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MAFIA! Lynch him! | ||
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And yes I have debated the fact that me posting this is going to make you spam more, because your ego on the internet refuses to let someone else dictate what you shouldn't be doing, but honestly it's annoying and childish...there's a whole forum called "general" where to whole object is to spam away nonsense while pretending to mimic a thoughtful conversation. I have mulled over the thought of not playing because I feel that this is a prelude of what to expect in game, and I would like to be the optimist and think that we are all above that level  Let's save the posting for when the game starts shall we? Not to mention when the game starts, if your posting frequency does not accurately reflect what happened pregame, you can bet your ass I'm going to be posting loads of analysis on why we should lynch you (yes, I'm even making empty threats now). | ||
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If you do not understand the above paragraph, I'd advise just taking my word for it, and rest assured you will figure it out eventually. | ||
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Gofarman's post. | ||
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If anyone's confused go read Mafia XXXV | ||
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Got to make him squirm a little more. Not to mention icemac is obviously town....at the very least you guys could vote Jackal so we get better confirmation on him, but I sure as heck ain't voting on a new player who clearly has no fear of posting in the thread. | ||
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On February 25 2011 05:49 deconduo wrote: So what gives you the right to pop in out of nowhere and drop a vote on the bandwagon? I'm unsure what to think of him at this point. After rereading the thread, something seems a little out of place with Gmarshal, annul, Gryffindor, and LSB don't you think? I want to pressure him more to see how he reacts, because currently his defense isn't convincing me he's town. And as I said, icemac is a good example of a new town player who people kill because he makes a noob mistake or something. I sure am not voting for him. | ||
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##unvote annul ##vote seraph | ||
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Kill seraph while I'm gone  | ||
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And yes, it is vital to the game that you all know this information. | ||
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At one point or another I caught both these players saying "lynch the other, then lynch me if they turn up green". DO NOT BE DISTRACTED BY ARGUMENTS SUCH AS THESE! Let's say we take their advice, and lynch one today. They flip green (which is most likely). What's going to happen is we spend the entire next day debating to lynch the other and some other random inactive (probably icemac, the poor guy). Most likely, the other of LSB/Barundar will get lynched. End result of all this is probably we lynched two greens AND we wasted two days and nights analyzing at most 3 people. That time could have been spent taking a more thorough analysis of other players in the game. Not to mention by the time the next day roles around there will be about 4-5 more townies dead from night kills. "But Foolishness, what if (insert LSB or Barundar) is actually mafia! Then we killed a mafia!" Cool, that's really wonderful, but we still wasted two days not analyzing anyone else. Not to mention the ONLY people that want to kill LSB or Barundar are: LSB and Barundar. A quick scan tells me anyone else voting for one or the other is doing it out of policy "Wow (insert LSB or Barundar), I never looked at it that way before! It's so obvious that (insert whoever you didn't insert above) is mafia!" Yeah great job thinking for yourself there; policy lynches are totally the way to play mafia. Let's take a step back and analyze the situation as a whole. LSB and Barundar call each other, both are confident enough to say "if he flips green lynch me next". Nothing much to say here. What's interesting is we have people on both sides of the argument saying "LSB/Barundar is totally acting in their norm...remember this other game where they did exactly that as a town?" That strikes me as very interesting because it means someone actually did their homework and more obviously, they are probably both town. The voting thread is even more proof that nobody really wants to kill them besides themselves, as we got people voting for gryffindor and icemac. This also seems more out of policy than actual analysis, as people are basically summing up their vote as "well, I'm not comfortable with killing LSB or Barundar, so I'll just vote this other guy who has been under suspicion all game". Also voting out of policy without providing credible evidence. (Yes people, policy lynches are bad) If LSB and Barundar are not acting out of their norm then who is? LunarDestiny and Seraph. I can easily show it just by looking at their number of posts. LunarDestiny: Number of posts before game starts: 12 Number of posts after game starts (up until now): 18 Seraph: Number of posts before game starts: 10 Number of posts after game starts (up until now): 13 For this, I will focus on LunarDestiny, we can deal with Seraph later. ##Vote LunarDestiny In Mafia XXXV LunarDestiny had 29 posts from start of the game until the end of day two. That's a 50% increase from this game. Sure numbers are kinda meaningless, but it's interesting how much posting he was doing pre game then as soon as the game starts he shuts up. There's definitely something going on with him. Additional information, as it was brought up not too long ago, at one point yesterday the vote was Annul 6, icemac 5. It was here that I decided I wanted to vote for annul to pressure him more, because I thought he would easily crack and show himself as mafia (turns out he did right before day was over). It's usually my policy to lynch inactives first day, so I felt a bit awkward about voting for him because I hate voting active players the first day or two. I sent a PM to LunarDestiny, explaining this and asking if he would vote annul. His response (I don't want to take up space posting the actual PMs, just PM me if you don't believe me): "I spent more of my posts talking about how I hate bandwagon... However, I can help call Annul out by posting how he is playing like he was in XXXV where his postings are similar since they are not logical." That's a legitimate response upon first inspection. But here's a collection of posts LunarDestiny made that regards bandwagoning: On February 23 2011 15:38 LunarDestiny wrote: Voting inactives are bad, but there are people who will only reply if their names pop up. I understand the game just started, but I think pressure voting to get someone start talking is good. What's bad is that if the person don't respond and bandwagon on that person happens. On February 23 2011 16:52 LunarDestiny wrote: @gryffindor You are saying that Ser Aspi read you as mafia