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On January 24 2011 07:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 07:27 Kavdragon wrote:
1 Mafia, 1 Town BG:
This is the worst setup, and is likely what would happen if we tried to choose two mafia. As has been stated, this would essentially mean that the mafia could trade one of their own, for me. Bad trade for the town.
I would gladly trade myself for a mafia. The census is nice and all, but eliminating a scum would surely be worth the loss. Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 07:27 Kavdragon wrote:
The first check would go to finding the number of Mafia. After that, I would decide what to do based of of what happened during the day. For instance, while I agree with Kita that checking Mafia constantly would be nice for getting information out of lynches, I think that we can squeeze more information out of it.
Knowing that someone is mafia only helps if they are connected to someone else. As such I would only check mafia consecutively if the lynch target had a convincing connection to someone else. The problem is that the mafia are always connected to each other. They know each others identities and will attempt to manipulate the town into saving one of their own. The ability to interpret lynch results should not be sacrificed in order to receive novelty information.
Trading damn near anything is worth it for a scum player in this game imo.
I think the first census to check the number of scum in the game makes the most sense that way we wont spend countless pages trying to figure out what the number of NKs do or do not mean. I don't think it'd be as beneficial to keep checking their numbers every night with it. It may be more useful to figure out the amount of blues we have to discern better plans of action, but I'm not entirely sure yet.
Also just popping into to say I'm alive hii
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On January 25 2011 02:35 Kavdragon wrote:So, perhaps I'm naive to have tried this, but my support for BG volunteering was based off the fact that Vet's should KNOW that they should reveal themselves, and townies should also understand this. Thus, when the volunteers are asked for, they will more likely be townies. The mafia would also know that there is a strong likely hood that they are townies, not Vets, but they would not risk wasting KP on them. This would both protect the BG's who are not Vets and put the real vets in a position that is more likely to be hit. Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 16:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think someone mentioned killing OriginalName if they were elected, although I don't see anything saying the mayor gets to kill someone. Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 12:33 LSB wrote:On January 24 2011 12:30 LunarDestiny wrote:
Do we have a lynch on day 1? The Mayor sends in who to lynch for day 1
You realize that whole stance is a big wifom type of thing right. I suppose making the mafia more uncomfortable is always a better idea. But the chance will ALWAYS exist that the BGs could be vets because nothing is really confirmed for anyone, especially in this snazzy set up. So claiming or not, or saying things or not doesnt really make much of a difference if all you're aiming for is some kind of mind game.
Because in that sense those things already exist
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On January 27 2011 05:00 Eti307 wrote:
Sure the game is about analyzing, but before the first kills/night actions it's hard to actually analyse anything imo. There will be much more discussion to do once the first night is over
Well especially in a set up like this it's harder to gain as much from NKs, because naturally not all of them may be town. The sk could hit a mafia etc, and you have no idea what you lost. All you can hope to grasp at is the fact that someone is dead, and they were likely town, it can be a large waste of time to try and discern why because mafia may have weird reasons we are unaware of because they have more information than us.
So really all you're waiting for is more people to be dead lol, but the extra clues will be nice
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On January 27 2011 15:21 Coagulation wrote:
i dont like not knowing what roles people are when they die
makes it 100x harder for town. i dont see how this could be balanced fairly.
I would think it's the clues that help balance it out a bit, plus maybe we get more blues or something
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On January 28 2011 13:38 BrownBear wrote:Moving on to the really important bit: ANALYSIS OF HIS POSTS: Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 18:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
hey! I will run for mayor too.
My platform is only that I will destroy the souls of mafia.
That is all. His first post after the game has really gotten started. I can't tell if this is a subtle critique of Kav and kita's silly mayoral platforms, or whether he actually was serious from the get-go. Regardless, he gets more serious about his platform quickly: Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 23:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 23 2011 22:56 Jackal58 wrote:On January 23 2011 18:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
also why does everyone keep talking about Qatol? Hes not even in the game o.O? Pffff. And you're running for mayor? Do try to keep up my good sir.  I haven't actually read most of the thread yet. Kav is a decent and level headed townie, although I don't remember ever seeing him as mafia. I tend to be much more erratic of a player but I do get results whatever we choose I am fine with. Oh wait nevermind. A soft endorsement of Kav. Going off of meta, which I agree with in terms of Kav being a good player and a reasonable dude. I'm sure he gets serious about his candidacy at some point... Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 09:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Do I vote here? I don't see a thread so I will assume yes. I will vote for Kavdragon I suppose.
