EPTOn February 18 2011 22:57 bumatlarge wrote:
you are mslegend? hahahahahahahahaha
you are mslegend? hahahahahahahahaha
Now I get where he got his username from. Kinda cool.
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Now I get where he got his username from. Kinda cool. | ||
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-GMarshal's plan: I attempted to start one in Orgah* but it collapsed. I feel it is a good idea but his implementation was bad/scummy. I would like to hear how he came about those groups? 1-3, 4-6, 7-9 etc. is the logical option with no chance of mafia setting it up. Remember these groups should just be for general discussion and not anything stupid like roleclaiming. Assume that one of your group is mafia. -As such, I'm going to try and form a cell with why and lastargument. I would encourage others to do the same. Deaths will obviously impact on cells, but that can be overcome by merging them. Or possibly even reforming groups at the start of every day? For example if people 2,3,5 are dead the first group would now be: 1, 4, 6 -We can rely on cops to some extent by counting KP. People seem to have forgotten that we can guess how much total KP the mafia have and use that to our advantage to work out if powers were used or not. -DTs are reliable as they will know when role reverser was used on them and are unaffected by frame/cover because they check role as opposed to alignment. Only problem here is the unknown number of godfathers. -Sorry if anything here was said earlier, I just skimmed through million pages of spam. *Yes I was mafia in that game, but I did it to appear town. | ||
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The rest are in timezones where they should have been around after the game started. | ||
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-I spotted this post by coag: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 15:41 Coagulation wrote: people who havnt posted yet. icemac JBright ohN astroorion ICanFlyLow CubEdIn Ser Aspi Gofarman It came to my attention because I wasn't on it when I should have been. However I then realised I hadn't seen any other posts by him. On checking his history he has FIFTY posts in the thread and only one stood out to me.... Even going over again I can't see any non-spam post. -I like this post by ohn: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 19:21 ohN wrote: 'Just finished catching up My thoughts: Cells are a good idea but GMarshal giving us predetermined groups that he thinks we should work with is pretty scummy. They weren't just like 1-3, 4-6 either, he moved them around to his liking. Not a good candidate for day1 lynch because I don't feel that that alone is enough to incriminate him but definitely FoS on him. I dont see how people think + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 12:40 chaoser wrote: Ok, so like Gmarshal said, we shouldn't depend on blues this game. Especially since RoL specifically said this game was to punish us for what happened in Salam. At the same thing, I don't think the mafia powers are all THAT powerful. Let them frame away, that's one less death to worry about. PMs are allowed but PLEASE don't just give out crazy info in them (roleclaim, etc.). The point of town is not to have 1 leader controlling everything but small circles that are separated so that if one goes down, the others can still operate. Let's all work together and not let a few players handle all the work (which always seems to happen). This means contributing pleaseee. Him noting that mafia isn't that powerful is something anybody could point out. Role reversal has huge potential but only if mafia has a confirmed blue. They still have to give up an entire kp to use it so they will not be open to using it without being absolutely sure. Role reversal on a townie does nothing except waste a kp. I'll probably end up voting for someone who hasn't posted anything useful or that guy who thought annul was inactive(lol). I haven't played with him before but thats a good start. -gryff: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 12:46 gryffindor wrote: I'm a veteran claims to me I don't like this at all. The whole banter between gryff and gmarshal seems off as well. In addition I've gotten 2 PMs this entire game: Original Message From gryffindor: do you have any reads so far? what do you believe i am aligned? Original Message From GMarshal: Hi! So,I'm curious as to what your reads are this game, care to share? Disturbingly similar. -annul: Something feels off about his posts as well. He seems to be a lot more spammy than usual. He suggests lynching chaoser because one of his posts was scummy, but doesn't elaborate why. He disagrees with the idea circles. He hasn't really made a single substantial post as far as I can see. | ||
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On February 24 2011 01:40 GMarshal wrote: You guys are not the only people to revive PMs from me, I also PMed Gryffindor (didn't get back to me), chaoser, deconduo, kitaman27 ,darmousseh (there may be 1 or 2 more I don't remember off the top of my head) I've also replied to PMs from other people, this is a way of forcing people to voice opinions by asking them directly, I don't see what your issue with me using PMs as a tool is, its a way for me to see what people are thinking and pressure them to post by making sure they cannot ignore the thread/questions. This is an issue how? I could see it if my PM read something like "hey I'm a vigi, tell me your role, NOW!" but this is just asking for opinions My issue wasn't that you sent me a PM, it was that you and gryff sent me an almost identical one within a couple hours of each other. This coupled with the fact that the two of you have been going back and forth without actually saying much makes me FOS you. | ||
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On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote: I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him. But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. | ||
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On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote: I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all. So your reasoning is: Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy. This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.... | ||
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On February 24 2011 06:16 GMarshal wrote: so basically the framer defeats both Cops and Detectives, wonderful, now that this has been cleared up allow me to state that DTs are semi worthless then and should go after people not in the spotlight, as those results will be the most suspect That lessens the power of the DT but they are still nowhere near useless. -They will can verify other blues -They still return the right alignment if role reversed -Mafia are forced to waste KP if they want to Cover/Frame | ||
