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Ok time to get started. We could potentially have a lot of weird/crazy mechanics in play so we need to be on the look out for anything. As was stated before (by why), there been numerous different factions in his previous games: + Show Spoiler + Inismór Mafia 1: Role List: IRA: Godfather: Diana Abonba Grunts: Andres/ATPGuy English: Godfather: GH Grunts: Ituralde/Sasaki Kojiro Pro Town: Donney: Seamus Davey: FactionHeir Mairead: Reenk Roink Neutral: Padraic: AVSM Heilyn: 'khaan Artair: El Diablo ------- Grunts kill once per night. Once both were dead, godfather could kill once per night. Godfather showed up as innocent until they had performed a kill. Donney was the detective. Davey was the gossip person, leaving clues in the writeups. Later gained the ability to either protect/investigate/roleblock one person per night. Mairead was the doctor, but also a non kill target for Padraic. Later gained the ability to roleblock the person s/he protected if they were anti-town. Padraic: The generic Serial Killer, didn't have to kill Mairead though. Heilyn: Welsh boxer, survive one night kill. Only had to survive. Artair: Late blooming Serial Killer. + Show Spoiler + Inismór Mafia 2: Mafia members: A Very Super Market Askthepizzaguy Csargo spL1tp3r50naL1ty TinCow Australian Cult Members: Methos YLC atheotes Kiwi Cult Member: atheotes Scottish killers: Thermal Mercury Warman Doctors: Dr. Yaseikhaan Lord Winter the intern Renata the Emergency Room specialist. Joooray the Pyschiatrist French Kidnapper: Sigurd Arsonist: Reenk Roink Original carer of Wee Sean: Sasaki Kojiro Town Drunk: GeneralHankerchief Priest: Centurion1 Queen: Chaotix Special Townie: Diamondeye Detective: Scienter + Show Spoiler + Riftwar Mafia: Role Allocation: I gathered the list of players, randomised the list via random.org 10 times, then simply matched that to my role list. First Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, The Nighthawks. Group of Assassins, using crossbows and swords, wearing black clothing, poison rings and sometimes teeth, with hawk medallions. Yasaikhaan Renata Centurion1 Second Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, Murmandamus and followers. atheotes: Murmandamus. Panthanian priest disguised as a Moredhel, objective to bring his 'goddess', Alma-Lodaka, back to life. Crazed Rabbit: Murad, unable to speak, as he cut his tongue out to prove his loyalty. A1_Unit: Gorath, secretly traitor, had to find Arutha to bring public knowledge of the second group to light. Secret Roles: Askthepizzaguy: Banath, God of Trickery, the hopeless quest and patron of thieves. Had semi-disguise as The Blue Rider, who is later known as Nakor. Chaotix: Sarig, dead god of magic. death is yonder: Alma-Lodaka, Valheru, creator of the Panthanians. scottishranger: Nalar, trapped god of evil. Able to force people to do almost anything, they showed as confused or with a strange look on the faces in the write up. Pro-town, Midkemia Greyblades: Pug (Keep orphan, turned master magician) Sigurd: Tomas (Pug's best friend, half Valheru, due to his armour) Beskar: Macros (The Black Sorcerer) Sasaki Kojiro: Algaranna (Elven Queen) Sprig: Calin (Elven Warleader, son of the Queen) Csargo: Tathar (Eldest Spellweaver) Elite Ferret: Arutha ConDoin, Prince of Krondor Major Robert Dump: Martin ConDoin, Duke of Crydee White_Eyes:D: Lyam ConDoin, King of the Kingdom of the Isles rhawn: Jimmy the Hand, later Squire James then Duke James of Krondor Joooray: Laurie, ex Tsurani slave, bard. Third Group: Mafia Faction, Kelewan, The Minwanabi House A Very Super Market: Lord Desio of the Minwanabi Khazaar: Lord Tasaio of the Minwanabi Shlin28: Teani, secretly traitor, agent of the Anasati Beefy187: Shimizu, Captain of the Guard Fourth Group: Kelewan, The Acoma House Zain: Lady Mara of the Acoma CountArach: Strike Leader Papewaio of the Acoma (Yes this is where our moderator papewaio gets his username from) Karo: Force Commander Keyoke, now Advisor for War, of the Acoma Fifth Group: Kelewan, The Anasati House johnhughthom: Tecuma, Lord of the Anasati GeneralHankerchief: Chumaka, First Advisor of the Anasati Sixth Group: Kelewan, The Assembley of Magicians Subotan: Shimone Captain Blackadder: Hochopepa Seventh Group: Kelewan, The Emperor and his bodyguards spltpersonality: Emperor Ichindar Double A: Magician Bodyguard A completely inoffensive name: Magician Bodyguard Eighth Group:Delayed Mafia Faction, Kelewan, Thuril Confederation LittleGrizzly Andres Reenk Roink Ninth Group: Kelewan, delayed pro-town group, Grey Warriors Iskander 3.1: Lujan KukriKhan: Saric Tratorix/Captain C: Dakhati Independants: YLC: Delayed Serial Killer, Cho-ja Lord Winter: The Upright Man It is not a stretch to assume there is going to be multiple factions of differing alignments in this game. However this is still speculation. The information we know for a fact is as follows: -2 Mafia Goons, 1 Godfather. Initially 1KP per goon, if both goons die then GF gets 2 KP. -No fool/idiot roles. -Each person is given a name/personality. These are taken from mafia players in the totalwar forums. I feel like we might be able to use the names like a weak clue system, but it will require a lot of research. Thoughts on people's votes/play so far: -fluffywhatever: Looks like an import from TotalWar? RNGs a vote on Misder as first post of the day. I don't like doing it but it seems to be common practice on the TW forums. -aidnai: Another RNG vote. Agrees with Node that coag is playing normally. -Coag/bum/ace: failsauce -why: I don't think I've seen him before, but so far I like his play. He did a bit of research into pever's previous games and called GCQ out on scummy play. Looks promising. -believer: edits, defends GCQ -darmousseh: I found him quite scummy initially in XXXVI, but that was more due to suspicious voting patterns than anything else, (sheeping scum  ) Votes Zerroth with decent reasoning. Seems good for now. Only problem I would have is that he is a bit lacking on activity, but its early yet. -gryffindor: Another possible import from TWI think? Claims Node defended coag where I don't think there was anything. Seems to be an experienced player that likes playing a lot of mindgames: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2011 16:17 gryffindor wrote: I see Coagulation is spazzing out. Why are you spamming the thread? I have a town read already, but I will not disclose on who, and a casual suspicion. I will have to wait to see if I can pick up on any associative tells from them in the future. I might be reading too much into the situation. I do not want to tip them off to tighten up their game, though, as I want to see them lynched. I am not really for Day 1 policy lynches if the person is town. Does anyone have any meta on Coagulation? I don't want to lose a player to a mislynch, though I do not know his alignment. Can anyone help out on this? Thanks! On February 11 2011 18:08 gryffindor wrote: unvote My vote was more for pressure than anything. It didn't really gain the reaction that I wanted. @Misder, why are you voting who you are voting? On February 11 2011 21:42 gryffindor wrote: I don't like your OMGUS, and I don't like your response to me, you're my top scumspect. Misder, can you give me a reference to your best town and best scum game? IGMEOY misder: OMGUS votes fluffy. Maybe an overreaction, but seems like a weird move because he's not inexperienced. Node: Tries to stop the coag clusterfuck by pointing out that coag is playing normally. Tries to get the town back on track to proper discussion. Solid town play imo. This post stands out: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2011 17:42 Node wrote: I don't follow what you said. You think my plan is to let Coagulation die (even though I'm apparently defending him), and then when we realize that he's not scum (which, as far as I know, we can't), come out and say "I told you so". Do I have it right? Today's Lynch: As for today's lynch, saying 'lynch coag cos hes bad lol 111!!' is a stupid idea. Zerroth is a much better candidate by all the reasons given by people voting for coag. He is known to lurk and not contribute from several other games. Vote: Zerroth | ||
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On February 11 2011 23:30 pevergreen wrote: Just a side note, in the first Inishmore game, you actually took the role list from a fake ending. There was no 'Artair' role, the 'Heilyn' role was the mafia mastermind, otherwise it is the same. Whops Thanks for clarifying. | ||
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-Try to get a read on you as I haven't played with you before. -Watching for any scumslips -Watching your analysis. Your way of playing may catch mafia off guard or you might get a good read on them. | ||