##Vote: Kavdragon Not yet... Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 18:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
TMM2, Insane Mafia, Merc Mafia would be accurate to my current play style. All my previous games as mafia would not be accurately representative of my current skill. If you want an overview of my play style I will just tell you.
As a town I am generally more aggressive, while as mafia I am more conservative with what I do. Although I think the play styles would be harder to tell apart, I think a distinct difference which I know I used to make and work to rectify is that as mafia I will be more focused on a few individuals while as town I will focus on many. The reason being is as mafia its harder to create a fake case that you can believe in and believing the viability of what you are telling people is the most key part to any game as mafia. When you are lying you have to know your story has as few holes and logical inconsistencies as possible. If you look at Merc mafia and read how I played I made sure not to mimic previous play styles and played hyper aggressive, although that could be attributed to the fact that Annul/LD teaming up would of lead to our demise. If you read what I wrote from my perspective I was much more coherent than Annul and my points kind of stuck together and I rarely attempted to make huge jumps. Only at the end did it become much harder to keep my story but that was due to the complexity of the game and the hassle that contracts created.
I think the biggest tell I have as mafia is my behavior on AIM. I generally obsess over mafia games and read it for hours and hours each day until I die. As town I tend to post whenever I feel like it but as mafia I only post when I feel it is necessary. IE: I will feign inactivity to avoid commenting on a situation, or make sure I wait until its too late to reverse a stupid band wagon. Usually if I do the latter I will purposely try to divert the lynch to a team mate that way if either one of us dies it makes the other look better via wifom.
Now as far as this game goes, I am honestly just tired and I know this game is going to be a fucking shitstorm if you guys haven't learned ANYTHING from previous games. If you took NOTHING from Salem, if you took NOTHING from PYP3 then this game is going to be fucking gay as shit and we are going to get RAPED. Let me explain why.
In those games people flipped and eventually you kind of got an idea if someone was full of shit after 3 mislynches, but in this you don't know if something is a mislynch so you can have one asshole doing clue and behavioral analysis killing town left and right and you don't know if hes right or wrong. If everyone is focusing on that one person to champion them to victory you are going to doom us. Especially if the mayor is mafia. The ONLY way to confirm if any mafia have died is with 2 census reports. One today on mafia count and one somewhere down the line. The problem with that is if the mafia gets mayor we have no idea if we are on the right track and could easily get manipulated into having another game where we have 9/10 mislynches.
Here is how we counter this. Everyone fucking analyze everything. Do not EVER let one person do all the work, to win this game the town has to keep analyzing. Everyone has to analyze and we have to decide what has the most merit as a collective. If you have a few people doing analysis we will lose in this game faster and harder then in any other set up. Seriously guys. This isn't a fucking boot camp, this isn't some let us baby you set up. In this set up if you are lazy, if you fuck up, you lose us the game. This game requires an effort from EVERY townie to actually win and fuck if we get a mafia mayor then we are fucked. If any single person seems to be trying to take control of the town and who we lynch that is suspicious because channeling our lynches on the thoughts of one person who we can't prove there worth is going to make us die.
Now to business. I ain't fucking mafia. If you make me the mayor I will do everything I can to ensure that we stay organized and have EVERYONE doing analysis. If you aren't going to put work into analysis then you need to get the fuck out of the game the express way, via death. Anyone who is scared to contribute is most likely mafia not wanting to be suspicious and if you refuse to contribute you should be considered top of the list suspicious. Now onto why I think the other candidates suck.
DoctorHelvetica is okay and organizing the town but he ALWAYS takes a too central role and runs around in circles chasing his own tail until the mafia decide to put him out of his misery. Look at Salem. If this game is played like Salem where everyone just agrees on what one person says we are going to lose, and we are going to lose hard. DoctorHelvetica has never proven himself able to handle the town without putting too much focus on himself. The worst part about this is his town play that I have seen for mayor would play so hard against us, and if hes mafia he just has to do the same shit and keep the town tunneled and making bad decisions and we are boned. DoctorHelvetica will be an EXTREMELY dangerous mayor to have one way or the other and he is not worth the risk.