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On February 24 2011 06:27 GMarshal wrote: Alright useless was a wrong choice, however I don't want people just going out and claiming DT just because they got red on a check on someone controversial, there has to be more substance to it, e.g. scummy posting associated with it, checked twice and got the same result, something like that Point 1 did not occur to me, great catch, although blues can still be framed Point 2 I dont quite get what you mean, can you explain it a little more Point 3 is the reason DTs should try to avoid claiming, to keep scum on their toes and force the expenditure of kps -As far as I can gather, even if framed DTs will still return vig/medic whatever. The only problem here would be the/a godfather -Again, as I understand it, if a DT was role-reversed they would return 'Townie' as opposed to 'Medic' | ||
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On February 24 2011 06:29 annul wrote: also hi. am out of class now why arent we killing chaoser or GM? im gonna go ##vote chaoser now myself. Hi, would you like to explain that vote? You have been acting pretty scummy so far. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 12:47 annul wrote: okay hi peeps vote chaoser. that post reeks of redness. p.s. still no role PM! On February 23 2011 12:51 annul wrote: nobody in this game should trust gryffindor whatsoever. i read orgah and i have NO IDEA how he didnt die like 5 days before he did also, he's a smurf and if you read this forum you should already know who he is ;\ On February 23 2011 12:55 annul wrote: it reeks of red because he is like "hey so theres weak powers in this game lol" which can only be known if he is a red, since if he was green he cant make that blanket claim and if he was a blue, he'd even be less inclined to make that claim the only way he can do that is if he is red and he sees the red team has weak or no powers On February 23 2011 13:23 annul wrote: same reason you knew the mafia was weak? On February 23 2011 13:31 annul wrote: pretty sure its better for people to post things in the thread -- much easier to catch red slips that way. if people only post in these mini town circles, then people are probably more inclined psychologically to trust their town circle and not consider them red, etc. On February 23 2011 14:33 annul wrote: but for real lets kill chaoser and GM On February 24 2011 06:29 annul wrote: also hi. am out of class now why arent we killing chaoser or GM? im gonna go ##vote chaoser now myself. Please tell me where amongst that pile of shit you 'explained' your vote. And no, 'lol you said mafia was weak' is NOT a good reason or explanation. Note, those are his non-spam posts. | ||
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On February 24 2011 07:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I assumed it would be obvious, but in that case I guess I will rename the roles. When you are a DT you are getting back the role of mafia/town and when you are a cop you are getting back the alignment of mafia/town. Understand? I will change the names to Vanilla Town and Mafia Grunt for the sake of understanding. From now on cops will return Mafia/town and detectives will return vanilla town and mafia grunt. So, hopefully I have this right: -A DT checking a medic will return 'Town Medic' -A DT checking a framed medic will return 'Mafia Medic' -A DT checking a grunt will return 'Mafia Grunt' -A DT checking a covered grunt will return 'Town Grunt' -A role-reversed DT checking a medic will return 'Town' -A role-reversed DT checking a framed medic will return 'Mafia' -A role-reversed DT checking a grunt will return 'Mafia' -A role-reversed DT checking a covered grunt will return 'Town' | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=14#272 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=16#315 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=17#335 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=17#340 Much longer, thought out posts. | ||
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On February 24 2011 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The only problem with this logic is that he was mafia that game, and played very aggressively against LSB to get him lynched. So you can't use this as a scum tell, but it does tell us that annul is capable of making long thought out posts when he wants to, so if anything, we should pressure him to do so. So annul, what's keeping you back from posting anything longer than two lines? You seem to have an opinion on some players, why not write anything substantial? Oh, yeah. Forgot to check role >.< Nevermind then. | ||
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On February 24 2011 09:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: No, it's still good, because it show us that when he's motivated he will take the time to go through the thread and analyze. That was how he was able to pick on LSB as someone he could make a fake analysis on. So this begs the question of why he hasn't been doing anything in this game. Is he trying to hide? Why? Or does he just not care, because that's not very good for town. Bored townie syndrome maybe. I dunno, but until he responds ##Vote: annul Reasons: -Lots of spam without any substantial posts -Baseless accusations on GMarshal + Chaoser | ||
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I'd like to hear from Coag and conversion a bit more. Gnight for now, hopefully there'll be a bit more talk while I'm asleep. | ||
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On February 24 2011 09:37 Coagulation wrote: sorry im not lurking i just got a pm from ROL telling me im stupid and need to stop posting cause people are complaining. that is all. im 100% reading and analyzing the thread. Feel free to ask me any questions or anything... Opinions on annul, GMarshal, gryffindor, chaoser. Opinion on cells. Now I really am going to bed >.> | ||
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On February 24 2011 20:42 gryffindor wrote: Deconduo, do you see how a scum could propose a cell idea? Yes, anyone could propose it. However that doesn't mean its a bad idea or scummy idea. Its an interesting concept and opinions on it are divided. Should you lynch someone for proposing Hypocop? In some situations it is a good idea, in others its not. You have to at the whole picture; how do mafia benefit, how do town benefit, how does this balance out. As far as I see it, there is no disadvantage in clean cells. Promotes discussion, planning, scumhunting etc. In cells with one mafia, the mafia can either play along and act normally in which case we essentially have a clean cell where mafia know whats going on. If the mafia tries to influence the cell then he runs the risk of being caught out, especially with an inexperienced mafia. It also forces to mafia to discuss and give opinions instead of just passing by in the thread with the bare minimum of posting. In a 2 mafia 1 town cell, you have a townie that will probably be heavily influenced. This could be bad if its an inexperienced blue. However this is highly unlikely (hopefully). In addition, each one of these means an extra clean cell. 3 mafia cell - lawl Overall I feel its a good idea. At the very least it has caused a lot of discussion and debate which will help with scumhunting. I do FoS GMarshal but for other reasons, not for the cell idea. | ||
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