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On February 12 2011 04:08 GGQ wrote: Yeah, because this is the only game I've ever played. You're free to look at some of my other games if you want. There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or anything. Lots of people being pretty useless. I already know who I'd kill if I was maf... gonna be a boring night phase =/ unvote: Coagulation vote: Zerroth -Looking back at your history you haven't really been active in the last couple of games you've played -Feel free to suggest a plan yourself instead of complaining/moaning about it. -You are being wishy washy with your voting. First you vote coag because all the cool people were doing it. Then you got called out on it and you switch to zerroth because, once again, other people are voting him so its 'safe' FOS | ||
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On February 12 2011 08:20 darmousseh wrote: For those of you who aren't the bandwagoning sheep type or don't like killing inactives on day 1 (killing inactives first seems to be a common theme in tl mafia games) I found a solution. http://www.random.org/lists/ Simply copy the list of players, hit randomize and take the first result and vote for that person. *sigh* I had high hopes for you until this post  | ||
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On February 12 2011 08:52 darmousseh wrote: Haha, it's just a random thing I found. A lot of people were mentioning rng so I thought I'd show a little website I know of. I would not recommend voting randomly. On a random note, my university is the one that runs random.org + Show Spoiler + I'm not turning into BB I promise | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 11 2011 10:00 LunarDestiny wrote: Ok. I got a fucked up pm. AND my character happens to be gay. WTF. On February 11 2011 10:07 LunarDestiny wrote: Everyone, first find your character here. forums.totalwar.org/vb I found mine pretty easily. Also will name claiming be any help in this game? On February 11 2011 13:01 LunarDestiny wrote: Coag is actually very good at scum hunting. He played ton of games. He just don't like to write long post to convince others. On February 11 2011 13:13 LunarDestiny wrote: Put foot in mouth. I herd you liek me, so I put me into me to make meme. On February 11 2011 13:28 LunarDestiny wrote: There are also no ‘joker’ or ‘actor’ roles. No one will obtain victory by being lynched. Just want to restate this because I will be force to do a couple of things very silly. My character is fucking stupid. On February 12 2011 05:17 LunarDestiny wrote: I will be busy throughout the first day. I'll catchup on monday (day2?). I see people are exerting huge pressure on one person. To me, Zerroth is playing the lurking/inactive style like the last game. It'll be great if it will make him more active but it is like mafia can slip by unnoticed if it stays like this. Also placing a vote to avoid modkill. Vote: LunarGotNoDestiny He made no particular effort to change the lynch which leads me to believe that he didn't know he was linked to zerroth. Considering it took a measly 5 votes to lynch zerroth it doesn't look like mafia (or any other party) made a significant attempt to redirect the lynch. Another point to notice is that there was only 16 real votes placed out of 30, and these were spread out over 11 candidates. This is shockingly bad play. We need to be a lot more united to make any headway in this game, especially considering that there are probably several ~3 person factions with alternative victory conditions. If we allow scum/3rd party to lead the lynch wherever they want we are totally screwed. I know this was day one and there isn't a lot to go on, but we seriously need to pick it up a bit. | ||
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On February 12 2011 21:28 johnhughthom wrote: Vote: Zerroth Just woke up and don't have time to read what happened when I was in bed before work. Votes without giving a reason near the deadline to ensure zerroth gets lynched. On February 11 2011 14:26 GGQ wrote: Wow looks like other people got really fun roles. Mine sucks. Could at least have given me a vigi shot or something to make up for it. Oh well. Vote: Coagulation On February 12 2011 04:08 GGQ wrote: Yeah, because this is the only game I've ever played. You're free to look at some of my other games if you want. There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or anything. Lots of people being pretty useless. I already know who I'd kill if I was maf... gonna be a boring night phase =/ unvote: Coagulation vote: Zerroth On February 12 2011 18:08 GGQ wrote: Let's not be too hasty. We have to be careful with our lynches, since that's our only killing power. Or at least, it's my only killing power QQ And since apparently people get mad at me no matter whom I vote unvote Zerroth vote GGQ So much scummy posting here I don't know where to start. Votes for coag when its easy, switches to zerroth when its easy, switches to himself while saying we should be careful with our lynch. | ||