Kavdragon I feel a lot better about. He's a pretty level headed guy in the games I played with him and as he showed in Merc Mafia hes not above manipulating the shit out of people. Although he is a nice guy and I don't know if he could be direct enough to yell at people and get people killed when it comes down to it. Can you berate someone until they contribute and do what you want? Can you do the analysis and the follow through to take down scum? I know Kavdragon is decent but I don't think he has the experience like I do for this position. Although I don't believe he is mafia. I haven't seen him play a game as mafia yet and he seems like the cautious type who wouldn't put himself out there without experience. What I mean by that is if Kav was mafia I think he would play more layed back because hes not as familiar with what to do, while if he was town he would be more outgoing and confident in his play and run for mayor.
Those are my current thoughts on the election. I obviously think I am better qualified than anyone else for the position and I think I am our best bet to victory. Overall though the best chance for victory is in the towns collective efforts. This is the game where all the mafia has to do is shut down the active contributors and win because we are in the dark. However if the whole town is active that plan doesn't exist for them. The only way to win this game is through overwhelming effort and activity. Lets the last game I play show that TL town's have learned something from bootcamp, let this game show that even when a game forces the town to use every ounce of cunning we have to win that we can step up and do it.
Let this be the game where the town overcame the mafia. BOOM. There we go. This is his real platform here. The most important thing here is, he tells us his playstyle. I've only played a couple games with him, but he plays pretty much like he said, so he is telling us the truth here. Not a very scummy move at all, giving the town the key with which to catch and lynch you. He goes on to talk about metastrategy regarding the other candidates. Here, I think he sells Dr. H a little bit short, (I think Dr. H is a pretty good player and a decent scumhunter) but he's very clear about what he wants the plan for town to be: He's not taking a central role, all faith is not placed in him, he's just playing the role almost of cheerleader, getting town to get psyched about catching scum, getting them all involved. That's not a scummy move at all, in fact that's the opposite. A scum mayor would be much more like "trust in me guys, I'll save you!", then lead town in circles while mafia ate them alive. RoL wants town to win, that much is clear from this post. He disappears for a while after this post, which is kind of strange. I guess his apathy got the better of him... He comes back after most people have abandoned his campaign and tries to save it with a few one liners that outline good strategy, but in a really lazy, half-assed way. Then: Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 13:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I don't believe in a mayor centered town obviously. That is stupid. I am going to try to encourage everyone to contribute and analyze because that is the only way we are going to win this game. We need to make people talk and make them slip up if they are not town aligned. The only reason I want to be mayor is so I have a longer period of time where I can try and make people contribute and attempt to be a voice of reason. So Amber, how are things? I find it interesting that you quick response my prod when I know you do 4 day work weeks at home and somehow don't really contribute much besides responding to that  Anyway, I am going to girlfriends for a few hours. When I get back you will all get more. This is the core of his platform, and rehashes the above long post into a much more cohesive idea: Mayor-centric towns lose games. This is true. Also, he calls out Amber, which ended up being inconsequential - so far. Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 13:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I like your reasoning Kav all up until the bit about the mason's. By the mason joining with the mayor it is creating a circle so to speak which I believe is what will do us in. We can't have all our ideas coming from 2-3 people. I want everyone contributing and by creating a circle you destroy possibility of that. I don't approve of any plan that puts powerful people and powerful roles together when they can't be confirmed. It leads to players looking for guidance from those who they perceive as "knowing more".
Mason's are an interesting role. The way I'd recommend playing it would be to try to recruit those who you think are town and treat everything they say as if you think they are mafia. IN PMland people are more likely to slip up and say something stupid. They are also more inclined to try to hard manipulate someone through PM's. From a mafia perspective it is MUCH safer than manipulating people publicly. Anyway, the mason role needs to be constantly vigilant and never too trusting.
I will switch my vote back too kav. Good honest debate here, discussing how the mason role works. Again, so far I haven't seen anything that's triggering my scumdar. I could go into Day 2, but not enough has been posted yet. CONCLUSION: It seems the only real case against RoL is from his inactivity Day 2 + one really tenuous clue connection. He's been outlining some very helpful practices town should be following, hasn't contradicted himself yet, and hasn't done anything obviously scummy. The only weird thing is his apathy. He's come out and posted great stuff, but very sporadically, and his heart doesn't really seem to be in this game like it has in the past. For that reason, I'm pegging him as Green, and a very apathetic green. What RoL should do is try and recapture some of the energy of past games, and get his ass in gear to provide this high quality analysis he says is coming.
ehh while I'm not feeling the whole jump on RoL thing either I feel you clear him too easily based on almost leading yourself into passivity. I'm not sure the implications of decisions like this, but we can't really be waiting for people to 'slip up' or make obvious contradictions, because experienced players like him are far less likely to do something so blatant to everyone else. Sure he could define his meta and play like it but that's.... so easy isnt it? I mean there's no hard evidence against him, but there's no hard evidence for him. It's pretty hard to be getting too much on people this early into the game. Clues help, but it seems so far these clues have a few interpretations and the flip thing hardly comes into play after one kill sooo, keep an eye on your favourite people! I know I've got my eyes on people, but no one has really done anything, but we can't exactly wait can we...
