LSB, is there a limit on when we can use items, and create contracts? That is can we use it during either day/night phase?

Also, when do the items/contract activate? As soon as you get them or at the end of day/night phase?

Nemesis

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January 08 2011 07:23 GMT

#60

On January 08 2011 09:07 LunarDestiny wrote:

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So are you suggesting that I hold off my shot? Should town also not vote to lynch on day1?
If you answer yes to both, then I have nothing else to say.

If you suggest that I not shoot during day and town still decide a lynch, then why don't I shoot first then we can decide if we want the lynch or not. I can only shoot before the day is over, after we get the result from the lynch, I can't shoot.

If I don't shoot, people won't believe me enough to give me protection and mafia will likely target me with their nightkill.

For information purpose: Yes, I am not forced to shoot everyday. But for day1, I will shoot to verify my claim.

I am now deciding how my shots should be decided. Whether to have open vote, private vote, analysis driven, I decide it myself, or something else.

I think he is just saying that it might be better to not use your shot the first day because we don't really have a lot of info on who to kill during day 1.

If we miss both shot shots during the first day, it will be lylo the next day 2-2. But if we don't use it and miss the first day it will be 3-2, and still LYLO. So I think it would be more beneficial if you use it during the first day.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 09 2011 02:40 GMT

#68

On January 09 2011 04:51 Kavdragon wrote:
Ok, so the reason I voted Annul was that he posted a bunch of questions, and then dissapeared. If you're going to be that active at the beginning, and being active is good for the town, why stop?

Is it a bad reason? Yes! Do I care? Not yet! Why? because I was planning on unvoting it. I just wanted to see what people thought of me voting without reason.

LB-Lynch: Unvote Annul

With that out of the way, I feel like the conversation has kind of dropped off, and I really don't like that. I'm not the best at finding scum, so I'm having a hard time working with the material that we have so far. I would like to see more discussion of items.

To start, should we discuss items? How much information is it prudent to let out? I mean, theoretically, the mafia know a lot about two members (themselves) where town knows a lot about only one person (themselves). So would it be a good idea to have a mass reveal? The town would gain more information than the Mafia...Would it be worth it? Is it a good idea for the town to trade items? Should the town try to end the game today with all the KP it has? Or take it more slowly, and try to make the game last longer?

These are all questions that I'm thinking about. I actually have answers to a lot of them, But I'd like to see someone other than me talking about this.

Also, please remember that there really isn't anything like a LYLO this game. If there's one mafia, and one town, town can still win. It ends when only one party is standing.

I don't really like any sort of mass reveal strategies. For one, we don't know what sort of items people have, so we don't really whether the information is going to benefit mafia or not, or if we can even take advantage of the information that we would gain.

For trading items, well I guess it would depend on the items. If the current holder cannot use the item, then obviously it would be more advantageous to trade items. And it was mentioned that some abilities require kronos, so it would be advantageous to those people for trading to be constantly going on for them to gather more kronos. But mafia could also have abilities that need kronos so it is a bit of a double edge sword. I still say trade though.

It is usually advantageous for town, the longer the game last, so I would say use town KP it when you think there is a good chance of hitting scum. Don't use it for the sake of using it. But in LunarDestiny's case(if he is telling the truth), I would say he should use it as often as possible as he seems to be able to use it once per day.

Well to get some more discussion going, why don't we start with the usual topic. First day lynch: Should we lynch inactive people?

Nemesis

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January 09 2011 03:27 GMT

#72

On January 09 2011 11:46 LunarDestiny wrote:

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First of all, my day kill requires no money.

If I have to give up all money I have to persuade town, I am willing to do it.
Think of it this way: If I am mafia, do you think mafia will be willing to give up half of their cash? Also, it would be stupid for LSB to give mafia an extra day kill because that would make the game so imbalanced.

As of now, my priority is to choose a target and prove my claim. Then I will try desperately to get protection against mafia's KP.

Can you only kill during the day or can you also kill during the night?

If you can kill during the night, then it would be more advantageous to use it during the night when we have more info to go with.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 09 2011 03:32 GMT

#73

Also, does your kill appear immediately or at the end of the day phase?

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 09 2011 04:01 GMT

#75

Well then, let's start talking about who he's going to use his kill point on then.

Should we use it on inactives?

So far, everyone seems to be present except for RoL and chipmonkey.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 09 2011 18:53 GMT

#99

Kavdragon, an analysis when we have so few post is not gonna get us anywhere.

I also don't really agree on no lynch as we are passing off the opportunity for a town KP.

I propose that we start with lynching inactives. It would encourage people to start posting more. RoL hasn't even posted here at all.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 09 2011 20:03 GMT

#106

Things are rather getting interesting...annul claims to be unlynchable. Well let's put that theory to the test. And what exactly is his ability to protect RoL?

##Vote: annul

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 09 2011 20:27 GMT

#112

Can you guys calm down for a moment and explain what happened in pm land?

Also, annul what exactly was your plan with the DT?

And RoL, can you give the exact description of what your bulletproof vest can do?
Can it prevent any night kills, but not item kills, or can it only prevent one kill or whatever?

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 10 2011 01:00 GMT

#140

On January 10 2011 09:47 Kavdragon wrote:

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It's been confirmed that he is NOT unlynchable. If you are going to stick with that vote, you're going to have to explain it.

Where has that been confirmed?

And if it was confirmed that is NOT unlynchable, doesn't that mean that annul just lied? What good reason can he possibly have for lying about that that is beneficial to the town?

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 10 2011 04:06 GMT

#145

I'll still stick to my vote of annul.

I rather find his arguments concerning RoL being mafia as crap. He is WIFOMing about having an ability to redirect, and that he should be trusted because LD trusted him.

Also, even though there is still the posibility of both of them actually being town, I find the timing of the kill rather convenient to be a coincidence.

Kavdragon, if you don't think either of them is scum, then who do you suggest we lynch?

I would also like to hear what Node and chip has to say about the current situation.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 10 2011 10:49 GMT

#165

On January 10 2011 04:38 annul wrote:
other than LD, ROL was the only person who knew my ability. also, LD said ROL was sending him the contract and that it would execute "when LD tried his day kill" -- ROL kept trying to impress upon me how it wasnt important to medic LD anymore since he had a vest now, etc.

perhaps ROL has a redirection ability. this way LD would have to use his kill before gaining "protection" and once he did, he would just be redirected to death anyway. when i was fishing and asked what type of role ROL had, he said "protection... or a form of it." if his item was the vest as he proclaimed, he shouldnt have said "... or a form of it." since "protection" would have been perfectly sufficient. but what is redirection? yeah, a sort of form of protection, yeah.

i am essentially permanently protected. if you want to use your kills on me, go ahead. is there really going to be a red role that essentially reads "you cannot die?"

once you try to kill me (repeatedly if you must) and see that i do not die, maybe then my blueness will be evident. in fact, i am currently unlynchable as well. or you could go the faster and easier route and just hit ROL for 1. knowing my plan and 2. destroying it, then taking what he knew to scapegoat.

##vote: ROL

What really makes me suspicious of annul is his attempt to lynch RoL. It looks like a desperate mafia attempt to save himself.

He is lynching RoL because "perhaps" he has a redirection ability, and "form of protection" as meaning it cannot be a BPV.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

January 11 2011 02:29 GMT

#230

Nicely played by RoL

kavdragon, blowing everyone up sounds like a bad plan XD

As for the game itself, I felt that there really weren't really any item that I could buy. The only things that people were really willing to sell are things that would blow me up. Probably more items that the original users can't use would be great. Also, yes too many KP.