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On February 13 2011 02:46 LunarDestiny wrote: WTF. The time the voting ended was so unexpected... This shit is crazy. Pevergreen, so what am I allowed to talk about? Hey, assuming you are allowed, did you know you were linked to zerroth? If yes why didn't you try and save him? | ||
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-Only 2KP went through -Two of the teamliquid vets were targeted. -Ace was trying to kidnap/kill Kagemusha when he himself was killed. I'd be interested in finding out who that was, feel free to PM me if you wish. So we have someone with what looks like a scummy ability dead, which is good. I thought ace's play was off and thats probably why. Whether or not he was mafia or 3rd party I don't know. If I had to guess, I'd say he was a roleblocker though. I'm not too sure how the DTs will work in this game, but I would advise them to be wary of forming a circle just yet. Considering the likelihood of separate factions, even someone checked as town might not be completely safe. However if you have a guilty, try and form a case against them. Do an analysis and start pushing. Medics should be looking at veteran players as they are being targetted. I'm going to look over Ace's posts again to see if I can glean anything from them, | ||
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On February 14 2011 06:41 bumatlarge wrote: Ace uses the word "kidnap" aidnai, while you say you were hit. Were you informed of being hit? We'll need to look into "Kagemusha" but I don't think aidnai would risk lying that he was actually him. Having a role that reverses the kill unto the attacker seems a bit unfair, but we don't know your penalty so whatever. Ace is already dead, so it's in our favor if he's red. Killing aidnai wouldn't prove his role, since we can already assume he is kagemusha. Looks like GF can die before grunts... Anyway, regardless of exactly what happened between ace and aidnai, we can't resolve it with a lynch (ace is dead aidnai would just pop kagemusha). I think we should set it aside unless Ace and aidnai can provide anything else. As for a lynch, I'm very suspicious of deconduo and this post right after the night. First part is obvious stuff plus asking for a PM. Last part is blatant blue advice AFTER night instead of before. I'll ignore this because there has been so much nonsense I could pick at in this thread. The middle part interests me, as I'm not certain why Ace's ability had to be scummy. Now that aidnai claims against ace it does, but before it I couldn't jump to that conclusion. I'd like for deconduo to elaborate on that reasoning. -To do with my personality -Blue advice: Couldn't have come to those conclusions before the night obviously. Also surely giving blue advice during the day is better? -The flavour text implies kage was taken against his will, so I associated it with a non-town ability. I can't think of any pro-town ability that involves kidnapping. | ||
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On February 14 2011 08:23 Ace wrote: I wasn't Scum. Don't you think it would be really amazing for me to die Night 1 as Scum by either Vigi/SK hit or aidnai's supposed power? If I was Scum why of all people would I want to kill him? Why target aidnai? | ||
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On February 14 2011 08:33 Ace wrote: Like I said, I attempted to kidnap him because of something kitaman told me. No where does it show that aidnai was actually physical harmed in any way. Also someone else hit me that had no effect from aidnai. So his "power" is a lie or he's just confused. Me kidnapping him wasn't the reason I died. I was actually hit - not him. Reading for the win :D Reading over again, his power activates on death. Considering he's not dead it means it hasn't activated yet. | ||
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On February 14 2011 08:41 Ace wrote: exactly my point. Now read what aidnai said: Maybe he just got excited and jumped to conclusions thinking he was the cause of your death. So I couldn't have activated his power. He seems overly confident in thinking this is true doesn't he? | ||