It's good that pressure is being put on people, I mean I keep pressuring myself to post more but I have to fight people around me just to get time on here lol, so I usually just have time to keep up on the thread but not write anything out.
And why are impervious and lunar arguing over behaviour above me? If you think someone is guilty VOTE EM, post em, attack em!
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On January 28 2011 17:04 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +Clues help, but it seems so far these clues have a few interpretations and the flip thing hardly comes into play after one kill sooo, keep an eye on your favourite people! I know I've got my eyes on people, but no one has really done anything, but we can't exactly wait can we... You seem to be writing in a very non commital way, softly pushing for RoL. Your post comes off as wishy washy. Mind posting some of the people you are keeping track off and why? Personally I disagree that we can't wait with lynching one of the potential deadliest townies. Regarding tube he was just as inactive as this in HPmafia, he managed to not get modkilled for like 3 days, with 1 post and 1 vote per day, and not a word on mafia IRC. Tube if you really want to play mafia here, start posting, or you got another modkill and a ban comming your way...
just watching the more well known names, cause they are dangerous fellows if they plant zee seeds of evil in your mind!
of course im not committing to RoL that's the whole point. If I thought he was worth killing then I would vote for him, I just dont think people should dismiss others so easily as well.
I'm confused as to why you label him as a townie then you say we shouldn't wait to lynch him. Was that a scum slip?
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On January 28 2011 17:17 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 17:11 Divinek wrote:On January 28 2011 17:04 Barundar wrote:Clues help, but it seems so far these clues have a few interpretations and the flip thing hardly comes into play after one kill sooo, keep an eye on your favourite people! I know I've got my eyes on people, but no one has really done anything, but we can't exactly wait can we... You seem to be writing in a very non commital way, softly pushing for RoL. Your post comes off as wishy washy. Mind posting some of the people you are keeping track off and why? Personally I disagree that we can't wait with lynching one of the potential deadliest townies. Regarding tube he was just as inactive as this in HPmafia, he managed to not get modkilled for like 3 days, with 1 post and 1 vote per day, and not a word on mafia IRC. Tube if you really want to play mafia here, start posting, or you got another modkill and a ban comming your way... just watching the more well known names, cause they are dangerous fellows if they plant zee seeds of evil in your mind! You dodged my question on posting a list. While one of the more well known players will probably be mafia for balance, it's usually a ton easier to find their newb team mates, and even experienced players will screw up in the long run - the fact they are even alive in end game is scummy. Show nested quote +of course im not committing to RoL that's the whole point. If I thought he was worth killing then I would vote for him, I just dont think people should dismiss others so easily as well. What do you think of him then?
if i post the list that devoids my entire point of the list right now. It's not like i make crazy spreadsheets or anything like some people, i justttt remember
I think RoL is just another dude coasting along, hell he's probably even a blue but I dont really see him as too mafia like atm.
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On January 29 2011 06:38 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 06:25 Coagulation wrote:
lets just lynch this coag dude and get him out of the way so town can focus on actually hunting scum
Jesus, if that's the attitude you're taking, why did you even bother signing up in the first place?
yes i have no qualms with my vote because of that
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On January 30 2011 08:49 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 06:58 LunarDestiny wrote:On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all? I also agree vig should not claim before shooting because it means nothing. A mafia could as well claim before shooting but it will lure dt toward his way. Alternative suggestion is if a vig really want to claim, he should claim much before the night ends so dts have a chance to check that shooter. This will greatly discourage mafia to claim vig. I didn't say I agree vig should claim before shooting. I just said if vig wants to claim before shooting, he should claim ahead of time and should not claim to be shooting in the last hour. Reason for vigi to claim: To get a confirmed townie. Why waste a DT check on someone who can confirm himself? We know night KP is 3, and unless RoL is the laziest SK ever, it will be 3 tonight as well. Anything above that is a vigi hit. Why are you worried about a mafia claiming to have done a vigi hit? It's just a matter of the real vigi counter claiming, and then we are trading 1 of us for 1 of them by lynching both. Reason I would suggest vigi to claim before the day post is that he knows for certain there will be clues towards him in that day post. Mafia can't be sure if they are the ones who will have clues against them in the day post, so fakeclaiming before it's posted is a gamble for them. I agree with medic protection on LD, some great clue analysis done by him. I'd suggest DivineK in addition to other suspects for DT check, I think he responded badly to my pressure.
