Insane Mafia 2

On March 13 2011 12:52 Qatol wrote:
Kinda random, but TL Mafia's very own Ver is playing in the WTR1BE LAN (stream is in the streams list - the iccup.tv stream) finals. 3rd-4th match (CoL.rsvp vs. tQ.Sadist bo5) is playing what may be the last match right now (Sadist is up 2-0 right now).

Ver will be playing FXO.Sheth (whom he already beat 3-2 in the quarterfinals) in a bo7 finals which starts right after the 3rd/4th match. If you're at all interested in sc2, Ver would definitely appreciate your support.

EDIT: 3rd/4th match is over. Go Ver!!!!

On March 25 2011 07:20 bumatlarge wrote:


Where the fuck is this blue slip. Point to it.

On March 25 2011 14:43 bumatlarge wrote:I think orgolove is a better choice. He mimicked annul in trying to put dirt on my claim without giving an alternative, which annul had (unfortunately for our readers). I'd like to hear more on dec and grok when you get the chance.

On March 25 2011 14:43 bumatlarge wrote:
I feel both deconduo and iGrok were just following the annul conversation I felt they needed to give their opinions. I haven't felt the same way you do. Maybe that's just because they are supporting me.

On March 25 2011 15:30 bumatlarge wrote:


When you're blindly supporting Kav? He hasn't posted any reasons on deconduo and I think iGrok's actions are perfectly explainable as town. I haven't much reason why these two are suspects, and until Kav gives his reasons or maybe you do (lol perish the thought), I don't feel they have shown much scuminess.

On March 25 2011 05:00 Tackster wrote:
Mayoral Elections Recap: (In chronological order)

Tnkted [RETRACTED]
- Only person promising a 'free' vote (players decide n1 lynch)

GMarshal [RETRACTED]
- Reserves right to choose lynch
- Believes mafia/scum are heavily invested in getting the mayorship due to setup

Jackal [RETRACTED]
- Reserves right to choose lynch

Annul
- hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch
- poor listing of abilities
- claimed by several not to have good scumhunting

KavDragon
- hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch
- posting more about other people's campaigns then his own

GGQ
- hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch
- seems to have been forgotten about? Has posted since but reminded no one of his candidacy

BumAtLarge
- Offers to give his d1 lynch to RebirthOfLegends!!
- Claims Blue (Blue claim seems more due to logical motivation rather than a slip IMO)

RebirthOfLegend
- Reserves right to choose lynch
- Professes very strong scum hunting abilities
- Offers to stand down if there are no counter-claims to BumAtLarge alignment claim of blue

Kenpachi
- hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch
- Has mentioned his running twice but hasn't spoken of his abilities

On March 25 2011 05:01 Tackster wrote:
My analysis of the elections:

What do we need from our mayor?
The mayor lynches day 1. From many it has been made clear that as this lynch is a crapshoot it isn't terribly important who gets hit (Of course I care I just mean it doesn't carry much weight when you decide who is mayor).
For that reason the most important reason we try and stop a red/black alignment from getting the mayorship is longevity. We don't want to have to lynch his BGs to get at him. Because of this I have come to care less about the policy of d1 lynches in each campaign and more on whether or not they can scumhunt. This means I personally (and hopefully others) will worry about achieving a balance between paly experience and town telling when voting and NOT whether or not I have a say in the d1 lynch.

Outed Blue Candidate:
BumAtLarge has outed the fact that he is blue. What I don't understand is why people believe that we may end up with a 4-4 blue/black outing scenario. The way I see it a 50/50 lynch is an extremely pro-town opportunity. On that basis alone black should consider a blue cc. More to the point from towns POV the best thing to do is have a blue claim, wait for a cc and if it comes STOP THERE. We now have a 50/50 situation between 2 players and we don't need to vote either of them. I'm not going to bother explain why an uncced blue is clear so we then find that:

If a blue claims and there are no ccs he is clear.
If a blue claims and there are ccs NEITHER should be voted mayor.

