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Mini Mafia VII: Guts and Glory

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OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 16 2011 19:52 GMT
#12
BLOOD AND GLORY /IN
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 17 2011 02:48 GMT
#84
I dunno it still seems better than DLYM -_-
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 17 2011 22:01 GMT
#139
I'm here guys. I'm just still getting the hang of analysis and really have nothing to say but you can be assured I'm watching. Also blowing each other up for no reason seems counter-productive so why can't we all just get along T_T

[joking tone]On the other hand next person to make fun of my name gets it -_- (rummages for detonator)[/joking tone]
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 17 2011 23:32 GMT
#144
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On February 18 2011 07:01 OriginalName wrote:
I'm here guys. I'm just still getting the hang of analysis and really have nothing to say but you can be assured I'm watching. Also blowing each other up for no reason seems counter-productive so why can't we all just get along T_T

[joking tone]On the other hand next person to make fun of my name gets it -_- (rummages for detonator)[/joking tone]

This is not good enough. If you read the mafia guides it's the silent people that gets lynched first. And no, we can't just all get along. If you keep quiet we can't get a read on you. Hence mafia can just lurk like you. And we will be forced to kill you off before we can go after them.

You could easily post your opinion on the no lynch suggestion, as well as how and when we should use our suicide?

For an example, it's my opinion that we should avoid rushing towards lylo. The longer the game, the more information we got.



Suicides really favor Scum unless were 100% sure which is nigh impossable as there's no DTs in this setup.

Lynching is a nessescity for town victory as it:

A) Its a non Suicide KP (although you could argue a mislynch would cause the same scenario as someone is killed due to night phase) along with information on perhaps motive and experience.

B) Its based on what we want unless we bandwagon on a scum sponsered victim.

Inactivity lynches don't work either as you could be hitting town at the sane time if the mafia is experienced and/or active.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 18 2011 18:20 GMT
#162
On February 19 2011 03:13 GMarshal wrote:
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On February 19 2011 02:20 Jackal58 wrote:
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On February 19 2011 02:02 Amber[LighT] wrote:
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On February 18 2011 23:17 Barundar wrote:
Agreed with deconduo, i usually wake up to pages. This is not the usual day 1 FoS circus for sure.

My problem with LunarDestiny's post is it's build up as a "here are my thoughts on 3 important people", but really it ends up not saying anything about them. The coag bit could be: I'm watching for if coag has actually changed his play", GMarshal... well he doesn't say anything about him, and the Chaoser bit sounds defensive. So I have to wonder, why does he post a for him pretty long post without any content? I find it suspecious, even if it doesn't mean he is mafia.

Earlier I posted a list of deconduo, LunarDestiny chaoser and Amber[light] as the most experienced, and there is bound to be a mafia in there. The chaoser vs Deconduo fight looks a lot like 2 townies fighting to me. Chaoser's posts where short and emotional, quite different from his long posts in mini mafia V, and deconduo went after him fearlessly, I'm pretty certain mafia would be more careful not to piss off people in a setup like this.

That leaves Amber and LunarD. Amber has not responded to my questions to his posts, and LunarD made a very fast FoS on Coagulation, and later a suspeciously empty post. So LunarD, what do you think of Amber's posting behavior, and Amber are you sticking with Chaoser and Deconduo as suspects still?


I'm not suspicious of Deconduo anymore. He's clearly helping out now and my only problem was that he was inactive. Not really much of a basis to lynch anybody.

I'm on the fence on Chaoser. On one hand we saw the completely useless joking posts that "irked" a bunch of people at the start, and it struck a nerve with me unconsciously, but I didn't want that to be "the only reason we lynched him." On the other hand I agree with his plan that we shouldn't lynch and bomb. It's actually one of the best ideas for us to follow; however we don't have much of a basis for lynching... but wait, YES WE DO.

In my earlier post I stated that everyone should post a list of suspects. Specifically 3 suspects that you would believe to be on the mafia team. Wow isn't that swell? Now since we clearly don't have everybody on board with this plan it's not going to work. People were also asking "why," well it's simple. THis gives the town an opportunity to know what everybody is thinking. It also gives everybody an idea of who's suspicious of who. It's all out on the table. We can then discuss the suspects without any hiding. Deceit is going to suffocate this town.

This also gives us a preliminary idea of our suspects. If there's too many random suspects (everybody picks 3 people in random orders) then we should go ahead and say that we're not ready to blow someone up. Lynching 1 person and then finding out he's just a townie is so much better than playing guessing games with 5+ potential targets. This also gives us some time before we begin voting and it's not going to be a surprise to the lynch candidate that he was chosen. If he's mafia then whatever... If he's a fanatic then hopefully he realizes that he should not try and be a hero and take someone with him.