Isnt there a ton of scenarios where vigi trying to claim and call out his hit goes wrong? Like he could just be a mafia member, and then the NKs could end up as 3 or even less than 3 and there could be any number of reasons for that like: mafia stacked, mafia hit a vet, mafia hit med prot, mafia hit sk
i dont really see how he can be confirmed unless all kills are successful and the NKs are indeed 4
and even if he does get confirmed what good is that? So he's confirmed what GOOD is a confirmed townie, sure you can trust his opinions but lets be honest that doesnt mean anything he says is going to be RIGHT and the person who claims vigi is probably going to otherwise be inactive and useless lol. So I suppose it could be better than nothing
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On January 31 2011 06:20 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 06:19 Kavdragon wrote:On January 31 2011 06:16 GMarshal wrote:
My apologies for disappearing for almost two days, my computer was broken and I was unable to get online, (on the bright side, new graphics card an ram), I'll catch up with the thread ASAP, but for now I wanted to point out that I was saved from a hit last night. That is all until I catch up with the thread Lol, and the missing hit finally shows up. And possibly the reason the SK hit wasn't sent in :p
you know tongues aside that makes some sense.
The SK would want to claim that he was saved, because if mafia hit him and he didnt claim they would almost know for sure that he was SK, I mean why else wouldnt you claim?
If med saved you would want to claim. If you were a vet you'd want to claim cause you already soaked up your hit.
Because then if they assume he's SK they'll want to push his lynch right away. So if he makes them think he's not SK then kekeke safe for another day or maybe even forever
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On January 31 2011 12:00 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 11:58 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:55 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Nemesis: I still think he's an SK. But it's just usually lurker posting and these clues that make me think so. Now hes a lot more active with his name in the light, which isnt a good comparison for his sake. If we want to drop the KP to a greater extent, he's the way to go. If we are looking for mafia, he's too self-oriented to really plop a scum sticker on. I find it hard to believe that a town could so readily differentiate between a mafia and SK. Both will lurk and the clues won't tell the difference. Calling someone a SK is more of a mafia tactic to either cast suspicion upon a town or divert the lynch from one of their own. If your vote is on jackal based on the fact that he is not a bodyguard, then why not go against someone you are pretty sure is anti-town in Nemesis. On January 31 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:29 Kenpachi wrote:
you could still be SK from what your saying o_O Nemesis is the sk I'm blue. Err, another blue claim? Guess it already worked for Coag since he is still around. (Shouldn't have have gotten popped during the night?) Since you are already claiming, would going into role specifics be something that could save you? Clues fit Nemesis. Nobody defended him on day 1. Ergo SK I'm Veteran. But you won't know that til I'm dead. What you will know is I'm town when the next census comes back 5. The only thing blue on Coag is his balls. If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits. Nice blue claim to try and save your ass. I'm not responding to you anymore scum. Can you display in some way what strategy you used to try and draw a hit? No I can't I haven't attempted to get hit.
then why would you claim your role -_- it defeats the entire purpose of it
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On January 31 2011 12:13 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:11 Divinek wrote:On January 31 2011 12:00 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:58 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:55 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Nemesis: I still think he's an SK. But it's just usually lurker posting and these clues that make me think so. Now hes a lot more active with his name in the light, which isnt a good comparison for his sake. If we want to drop the KP to a greater extent, he's the way to go. If we are looking for mafia, he's too self-oriented to really plop a scum sticker on. I find it hard to believe that a town could so readily differentiate between a mafia and SK. Both will lurk and the clues won't tell the difference. Calling someone a SK is more of a mafia tactic to either cast suspicion upon a town or divert the lynch from one of their own. If your vote is on jackal based on the fact that he is not a bodyguard, then why not go against someone you are pretty sure is anti-town in Nemesis. On January 31 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:29 Kenpachi wrote:
you could still be SK from what your saying o_O Nemesis is the sk I'm blue. Err, another blue claim? Guess it already worked for Coag since he is still around. (Shouldn't have have gotten popped during the night?) Since you are already claiming, would going into role specifics be something that could save you? Clues fit Nemesis. Nobody defended him on day 1. Ergo SK I'm Veteran. But you won't know that til I'm dead. What you will know is I'm town when the next census comes back 5. The only thing blue on Coag is his balls. If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits. Nice blue claim to try and save your ass. I'm not responding to you anymore scum. Can you display in some way what strategy you used to try and draw a hit? No I can't I haven't attempted to get hit. then why would you claim your role -_- it defeats the entire purpose of it Because that option never occurred to me. I'm new at this and have a wicked habit of dying night one. First time I was something other than a vanilla townie.
