difference to town play if you claimed to try to get traitor or politician or something.


Generally no, unless you have good reason to.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 15 2011 01:14 GMT
#331
Thoughts on the set-up:
Detective roles are nice and all, but it seems to me the real strength for town lies in the kp roles: CPR doc, inventor, NRA Member, etc.

Inventor is the most powerful role if used correctly. Whoever receives this role should be required to follow the word of the town and name the invention in a way so its use cannot be up for interpretation.

The priest is being underestimated as a mafia role. People seem to be ignoring the fact that not only does it resurrect, it can also recharge. Imagine the following situation:

Day One/Day Two: Vote Rig when necessary to kill the town's most powerful role
Night Two/Day Three: Vote rigger is identified and killed/lynched (being optimistic)
Night Three: Resurrection beings
Night Four: vote rigger returns
Day Five: Vote rigged again to kill towns most powerful remaining role
Night Five/Day Six: Vote rigger killed a second time.

In exchange for a mafia and a clue, the mafia team has successfully wasted four lynches/kp and sniped two town. This assumes that the priest is able to survive the resurrection, but knowing our luck with clues in past games, its not that big of a stretch.

I'm proposing a blacklist that will result in the lynch of anyone who selects it. The roles that should be on this list are up to debate, but here is a start:

Agent of Chaos
Admiral Akbar
Prince o Darkness
Mafia VIII Traitor
Pardoner
Caller Godfather
Mafia XII Godfather
Copy Cat
Janitor
Framer
Politician/America/Kingsmaker?

I'm also thinking any lynch evading abilities should also be blacklisted. If you're going to be lynched there is probably a reason for it so that includes:

PYP 3 Veteran
Hero

On May 14 2011 13:30 Incognito wrote:
List of invisible posters:

GMarshal
Kitaman27
tnkted


Lets play nice
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 15 2011 04:29 GMT
#349
On May 15 2011 13:12 Node wrote:
I picked [9][1]. I guess I'm not the only one who likes lucky number 9.


Mission success. Node has been denied. I was [9][1] as well.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 15 2011 16:37 GMT
#387
There are an awful lot of people are are content to pm their numbers and sit back without commenting on the set-up.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 15 2011 17:26 GMT
#393
On May 16 2011 02:16 Radfield wrote:
I'd like to hear what kind of stuff you think is more useful for an inventor who's alignment is unknown. Any invention made will show up in the day post, so it has to be something unambiguously pro-town, or the inventor will get lynched. This happened in PYP1, when the inventor made a cel phone. His intention was to start a PM circle, but a cel phone can be used for other purposes, like detonating a bomb for instance. Bulletproof vests are great, as they are unambiguous in their purpose, and benefit town much more than mafia(assuming the inventor is mafia-aligned).


Bulletproof vests that explode when given to mafia?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 15 2011 20:36 GMT
#413
On May 16 2011 03:24 Fishball wrote:
I like an item that reveals the number of moles in the game, the only unknown variable.


We know there are six mafia in total so 4+2, 5+1, or 6+0 doesn't really seem all that helpful.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 16 2011 23:31 GMT
#568
deconduo
-Announces he will select the "fun role" rather than following any set plan
-Makes no comments on the set-up, but promises to play "pro-town" later on
-Claims to choose his numbers in order to appear at the middle/end of the draft
-Publicly informs that he is considering traitor and VI. Then mentions that traitor is "too risk". Why does he find it necessary to inform us that he is considering taking a role mafia would never pick?
-Weirdly defends Fishball above

He has my vote for now. I'll post more later.

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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 16 2011 23:47 GMT
#572
On May 17 2011 08:44 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 08:31 kitaman27 wrote:
deconduo
-Announces he will select the "fun role" rather than following any set plan
-Makes no comments on the set-up, but promises to play "pro-town" later on
-Claims to choose his numbers in order to appear at the middle/end of the draft
-Publicly informs that he is considering traitor and VI. Then mentions that traitor is "too risk". Why does he find it necessary to inform us that he is considering taking a role mafia would never pick?
-Weirdly defends Fishball above

He has my vote for now. I'll post more later.



Actually I think lynching me isn;t a bad idea. I have a feeling I'm a mole. Also I didn't get any role so I don't mind too much.


Is this where we're supposed to say "don't lynch him, he's the village idiot!"?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 16 2011 23:59 GMT
#576
On May 17 2011 08:55 KillerSOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 08:49 infinitestory wrote:
On May 17 2011 08:47 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 17 2011 08:44 deconduo wrote:
On May 17 2011 08:31 kitaman27 wrote:
deconduo
-Announces he will select the "fun role" rather than following any set plan
-Makes no comments on the set-up, but promises to play "pro-town" later on
-Claims to choose his numbers in order to appear at the middle/end of the draft
-Publicly informs that he is considering traitor and VI. Then mentions that traitor is "too risk". Why does he find it necessary to inform us that he is considering taking a role mafia would never pick?
-Weirdly defends Fishball above

He has my vote for now. I'll post more later.



Actually I think lynching me isn;t a bad idea. I have a feeling I'm a mole. Also I didn't get any role so I don't mind too much.


Is this where we're supposed to say "don't lynch him, he's the village idiot!"?

sounds more like unabated apathy to me

Deconduo, did you ask for an extreme anti-town role like you said you would?



It could also be journalist. Although I doubt it this early in the game.


Are you saying the mafia decided to frame deconduo, pm Ver the phrase, Ver pms deconduo what to say, and deconduo posts all within about 10 minutes?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 17 2011 00:18 GMT
#585
On May 17 2011 09:16 Kavdragon wrote:
My gut reaction is to call Decon's bluff and lynch him. I think that he's obviously implying that he's the village idiot, but I doubt that he actually is. More likely he's mafia just trying to avoid a day one lynch.

That being said, I think that the more reasonable course of action is to ignore him for now.


Say one thing, do the other?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 17 2011 10:55 GMT
#667
To all the people who believe deconduo's vanilla town claim. How does that make sense? He is not playing a unmotivated town, he is trolling. I think its pretty clear he is playing the "I'm the village idiot card". So how do we treat this? Since the game doesn't end after a VI lynch, there is little difference between lynching him and night hitting him. He clearly has no intent to help town and if we allow him to survive he may use a VI WIFOM argument in the future when he continues to act scummy.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 17 2011 22:28 GMT
#713
On May 18 2011 06:49 Foolishness wrote:
Seems to me deconduo is an obvious green (or village idiot).


Could you elaborate what makes you think he is obvious green? VI perhaps, but what makes you think he green?

He wants us to lynch him because "he thinks he is the mole". He feels as a vanilla, it would be most useful if he were lynched. He has provided no attempt to help town. Are you guys inferring deconduo is the type of person that would rage quit the game because he didn't get the role he wanted?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 18 2011 00:02 GMT
#742
On May 18 2011 08:59 Fishball wrote:
For shits and giggles, I talked to BC on MSN and gave him my incomplete-preliminary Mafia list. I'll be sure to brag after the game if I get anything right, *cough*.


I don't trust BC. You should share your list with us instead.
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