Don't forget just because we list suspects doesn't mean that we have found any mafia. It's still Day 1 and we need to recognize that as well. I would also say it's important that we agree on not using any suicides at all for Day 1. I really don't think we could be so certain that we're going to hit mafia by sacrificing one of our own tonight. Our odds are much lower than later on down the line, and I've stated this before.

Now lets see...

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On February 18 2011 02:05 Barundar wrote:
On February 18 2011 01:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'

What criteria would you suggest for people to use when selecting 3 mafia, and why do you think it's necessary to guess on who the medic is? I've found that if you think someone is mafia, don't get distracted by trying to find connections to others, focus on one lynch at time.

In my opinion it would be great if people posted 3 suspects, but without reasons it's not worth much?

With that said...

I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.

Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.

Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.

It's evening/afternoon in EU at the moment. I know deconduo likes to lurk when mafia


Behavioral analysis. The backbone of playing mafia. Read up on it if you're not too great at it. We don't have a lot of posts to go through yet but the best way is to catch players when they make mistakes. Call them out. Players have already done that. Don't forget just because someone calls another player out doesn't mean they're automatically safe. If people don't give good reasoning then they should be looked at by other players. It's up to all of us to keep tabs on everybody in this game.

I want players to begin thinking about who the medic could be. Don't say it in the thread. This way when you see that name pop up in a list you can start working to save him/her. Medic anonymity is key in this game. Best case scenario is that we lynch mafia today, then the medic has a 1/8 survival. Worst case scenario is someone gets upset, blows himself and another fanatic up, and we lynch a 3rd fanatic, making the medics survival rate 1/5 for night one. That's almost an 8% reduction!!!

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On February 18 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote:
so, since activity has died down, and I want people to post
##Unvote
##Vote Amber[LighT]


please post, you have one post that looks constructive and then you vanish, when you vanish like that I have to wonder if you are off scheming with the anti town forces, so please post to reassure me


Quality over quantity my friend. I'm learning to post with more meaning since I typically would get ignored in games with nonsensical banter. You are clearly not following my plan and just gunning me down. I won't hold it against you since I get fans voting for me every game.

Since I don't want to disappoint I want to make sure I follow my own plan.

I want to keep Chaoser on my list of suspects. I am putting him at the bottom of my list though. I like his idea but he hasn't come forward and helped identify scummy players. A lot of players seem to believe he's scummy too and have posted reasons and have called him out on it and he gets quite defensive. And the suicide defense is never a good defense. If we all did that we would never lynch anybody and wait for mafia to pick us all off. We need more.

My most suspicious is definitely Jackal58. You FOS me without much defense. You call my initial post scummy. You won't even contribute other than useless one liners. And the kicker is that GGQ asked you to elaborate on my FOS and you refused to do so. You said it "has no substance." It's the only plan aside from Chaosers "don't lynch AND bomb" plan. You haven't posted anything better than what I have. That's textbook scumplay and that's actually something that RoL did to me in a past game IIRC. All you do is make simple refutes and then barely contribute. There's no way I can sit here and say to myself that you're around for the benefit of the town. You are not helping the town yet want to initiate a smear campaign against me?

My number 2 would be Coagulation, and this is a weak suspicion as well. Him and Chaoser both did the "blow my self up defense" and I, at first, felt it was okay to let it slide, but then he did it again and if we need to make an example out of players then so be it. I really feel like, with Chaoser, that this is a weak suspicion and I would like to keep both of them around until tomorrow. There's not enough on Coag for me to say he's the most scummiest. I also feel like he's going to be an asset late game and we need him around.

I believe we should lynch Jackal58 tonight, and not use any fanatic abilities. I would like the rest of the town to be on board with at least not using the fanatic ability. We only have a couple of pages of content and our most suspicious might be our best bet, but 2 and 3 on anybody's list right now is going to be weak since we haven't really dived into this game yet. Don't forget that it's still Day 1.

If I missed something someone wants to know let me know. I didn't get the chance to post yesterday but I should be around periodically today.

I don't need to write a book to say this is just more of the nothing you said before. That doesn't make me scummy. Nice OMGUS btw.


Ok, I dont see how you can say that Amber's post consists of "nothing" in it he makes a couple good points,
1.) Everyone should try to identify the medic so in case he seems likely to be lynched the lynch can be redirected
2.) We should all make a list of our top 3 suspects, he dosn't really clarify why but is seems like a good idea
3.) Generic do behavioral analysis advice
4.) pokes lurkers
5.) posts a list of 3 suspects
6.) replies to my poke

so it isn't "nothing" it just seems more wordy than is strictly necessary, but that isn't a problem




To be strictly honest all jackal seems to be doing is more useless one liners. And while I generally dont see post length as rediculously scummy indicator id really like to see more analysis and reasoning from him.

I have a problem getting behind a person who accuses without really explaining his intentions or why somebody believes someone who seems to be contributing is scum and Amber seems to be honestly contributing albeit I can see where I he is getting at in a way I dont think I quite agree with him yet.