It seems to me someone who actually had the role of veteran would take the few seconds back to understand the purpose of their role(in reality they'd probably think about it alot since y'know it's their role). So that seems to leave you as being the person who is not actually a veteran
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On February 01 2011 13:34 Impervious wrote:
I think we can get an idea of the KP of the mafia and how many SK there are (could be 1 or 2, possibly 0 if we got really lucky) by seeing how many people bite the dust tonight, and comparing it to the trends we've already seen in previous nights.
I don't see how knowing the number of SK being as important as knowing if we got a hit on the mafia or not - if we got it, we may be able to get a couple more in the next few days. If we wait a day to know, it may screw things up.....
At least, that's my thoughts on it.
I agree. I think more information is gained for us by knowing if we hit a mafia then trying to draw connections from that. Knowing the amount of SK is helpful, but it seems pretty likely based on the KP lately that it's either 1 or 0. And it's not so pertinent yet to need to know how many there are as opposed to how accurate our lynches are.
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On February 02 2011 12:13 GMarshal wrote:
Did you have to reveal that kitaman is a Medic? That puts him at risk, although if you are telling the truth we have to hang Lunar.
kita is dead so....
also this seems to make sense
look at the last clue
You'd better watch out!
I immediately headed back to the camp in order to find help. I grabbed the first person I saw, Deconduo and asked him to help me remove ilovejohn’s body.
Deconduo didn’t help me. As soon as he realized that I wanted him to go inside, he fled.
He didn’t get two steps before I killed him.
Serves him right.
There may be dogs about
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and then from lunars profile
"Crazy. Karma is a b****. Gets you every time. It's not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!"
finally something solid to go on.
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It's the first time anyone has put forward anything with any actual merit in mein eyes.
He has so many posts to go through oh my god
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On February 02 2011 13:03 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 12:49 GMarshal wrote:
LunarDestiny, are you willing to deal? Town could use a night kill and since you are bullet proof you have nothing to fear from mafia, at this point I think we could offer you survival for a while in exchange for your night kills.
(also what does the rest of the town think of this?) Why not? It's a second lynch without a lynch. Not like we can be any more fucked up than we've been.
are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you
an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win.
Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified
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allow me to ellaborate on my earlier point
having TWO kp per cycle is not as beneficial to town, because we have less information. As you can tell thus far our kill selections have been off the mark. The longer the game goes on the more info we get (clues + analysis) so the fewer kills the better. THUS only mafia would want to keep an SK alive to limit the amount of info town can get from clues (as some clues go to sk) and just plain THE GAME ENDS SOONER
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On February 02 2011 13:13 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 13:06 Divinek wrote:On February 02 2011 13:03 Jackal58 wrote:On February 02 2011 12:49 GMarshal wrote:
LunarDestiny, are you willing to deal? Town could use a night kill and since you are bullet proof you have nothing to fear from mafia, at this point I think we could offer you survival for a while in exchange for your night kills.
(also what does the rest of the town think of this?) Why not? It's a second lynch without a lynch. Not like we can be any more fucked up than we've been. are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win. Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified I dont think you get it we aren't offering LunarDestiny a choice between serving town or some better deal, if lunar deviates at all from the towns instructions (which I think we should determine by majority vote) he hangs, I dont see where the disadvantage to giving town a second KP is.
what, he's going to hang eventually anyways if he listens to you, because he confirms himself as the SK if he does. (or the other SK listens just to implicate him), or he could not listen to you and kill other people making it look like he's not the SK
there's so much wifom i dont see how you can think he'd want to listen to us if he was SK. If he's been found out like this he's going to die eventually, his best bet is obviously to deny all claims and play it off like he's NOT the sk.
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