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On February 14 2011 08:41 Ace wrote: exactly my point. Now read what aidnai said: So I couldn't have activated his power. He seems overly confident in thinking this is true doesn't he? EBWOP Maybe he just got excited and jumped to conclusions thinking he was the cause of your death. | ||
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Scummy voting, scummy play, inactivity. I don't agree with the misder bandwagon and would encourage people to switch. | ||
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On February 15 2011 05:24 Coagulation wrote: we should look at brownbear and bumatlarge i have a feeling if the mafia was picked by tl.net member than they are top suspects at this point. they have also both been posting bad. You do know bum was killed n1 yeah? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 11 2011 14:26 GGQ wrote: Wow looks like other people got really fun roles. Mine sucks. Could at least have given me a vigi shot or something to make up for it. Oh well. Vote: Coagulation Jumps on the coagulation bandwagon without giving any reason. Yeah, great response. On February 12 2011 04:08 GGQ wrote: Yeah, because this is the only game I've ever played. You're free to look at some of my other games if you want. There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or anything. Lots of people being pretty useless. I already know who I'd kill if I was maf... gonna be a boring night phase =/ unvote: Coagulation vote: Zerroth Calls people useless after not contributing anything himself. Switches his vote from coag because he's under pressure to explain said vote. Still doesn't say why he voted coag in the first place. Doesn't say why he's changing to zerroth. At this point zerroth was a 'safe' lynch for scum to switch to. On February 12 2011 09:39 GGQ wrote: There should be some red text in your role pm telling you how you are supposed to act. Can we lynch a mafia already? Useless post On February 12 2011 18:08 GGQ wrote: Let's not be too hasty. We have to be careful with our lynches, since that's our only killing power. Or at least, it's my only killing power QQ And since apparently people get mad at me no matter whom I vote unvote Zerroth vote GGQ Changes his vote AGAIN. Once again doesn't say why he voted for zerroth. Does another scummy thing in voting for himself. Is apathetic. On February 12 2011 23:14 GGQ wrote: If there's a gunsmith role or something, give me a gun, I wanna kill someone :D. Calls for a gun... Either a scummy post if serious or a useless one if not. On February 13 2011 08:27 GGQ wrote: It's GGQ, not GCQ. Not sure where that started. Corrected, sorry. However this doesn't contribute in any way/ On February 14 2011 10:45 GGQ wrote: vote GGQ sorry, busy today More uselessness On February 15 2011 01:55 GGQ wrote: It's GGQ. I'm not mafia. It'd be more fun if I was, but I'm not. Ok, I take your word for it tldr: As I said yesterday, not one helpful or non-scummy post. Scummy voting with no explanation or reasoning given for them. I would be very surprised if he is not mafia or his personality dictates he behaves as scummy as possible. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Spam On February 12 2011 06:29 ilovejonn wrote: Or maybe his role is to be inactive. But either way I'll be voting Zerroth for the time being until he posts. ##Vote: Zerroth Gives a reason at least. On February 12 2011 10:46 ilovejonn wrote: It ends 4 AM EST for me.. which I will be sleep. Spam On February 13 2011 07:49 ilovejonn wrote: Wow, I kind of surprise only need 5 vote to lynch somebody. >__> Also, is this the second day now? Or night time? I'm not sure about the phases, but I also don't want abstain from voteing. Spam On February 13 2011 07:54 ilovejonn wrote: Okay, thanks you. Spam On February 13 2011 12:48 ilovejonn wrote: I have feeling some of the active posters are going to be night kill. >< Spam On February 13 2011 13:20 ilovejonn wrote: Oh right.. forgot about that. Well at least that counters the inactiveness. Spam On February 14 2011 17:04 ilovejonn wrote: I hope it wasn't a pro-town vig role who targetted kitaman27, what the heck. Spam On February 14 2011 21:00 ilovejonn wrote: holy crap, 5 people modkilled. zzzzz Spam. Also while this is purely off my own experiences, posts like these are usually made by scum trying too hard to be town. tldr: Not even one substantial post. Nothing particularly scummy however, apart from the last post. Unless he steps it up he would certainly be on my lynch list. | ||
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