Woot woot! Let's get going on this.

So, yes there are alot of items and strange dynamics to this game, but this does not eliminate the need for discussion and analysis. So, with that in mind, what do we want to discuss?

Merc Mafia specific game dynamics:

*How do we want to treat the extra KP that the town has?

*The RPG can't be used by the person who has it, should we assume that the rest of the items work this way? How does this effect the town's strategy?

*It would appear that we have no traditional blue roles. There may or may not be items to fill in this gap. If we assume that everyone has a item/ability, and it's KP related, then the town has a big advantage if they can utilize it.

I have some other questions, but hopfully we can start a discussion with that.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 07 2011 04:56 GMT

#39

Hmm. It seems likely that the mafia will not have the ability to kill you during the day, so I think that we can wait on giveing you protection till you make your kill. That way we can verify your ability claim.

Then again, would day kills show up immediately, or on the night post?

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 07 2011 05:28 GMT

#43

That sounds like a reasonable idea to me. Let's get this discussion rolling.

I personally think that you should shoot a lurker. I doubt that the mafia will risk lurking if there is the threat of an immediate kill looming over their heads. And even if we do hit a Townie, at least non of the mafia will be lurking, and we'll be able to find them through analysis.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 07 2011 05:47 GMT

#44

On January 07 2011 13:51 LunarDestiny wrote:
I can shoot every DAY, not night. AND I can shoot as soon as the game start.

Wait, does this mean that you can fire two shots the first day? One at the start, and one during the day? Or did you just mean that you can fire your daily shot as soon as the day begins...

Also, Can we begin trading now, or do we need to wait for the day to officially begin?

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 07 2011 18:10 GMT

#49

I don't think that it's necessarily that dead of a game, even if we miss both targets. We would likely still have people who would have night KP, and they might be able to pull it off. However, I do agree that it will be very shaky if we do miss them.

It seems like the town has been given a lot of power, and if we aren't careful with it, we'll get ourselves all killed. That being said, the 96hr first day should give us a lot of discussion to analyze. I've been struggling with what the town should do with their ability/item(s), and I think that the answer is just to play it by ear. If we have clear targets, then we should use the extra KP that the town has. If we don't then perhaps it is more prudent to wait till day 2. Either way, I don't see this game going to day 3.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 07 2011 18:47 GMT

#51

Well this certainly changes a few things.

Something that I would like to point out, is that I believe that every townie has a ability, or item. This means that the town is incredibly powerful right off the bat. It wouldn't be a balanced game if the mafia didn't have something to even the playing field. Also, the town has the ability to kill at least two people today, while classic mafia would have to wait till the end of the night to kill their first person. This is a pretty huge advantage, so I'd expect something equally OP for the mafia. Let's not underestimate their abilities. (And yes, this means that I have to reconsider just how likely it is that Mafia would not be given a day KP like LD has.)

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 08 2011 04:53 GMT

#56

We have a virtual free day here. Let's not forget that when factoring in how much information we have.

Here's how I see it. We all discuss who we want to lynch. Once the day starts, LD kills them. Then we have another 48 hrs till the next lynch. Because LD has claimed, we get a free day. This should mean that we will have enough information to go by if we are all active. So heck, why not start voting?

LD-Lynch: Vote Annul

Reasoning to come...

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 08 2011 07:03 GMT

#59

On January 08 2011 15:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I have plenty of time to obsess over this game.

Please do!

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 08 2011 19:51 GMT

#62

Ok, so the reason I voted Annul was that he posted a bunch of questions, and then dissapeared. If you're going to be that active at the beginning, and being active is good for the town, why stop?

Is it a bad reason? Yes! Do I care? Not yet! Why? because I was planning on unvoting it. I just wanted to see what people thought of me voting without reason.

LB-Lynch: Unvote Annul

With that out of the way, I feel like the conversation has kind of dropped off, and I really don't like that. I'm not the best at finding scum, so I'm having a hard time working with the material that we have so far. I would like to see more discussion of items.

To start, should we discuss items? How much information is it prudent to let out? I mean, theoretically, the mafia know a lot about two members (themselves) where town knows a lot about only one person (themselves). So would it be a good idea to have a mass reveal? The town would gain more information than the Mafia...Would it be worth it? Is it a good idea for the town to trade items? Should the town try to end the game today with all the KP it has? Or take it more slowly, and try to make the game last longer?

These are all questions that I'm thinking about. I actually have answers to a lot of them, But I'd like to see someone other than me talking about this.

Also, please remember that there really isn't anything like a LYLO this game. If there's one mafia, and one town, town can still win. It ends when only one party is standing.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 03:46 GMT

#74

Both questions have already been answered. It shows up immediately, and he cannot kill at night.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 04:11 GMT

#76

I can vouch that both are active in PM land. I believe that chipmonkey is reading up on the forum at this point, and RoL has already made his intentions clear.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 06:30 GMT

#89

On January 09 2011 15:20 annul wrote:
ok so literally if there is a DT, i can promise you the game is over if you claim to me.

if you are dissatisfied with my plan (once you prove DTness), lynch me.

Lol, game over for town, or mafia? =D

I'd like to hear what LD has to say about this.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 17:28 GMT

#95

I'd actually agree with Annul on this. I think that everyone should vote "no lynch". That way once we actually do want to vote for someone, we don't lynch anyone unless over half of us actually vote. I wish we had something like this in TMM3.

I'm not pressing for a no lynch, but I think that everyone should vote that, so that the default is no lynch. Just as a security measure, if there's only two people who vote, I'd rather not let only them control the lynch.

##Vote: No lynch

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 17:46 GMT

#96

Oh, but don't forget that we need to vote for LD's target. I believe he said that he wants to take the shot in the middle of the day, so that would be tonight at 7. Not a ton of time, so let's get moving on this.

A few people that I'd like to see/hear from are RoL, who disappeared right after he said he would be "obsessive" over the game, and Chipmonkey, who has a few posts, but hasn't contributed a whole lot.

Also, regardless of the items, we should not drop off analysis. I plan on posting an analysis later, but I'm going to be away for several hours so it may be a bit late in coming.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 21:15 GMT

#125

In my experiance, heated arguments like these occur between two townies. Let's not jump to the conclusion that one of them is Scum.

I currently believe that Annul is town, based off a lot of information that i trust. I strongly disagree with his lynch currently. Don't let the mafia rush this.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 21:26 GMT

#127

I think that the evidance that I have to the contrary is enough to convince me that a coincidence is NOT out of the picture. He claimed day-vig. That marks him as a target. He said that he wanted protection, but he couldn't ask for it till he had confirmed his ability. That was due today. It's a good idea for mafia to kill him now, rather than risk it.

I'm not totally sure about either of you, but right now the argument it telling me you are both town. So don't kill each other without a really good reason. reason.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 22:01 GMT

#129

RoL: You were going to give the vest to LD, because you thought that he was town. Why didn't you give him the vest earlier, then leak a contract to annul that said that he wouldn't have it yet? The bearer would have known that a hit would take place, and LD would have been alive. This seems like a dumb trap to me.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 22:07 GMT

#131

No, LSB confermed that YOU wouldn't know if h was hit. LD would though. If you had told him the plan, easy catch.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

January 09 2011 23:13 GMT

#136

On January 10 2011 07:07 Kavdragon wrote:
No, LSB confermed that YOU wouldn't know if h was hit. LD would though. If you had told him the plan, easy catch.

Care to answer this?