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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 08 2011 20:29 GMT
#13
/in as a replacement.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 02 2011 16:51 GMT
#665
Sup fools. Time to read the shit out of this thread.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 03 2011 05:28 GMT
#726
Oh wow, missed this. Derp.

Thanks for not killing me ^^
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 03 2011 20:49 GMT
#735
It's too late to policy lynch him as is - tomorrow's lynch will have to be based off pure analysis, given that apparently our DT checks are not 100% accurate.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 04 2011 22:50 GMT
#772
On May 05 2011 01:08 Ace wrote:
*nod of acknowledgment*

Waiting on BB and Eiii to post their thoughts of the game so far.


Never wait on other people to post your thoughts. You just might end up waiting forever.

(I haven't vanished, I'm collecting thoughts to post later tonight when I'm not doing homework.)
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 02:54 GMT
#776
Ok, so I have reread the thread, and I think, in a LYLO situation, our best option is to mass roleclaim right now. Seeing as apparently we are allowed to post the text of our Role PM, I think it's time.

Actually, just to make 100% sure, We are allowed to do what tnkted did, right?

Right now, I'm a bit confused as to why people claimed blue and green, and immediately got lynched. tnkted's makes a bit more sense because of the color-coded thing, but I'm a little bit curious as to why you guys lynched bum. There was a lot of argument and not really that much being said.

One thing I have noticed, though is one name tends to come up as pushing for the lynch of both claimants: Jackal58. That makes him the most suspicious in my book. I want to wait for the mass roleclaim before I push anyone for sure, though.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 04:55 GMT
#777
...really? People really can't rag on me for being inactive if this is the speed we're going at.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 06:48 GMT
#779
Waiting on iGrok to confirm/deny the possibility of a roleclaim the way tnkted did it.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 17:49 GMT
#783
HONEST CITIZEN:
You are a peaceful citizen of Liquidville. How could a terrorist cell ever appear in your town?! Your goal is to survive and help town discover and kill the Sleeper Cell. You have a single vote by day.


There's the role PM I got from iGrok a few days back.

I'm going to say this again:

IT'S TIME TO MASS ROLECLAIM.

As far as I can tell, town doesn't really have a decent suspect in who to lynch, and we're in LYLO. I think the best option at the moment is to throw as much evidence as possible on the table, so I want to see everyone post their role PMs.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 19:16 GMT
#787
On May 06 2011 02:56 sandroba wrote:
Ninja'ed. So BB, why did you have to ask permission before claiming, seeing how so many people have done so by now?


Because I just joined the game, and was once modkilled for doing this exact thing, so I wanted to make 100% sure.

Really, not sure why this is a question.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 19:37 GMT
#791
Here are my two questions to everyone who's left in the game, and I'd like to see them answered.

1: Why in the name of sweet baby Jesus is Ace still alive?
I have seen his blue claim, its kind of weakly tucked at the bottom of a longer post. After bum's claim and lynch, I can understand not wanting to potentially kill another blue, but Impervious raises a good point:

On May 02 2011 02:39 Impervious wrote:
Well, if Ace is telling the truth, lets not make the same mistake that was made with bum. If Ace can still intercept messages, he can be of use to the town, so the Mafia will want to eliminate him.

So, even if you don't believe him, leaving him alive for the night is far more useful to us than killing him..... We'll get more information either way.


We left him alive for the night, and now he's alive. Also, if he really can intercept parts of the leader's messages (like he claims he can), I'd love to see them. That could lend some serious weight behind his claim.

Now, we can WIFOM all we want about how Ace could never be that stupid because it's far too obvious (but it could be just obvious enough that we all ignore it blah blah blah), but right now, here's what I know:

1) Ace is a veteran, extremely skilled player, known for his MAFIA play.
2) Ace has claimed a role, but I really haven't seen much information besides "Lol I'm Undercover Agent I shot GGQ he's scum love me guys" (And if you shot GGQ, where's the other night kill? Where is it? WHERE?)
3) Ace has claimed a role that to me seems rather broken and overpowered. Night shot plus the ability to read part of the sleeper cell messages? Color me skeptical.

Right now, I have a strong feeling that Ace is scum, and just playing you all for fools.

Anyway, second question: After bum died and flipped, proving he was telling the truth, why has his scumlist basically been ignored?

I'm beginning to seriously wonder about that. I've gone back, and his list consisted of: Ace, Jackal, Wiggles. He checked Jackal and got back "not enough info"... I wonder if that was actually random, or if Jackal might in fact be the Cell Leader? More importantly, though, after he died and flipped, why was there not an immediate dissection of everything he said, looking through his analysis, casting suspicion on those he fingered, forcing them to defend themselves. WHY WAS TNKTED, WHO CLAIMED GREEN, LYNCHED INSTEAD OF ONE OF THESE THREE? That was one of the worst town plays I've seen in a very long time.

(If anyone says "well, why didn't you do it then", I'm going to slap then, because I wasn't fucking there until way after the fact, and this is all stuff that should have been done the day after bum died, if not the night after.