and tried to convince town and not sucessful in doing do. While I agree that mafia won't recklessly risk themselves at leading lynches, I believe that they want to form a quick bandwagon on town. But you also said Ser Aspi tried to create a bandwagon which is what mafia wants to do. That should be a scum tell instead of a defense why he is town. If I missed one let me know, but it's clear there's very little indication of "I hate bandwagons!" Of course there's a little indication of this as he says it's a mafia move to ignite a bandwagon, but that's it. Of course what I'm getting at is that LunarDestiny wanted to dodge voting annul. If he didn't want to help me why not just say "i don't believe annul is mafia, let's kill icemac"? Maybe he's intimidated by me, or maybe he's mafia. (He did vote for icemac yesterday, which is kinda a bandwagon in itself, just not as big as the annul one). He tells me in the PM he will help me by calling him out in the thread. Let's look at some of his posts which are supposed to help me: On February 24 2011 14:05 LunarDestiny wrote: I want to ask you for the reasons why you switched your vote. And why do you think Gmarshall is a better lynch than Chaoser. This was his post after he sent me the PM. As we can see, he did try to pressure annul, but not in the way he said he would. Take a look at some of his later posts: On February 25 2011 06:34 LunarDestiny wrote: I read about the last three pages and found not very strong reasons that Annul is scum. I don't see much scum tell in his vote switch from Chaoser to Gmarshall. Annul did justify his vote on Gmarshall on why his plan is bad. Another thing people keep mentioning is the aggressiveness how Annul is playing which looks like how he played in XXXV where he was scum. The difference is there he was accusing LSB being scum with flawed reasons. This game, he actually justified his vote and did provide reasons unlike the old "LSB postings are spams and have few contributions." I played with Annul many times before and it seems that he is always aggressive on day1. XXXV: Accused LSB mafia because he spams and don't contribute much. Merc Mafia: Claimed medic to me (day vig) and planned to have 100% town victory. Survivor Mafia (ongoing): After the quick 3 people alliance, he rallied and formed the counter 5 people alliance to take control of the game. This game compared to other games I played with Annul, I consider that he is playing less aggressive. On February 25 2011 07:58 LunarDestiny wrote: Looked over Annul's posts: 1) He posts are generally short and don't have much content to them. I do find Annul saying Gmarshall is mafia based only on his circle thing is not convincing. 2) This is the part I disagree. Annul did what most people will do in this situation. He attacked someone whom he believe is mafia and defended himself when he was in huge danger of being lynched. If he didn't go after someone, ok... since not everyone got a mafia read on day1. And his defense on himself is normal behavior. To determine if he is really mafia, you have to look at the time when he felt pressured and tried to redirect the lynch to another person (Gmarshall in this case) and if there are any support from others. People did pointed out Gmarshall's circle thing is a horrible idea but no one voted for him after Annul's switch. Easily seen how he contradicts what he told me in PM. He wanted to "help" me so that I wouldn't become suspicious of him, yet he spends time half ass defending annul. I say half ass because of his reluctance to take an affirmative stance on the situation. He obviously voted for icemac, and made posts such as these: On February 25 2011 08:09 LunarDestiny wrote: ANNUL, can you response to some critical posts toward you and don't use one liner responses because one liner responses are hard to read alignment. On February 25 2011 10:25 LunarDestiny wrote: Annul, if you don't do anything people will not switch vote. This play style of yours is getting you lynched. While I still believe your aggressiveness is lower compared to other games, what makes you an easy lynch is that you don't reply with logical responses. I hope that is not what mafia is going for. Also, town players roleclaim regardless when they are getting lynched. That "you'll know soon after" is not general town play. Can you at least tell us what you observed? Well, time to vote... Icemac, you took a huge dive. Care to explained your voting or what you see on the thread? These posts indicate him saying "hey annul you're going to die unless you do something" and above his posts are saying "guys, we don't have convincing evidence to kill annul, he's not acting that different from his past games". The most important thing to take away from this situation is his lack to take an affirmative stance. On one hand you read this and think, "nah he couldn't be mafia with annul look at him try to tell annul to change his attitude so he doesn't die", and on the other hand you read his above posts and say "he could be mafia with annul because he tried to defend him". LunarDestiny does not want to take sides so he cannot be held accountable later. SUMMARY: LunarDestiny gave me an inaccurate PM, and then went back on his word on pressuring annul. He did not take an affirmative stance on what he thought about annul and voted for icemac. | ||
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On February 28 2011 08:56 CubEdIn wrote: Ok so tally is up, it's pretty clear that icemac will die. I guess that I'll vote for him as well, as I want to sleep, though the only thing that I can base it on is the fact that annul had the chance to try and shift his lynch on him and chose not to do so. But it's all too wishy-washy if you ask me. ##vote icemac This is the exact attitude that results in town lynching greens. | ||
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On February 28 2011 09:40 GMarshal wrote: Ok, so reading over Foolishness post and looking back at XXXVI only on thing stands out in my mind, and thats the fact that when LD was the SK he played aggressively pro town, I would have guessed that he would play the same style as mafia, however I could be wrong, and there is certainly something off about LD this game. I already said earlier that just by looking at icemac's posts I wasn't really feeling that icemac was scum, so I'll change my vote (again), I dont think enough people are going to switch over to actually get a lynch on LD today, but its worth a try, worst case scenario we lynch a town and end up with a lurker being forced to be more active ##unvote: icemac ##Vote: LunarDestiny When I remember reading past games, LunarDestiny always seemed to have a presence. You always had him in mind because he was always there contributing (or in one case, killing people). At one point I forgot that he was even in this game, which is a far deviation from his norm. I feel like he's purposely trying to be under the radar this game, while in past games he didn't seem to care. As mentioned, he was aggressive as an SK, but I've always thought people will act more like a town as an SK than a mafia. | ||
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