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Mr. Wiggles
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On December 27 2010 11:49 Jackal58 wrote: Mangos hang from trees. Naturally. Clever. Almost, too clever. | ||
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If he is of the belief I'm spamming, I've just been posting somewhat short responses because there hasn't really been anything worth discussing up to this point. He said we should post the semi-inactives to begin with, those who post without really contributing anything, which I guess is pretty much everyone here up until now. But then again, if he said he's going to pressure vote people into writing longer, more meaningful post instead of one-liners, I guess it's mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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On December 27 2010 12:37 LSB wrote: What do you feel about lynching inactives / spammers? What do you feel that the blues should do? Like I've said, I don't have a ton of mafia experience so most of this is just my opinion: As far as what blues should do is concerned, there isn't really much they can do right now, besides try to blend in, and wait until it's easier to figure out who's who. Right now their actions are going to be more or less random, though they should try to base their actions a bit on what's been posted in the thread, though as I repeat, it's not going to be the most useful information when there isn't a ton of discussion going on. I feel inactives are either people who aren't very interested in the game, or people who are trying to lay low and hide, so they should be looked at, and possibly lynched because we really have no way to analyze them besides their lack of participation. Spammers are people who are trying hard to prove that they are active. So this could be someone trying to blend into the town or something and again, they should be looked at and considered as lynching candidates. However, if I recall correctly, this game has several new people who have not played mafia before, so some spamming from newer players may be either nervousness, or an irrational fear of being considered inactive. (Kind've of like what I did). So to summarize: 1. I have no idea what blues should do, besides try to make the best of the limited information they have this early into the game. 2. We should look at both inactives and spammers as candidates for lynching, because they may be either trying to hide or they are nervous and trying very hard to fit in. (Though we shouldn't exclude other suspicious people as candidates). At least, this is my unqualified opinion. :p | ||
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I'm not sure how to use PM's, if I should trust the people who PM me, disregard them completely, just be acquiescent, I'm just not too sure. Now as for Pandain's plan, should everyone start pressuring, or will that turn into a disorganized mess? Should we coordinate with someone and pressure together, or just let you do it to one person at a time? | ||
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What I mean is that they would post a lot one day, then not very much for a span of time, then post a lot in a short period, repeat. Would inconsistency in posting frequency reveal anything about a person? It could show someone who wants to post a lot to not be considered inactive or anything, but then lay low and hide once that activities been established. By this I don't mean someone who starts posting more when it's relevant, like they're being accused of something and need to defend themselves, but rather they post a lot in one day, then almost disappear for the next two. This could also be a blue trying to gather information though, so I don't know. What's normal procedure for a sporadic poster like this? | ||
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Either the DT says what they check correctly, and the mafia will home in on them, or else they lie to keep them off their trail. The problem arises when they start to lie. If they are killed, then we would ideally go back and look at what they said peoples roles are, but if they start faking it, we won't know which are real and which are fake, unless there is already an established mouth who comes out and tells us. But then you might get multiple people claiming different things about what the DT told them, which make the DTs claims near useless, as we won't be able to discern truth from falsities. Unless there's something I"m missing, or don't know about how the game is played, this doesn't look like it'll help that much in the end. If this is actually a tried and true method and I look really stupid right now, please let me know. Thanks.  | ||
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On December 28 2010 07:42 annul wrote: my conclusion is that, yes, PLUS his insistence on going after inactives instead of scumhunting. it would be very easy for a mafia to know his team all happen to be active and then say "hey kill inactives over all else EVEN IF scummy targets exist" I'm not sure what to make of this annul vs. LSB business. Annul says that LSB may be mafia and knows his team is active, so he wants to divert attention away from them towards the inactives. But to play devil's advocate, one could say that annul may be mafia and knows that his team is inactive and laying low, and would rather portray someone else as scummy and divert attention away from the inactives. I'm of the opinion that if there's a clear target for lynching we should go for it, and if not, pick off one of the inactives, but this whole situation just seems murky. This whole argument seems to be very polarizing and I can already see divisions being made. =/ | ||
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This started out as annul's analysis of LSB based on a gut feeling. + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2010 07:43 annul wrote: i do not play this game RNG. if this game was entirely RNG then what is the point of playing at all, of analysis, etc? i do not have a 6/30 chance of feeling correctly. my "feelings" are not RNG-based. Granted annul's analysis can make sense, and I initially agreed with it, I did not agree with his conclusions of LSB being mafia based on spamminess and some advice he gave. I don't think there is strong enough a case to take out LSB now, and annul's tunneling of him and his aggression hasn't really done much to sway my own opinion. I think we should find someone else to lynch right now, and come back to LSB if he cannot "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that he is blue once day 2 starts. Other people we may want to consider: Seraph based on RoL's analysis. Brocket based on the strategy of going for lurkers day 1 I'm also not sure what to think of pandain right now based on his recent posts pertaining to the LSB and annul situation. | ||
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It looks like the mafia are targeting either experienced players, or people who have been contributing and posting a lot. While we should look at the people who have been posting a lot, they shouldn't be the only focus of analysis and discussion. I think we should somehow continue to pressure some of the inactives to start posting, so that we have more material to work with. If not many people post, most of the focus is going to be solely on those who have been posting frequently in the thread. This is basically what happened day 1. Annul analyzed LSB because he was one of the few players up to that point with a decent number of posts. Then we had a large discussion sparked about the LSB/annul argument. However, this discussion was mostly made up of a small number of people posting a lot, and the majority either posting once, shortly, or very seldom. Now look at where we are. We have all of our most active players pointing fingers at each other for being mafia. Though I'm sure the chances are decent enough that at least one of the active posters or experienced players are mafia, we need to widen our selection of players, until we are able to narrow it down confidently to a few candidates. We're starting some kind of vicious circle, where there are a few players who post a lot, and want to do analysis. But they don't really have anything to analyze, so they have to look at the other frequent posters. That's when the accusations fly and we get situations like annul/LSB, with the frequent posters discussing that. Then when they want to do more analysis, there's nothing to analyze but the discussion to the situation at hand, made by the same people always. Summary: We need to get more people posting so we have more to analyze. As it is, there are few people posting, so they tend to analyze each other for lack any other content. Then they target each other. If this continues, I fear that all our most active and experienced players are just going to pick each other off one by one, leaving the rest of us to the mercy of the mafia and whichever experienced players survive and happen to be red. | ||
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