Anyway, summary of my thoughts: Ace is scum, lynch him, town is dumb, being strung along by mafia. Roleclaim if you haven't yet. Just do it. We don't have any margin for error.

##Vote: Ace
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 19:44 GMT
#794
On May 06 2011 04:40 Ace wrote:
BB...read the thread. I've posted the messages and we've been through the NK discussion already.

FYI: I'm known for my town play more than my scum play. But both are so good I'm just a boss like that.


I've seen the messages, you could have very easily faked them.

Also, If you're more known for your town play than your scum play, then that makes me even more mistrustful of you still being alive.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 19:49 GMT
#798
On May 06 2011 04:43 Ace wrote:
discussions about bum's claim already happened also. Likewise he was a detective with an inconclusive result - that means he had just as much information as everyone else. Just because he flipped Town doesn't mean he's correct about everything.

likewise tnkted was lynched because no one believed his claim and he had a GREEN PM that no one else had.


Regarding bum: Doesn't matter if he was CORRECT or not, however,what does matter is we know that his analysis was pro-town. He was trying to catch scum, that means we can trust his analysis to 100% have good intentions behind it. That means it's worth looking into, if nothing else. It's worth dissecting, analyzing, it's worth throwing extra suspicion on everyone on his scumlist to see how they respond, it's a potential gold mine of information town completely ignored. It's not too late to get anything out of it, but it's getting closer.

And I know about tnkted's green PM. You seem to be operating under the impression I haven't read the thread, which is a cute way to try to marginalize me, but I am aware of most of the events of this game. My point was, we had a scumlist from bum that should have at least been in the conversation - but tnkted and his "green PM" were considered more important somehow. What should have been on everyone's mind was: tnkted knew what the town PM looked like due to earlier claims, why the hell would he be so stupid as to fake up a role PM that makes him look super fake? Answer: Extremely unlikely he would do something like that. He's not an idiot. I think town has been very misguided all game, and I'm noticing more and more it looks like you pulling the strings.

Be less condescending, and try harder
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 19:54 GMT
#800
If town really wants to lynch me and end the game, feel free. Thing is, I'm almost positive those driving my lynch are scum. Think about it: Anyone who's tunneling in on one person in a LYLO situation (which is exactly what's happening now with Ace/Wiggles/sandroba) is most likely scum trying to dominate the last day discussion, get a free lynch, and end the game. Nobody should be this sure about their lynch unless they already know the lynch is going to benefit them. And town can't know my death will benefit them, because they don't know 100% if I'm scum or not. Thus, I'm very sold on Ace being scum, and now starting to be suspicious of his "buddy" san, and Mr. Wiggles, as well.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 20:01 GMT
#802
On May 06 2011 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
First, we can try to mass role-claim, but that's not really going to help anything. Everyone knows what the Green Role PM looks like...


I couldn't find it after tnkted's roleclaim (and before mine), so unless someone's really fucking good at hiding it, I'm pretty sure that means it exists somewhere.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 20:03 GMT
#803
On May 03 2011 06:23 VarpuliS wrote:
This might not be relevant at all, but he's had this set up for basically the entire game.
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote:
Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later):
DSBETNLBNTF



Show nested quote +
Down-on-your-luck Stock Broker
Everything was going you way in the mid 2000s. Then the economy tanked, you lost most of your wealth, and your wife divorced you and took what was left! Now you are stuck roaming the streets of Liquidville. Because you are homeless, everyone in town is suspicious of you – investigations on you will always return “Not Town”. Fortunately for you, though, at night you can disappear into the alleyways, making it impossible to find (and then shoot) you!


DSBETNLBNTF. The capital letters of the PM match the breadcrumb he left. Either this is a genius fake, or he was smart and gave us a way to confirm him.


This is one other thing I just wanted to point out.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 20:05 GMT
#805
...and, nevermind, I just saw Wiggles' post. Dammit, now I look like a fool.

This confirms Wiggles as town to me, though.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 20:12 GMT
#808
On May 06 2011 05:07 Ace wrote:
good BB, now read the part where we got up to the reason for lynching you

4 of us are in the "most likely town" pool and 3 of you are in the "probably scum" pool. When you didn't post for a while some of us took that as a sign that you surely are scum. Jackal has been active, and Eiii is...well I'm not sure what the difference between you and him is to be honest. He's gotten a free pass also.


Inactivity is no excuse to lynch in a LYLO situation.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 05 2011 20:26 GMT
#811
On May 06 2011 05:21 Ace wrote:
we can't no lynch. Everyone is required to vote.


Did I say no lynch? Clearly, my vote on you speaks otherwise.

It's pretty clear you're trying very hard to piss me off through your condescending attitude, and you're trying to make me look as though what I say shouldn't matter. Basically, you want me to get pissed and rage, and you want people to ignore me and just lynch me. What does that say about you?
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 06 2011 16:21 GMT
#880
Goddammit. I had all 3 of you pinned as scum but couldn't convince town due to my inactivity and darm's scumtitude.

Ah well, GG. Ace - it is ridiculously hard to argue against you in that situation. I had to prevent myself from raging so many times ^^
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