Amber in the games ive seen with him generally has a good scum-hunting record and Jackals style seems to be referencing how hes playing.

Ill probably have to vote within the next 4 or so hours so unless more info comes up i have a good idea who im voting for. (Albeit i really dont think it will be Jackal unless he really slips soon).
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 18 2011 18:26 GMT
#165
On February 19 2011 03:25 GMarshal wrote:
of course, just as I say that you post ON , ah well, time to take a look at chaoser as a possible target, although he seems to be playing his normal style


naww its ok man im still new to mafia and im not used to making long posts like that xD
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 18 2011 20:09 GMT
#168
##Vote Chaoser

Moslty because i really cant see who else would be scum right now and im agree with Gmarshals conclusion :/

Coagulation is acting as normal unreadable
Amber has been disscussed to death today
Chaoser while weak still has something on him

If i see a reason to change before the deadline and i get the chance i will do so however but im nto sure how active i can be till around 8-9CST and tommorrow i will probably dead silent until around 7-8 EST as im on a plane (if i find Wi-Fi i will post though) but i will try to keep track as best i can.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 18 2011 22:34 GMT
#216
Oh what the fuck guys...

## Unvote
##Vote No Lynch


-_-

Suicide is not the answerrrr such a selfish act D:
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 19 2011 03:00 GMT
#256
On February 19 2011 11:14 GMarshal wrote:
I'll go for the pressure vote as well
##Unvote
##Vote Original Name


now contribute something! what are your thoughts on the whole situation?


Hey I said I was going to be inactive for the next while so give me a break.

On our current situation-

Right now Town is at a clear disadvantage and the popular targets seem to be:

GGQ
Amber[light]
Coagulation

And for some people very possibly myself due to my weird schedule and just when I find time to post.

Coag is just odd in his playstyle right now he's probably my biggest fear for town so I really don't know what to think about him. Amber I believe is town and GGQ inreally need to look over more If something of his catches my eye I'll make another post soon

We need to solidfy a lynch target now or not at all.

Remember, they are coming.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 20 2011 02:14 GMT
#357
Sorry guys ai had a 10 hour flight/airport time today blame Delta Airlines for me not posting.

Too be honest I really couldn't decide who to vote for anyways after a quick scan over them -_-

buut too late now
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 20 2011 03:44 GMT
#367
On February 20 2011 11:16 darmousseh wrote:
Freaking A, I voted coag because there was about to be a tie in order to break the tie, and we still ended up with a tie. Lynch amber tomorrow for sure.

baruder and ON, where were you guys?


Lower atmosphere surrounded by screaming twin infants.
With no in flight entertainment.
And my headphones broke.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 20 2011 04:20 GMT
#369
On February 20 2011 12:49 GMarshal wrote:
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On February 20 2011 12:44 OriginalName wrote:
On February 20 2011 11:16 darmousseh wrote:
Freaking A, I voted coag because there was about to be a tie in order to break the tie, and we still ended up with a tie. Lynch amber tomorrow for sure.

baruder and ON, where were you guys?


Lower atmosphere surrounded by screaming twin infants.
With no in flight entertainment.
And my headphones broke.


Sounds like a fun trip!



For furthur reference never fly Delta.

Ever.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 21 2011 02:56 GMT
#408
GG Scummmm

Man I though I screwed us xD
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 21 2011 03:03 GMT
#424
Also LSB why the fuck was our QT the how I met your mother fanclub

that show suuuuuucks D:
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 21 2011 03:09 GMT
#431
On February 21 2011 12:05 LSB wrote:
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On February 21 2011 12:03 OriginalName wrote:
Also LSB why the fuck was our QT the how I met your mother fanclub

that show suuuuuucks D:

OriginalName was killed by a bolt of lightning.

Guys! Still play! It's 3v2!


+ Show Spoiler +
jk, Game's over.

OriginalName is still modkilled though


T_T
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 21 2011 03:11 GMT
#435
The moon fell late
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 21 2011 03:15 GMT
#440
On February 21 2011 12:11 LSB wrote:
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On February 21 2011 12:09 OriginalName wrote:
On February 21 2011 12:05 LSB wrote:
On February 21 2011 12:03 OriginalName wrote:
Also LSB why the fuck was our QT the how I met your mother fanclub

that show suuuuuucks D:

OriginalName was killed by a bolt of lightning.

Guys! Still play! It's 3v2!


+ Show Spoiler +
jk, Game's over.

OriginalName is still modkilled though


T_T

I find the Philosophy quiet inspiring.

Stinson proposes that instead of wallowing in sadness and despair, humans can instead bring themselves up through sheer mindpower, and elevate oneself to greatness.

And it's a funny romantic comedy


Don't mind me I just really abhor RomComs.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 21 2011 03:18 GMT
#445
What If Delta didn't screw me over??
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