Then our decision only becomes if the blue is cced do we want him as mayor. Personally I feel I would rather have a clear mayor with bad scumhunting abilities then a veteran played who is actually red/black.

I really want opinions on the above because I feel the fact I'm new might make that logic wrong. Tell me which you think is more important.

In BumAtLarges case I can see that while he doesn't have strong scum hunting skills (or so i hear) he could be clear. For me the decision is then probably made.

If a cc does turn up I would expect neither him nor his cc to be voted and instead someone else who meets the best balance on the veteran vs. townishness scale.

In fact in that situation I think the d1 lynch should probably be on the blue c.c.s.

Thats the end of my analysis rant. Next comes the voting so far...

On March 25 2011 05:05 Tackster wrote:
The information I have on the votes so far:
+ = semi-certain votes for
- = semi-certain votes against

Annul: (+1,-1)
RoL says annul 'doesn't suck' at voting
Meapak says he has 0 scumhunting abilities

Kav: (+1,0)
Jackal states he will vote Kav

GGQ: (0,0)
No mentions

Chaoser: (+1,-1)
Meapak says he will vote Chaoser if he doesn't retract
CubEdin is against a Chaoser vote

Bum: (+6,-1)
RoL will vote him in exchange for exclusive rights to his lynch
iGrok is voting Bum
Tntked is voting Bum
KavDragon does not support Bum
Meapak has Bum in his top 3
CubEdin supports Bum
Brownbear supports Bum
Coagulation opposes Bum

RoL: (0,0)
Meapak has RoL in his top 3

Ken: (0,0)
No mentions

Bum is in a clear lead here.


Issues I personally have with any candidates/tactics are as follows:

I feel Bum definitely cant give away his vote. The entire point behind voting a blue is having a stronger lynch chance d1 due to being clear and knowing the other blues. Even if giving the vote away means a stronger scum hunter would use it there is no way of knowing which alignment RoL is. If this were Epic Mafia I would be seriously worried about RoL for offering this trade as it seems against town. However things in forum mafia may be a bit different.

Chaoser made an interesting point which started a debate on whether to pick our mayor from the mini-game or not. The chances of picking mafia in the mini game are 33%. The chances of picking a mafia when the mini-game is excluded is 33%. The chances of picking mafia from the entire role of players is 33%. These numbers don't do us any favors. Seeing as having a clear from the mini-game is impossible, as there are no blues, I would urge this strategy not be employed. (Someone check my maths, but i'm pretty sure i'm right)

Chaoser mentioned he would sheep town on the mayoral vote - I personally cannot support a mayor that would leave anything up to chance, even an election.

Meapak mentioned that mafia 100% knows who town is:

Perhaps I'm taking his view out of context but this seems to be wrong on several levels:
#1 Mafia know who isn't mafia, not who is town
#2 Surely the third party (seemingly a second mafia) would also 'know' town.
#3 Meapak may misunderstand the tactics mafia will use in this game

Also Meapak has asserted he wishes to vote Chaoser but will vote Bum if Chaoser retracts. This implies he thinks Bum is clear (if uncced) but wishes to go for an uncertainty anyway (i.e. tunneling the mayoral vote). Surely in this situation logic dictates his vote be changed to Bum and not be dependent on whether Chaoser stands?
Misreading and misvoting - 2 attributes I don't want to see in the mayor

Lastly - and I apologize to my roomate for this ():
Jackal voted almost midway during night 0. I think LSB made it clear that vote didn't count but it was still made.
Deconduo offered an official and serious FOS so soon into the game…

Guys inform me if it's normal to behave that way or if in fact it's rushing it a bit...

On March 28 2011 14:32 Coagulation wrote:
how stupid would you be to go against like the entire town?

On March 28 2011 15:07 Lanaia wrote:
11. orgolove - Pretty much admitted to not even reading 50 pages. Town wouldn't do that. (likely)