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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 26 2010 04:41 GMT
#107
On December 26 2010 13:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
wait too late for me?


Nope, you are the last one. I will /in as a replacement if necessary.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 26 2010 17:57 GMT
#114
On December 26 2010 14:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2010 13:41 GGQ wrote:
On December 26 2010 13:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
wait too late for me?


Nope, you are the last one. I will /in as a replacement if necessary.

Well I hope you get /in because I could use another friendly neighborhood bus driver :D


Sweet, I'm in. Bussing you tonight, don't worry.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 27 2010 01:41 GMT
#133
Pretending to be mafia to make it seem like you couldnt possibly be mafia is actually kind of scummy. Town shouldn't be trying to play tricks on town like that, it may be kind of funny but it's not helpful.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 27 2010 06:11 GMT
#236
On December 27 2010 15:00 seRapH wrote:
Well given that it's day 1 we're mostly waiting for people to check in. So people should be pitching in about their stances on the following issues:
Day 1 lynch- Inactives or suspects, and then who?
Role of PMs in this game

Any questions you guys may have should also be asked, an informed town is a good town ^_^


Well for the first question, I think the answer is clear, and has already been said. We pressure inactives by moving to lynch on them. Hopefully scum slips up and gives us a lead to lynch a suspect, else we just lynch an inactive and hope. Obviously lynching someone who is acting suspicious is better than lynching a random inactive, but lynching the inactive is a good backup plan to get people posting and create a healthy town.

For the second question, that's much more in-depth, and I imagine that the best way to use PMs will depend on your skill level. As a relatively new player, I'll stick to corresponding only with people I have very good reason to trust.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 28 2010 04:24 GMT
#398
On December 28 2010 10:15 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm a bit hesitant to ask because I was immediately labeled a smurf in the HP game and got offed on the first night.


Yeah my bad. I was bus driver and redirected a mafia kill to you. You died to save a detective, though!

LSB's advice in this game has been very similar to his posts in the pokemafia game where he was town, but he's gotten into an argument here which he carefully avoided in that game. I know he gave a reason for that already, but I think that it's not a good enough reason for this whole drawn-out argument. I'm not ready to vote for him, but it's worth noting. I don't know why annul is so focused on him. It was good to bring his spamminess to everyone's attention so he would be under the town's focus and forced to post more constructively, but it's not good to be tunnel-visioning him already.

If this argument gets too much focus then everyone else will fly under the radar.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 28 2010 07:50 GMT
#418
On December 28 2010 16:40 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2010 05:18 LSB wrote:
On December 28 2010 05:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB; while Annul doesn't have a very strong case against you, your defense was pretty pathetic. I've had a bad gut feeling about you for a while, it's not something I was planning on voting on but Annul did bring out all of the problems I had been having with your posts. I'm not voting you quite yet but I would like you to give more than one line answers whenever someone puts a fos on you. Consider this post a +1 for Annul's case against LSB. I'd like to see you take some time in defending yourself and not just brush it off because there were some good points in annul's post.

Give me a point to address then.

Bump.


Why did you OMGUS vote annul when I'm sure you know that's a common scumtell?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 28 2010 18:23 GMT
#463
On December 29 2010 03:18 annul wrote:
in sengoku, i claimed guerilla. i said i would PROVE it the next day, if they decided to take their lynch off of me.

they did.

it was the smarter move to not blow the power the next day, so i didnt. they still had no idea if i was guerilla or not.


But you were, in fact, a guerilla? How is that helping your argument here?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 28 2010 19:48 GMT
#477
On December 29 2010 00:33 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2010 17:18 Barundar wrote:
On December 28 2010 16:50 GGQ wrote:
On December 28 2010 16:40 LSB wrote:
On December 28 2010 05:18 LSB wrote:
On December 28 2010 05:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB; while Annul doesn't have a very strong case against you, your defense was pretty pathetic. I've had a bad gut feeling about you for a while, it's not something I was planning on voting on but Annul did bring out all of the problems I had been having with your posts. I'm not voting you quite yet but I would like you to give more than one line answers whenever someone puts a fos on you. Consider this post a +1 for Annul's case against LSB. I'd like to see you take some time in defending yourself and not just brush it off because there were some good points in annul's post.

Give me a point to address then.

Bump.


Why did you OMGUS vote annul when I'm sure you know that's a common scumtell?


... and why did you vote for him while you kept trying to make town look for inactives? Shouldn't you be trying to convince people to your case if you where certain enough to vote?

In pokemafia, you said "I was very protective of my Shockeyy lynch", when someone suggested another possible mafia lynch. Now you are fine with the town splitting up attention. How would you explain this change in play style?

OMGUS: The point is, lets say I do an analysis of you, and its all lies. Wouldn't you be suspicious of me?
It would be selfish of me to not do anything about it. As a townie I have a responsibility to attack Annul, even though it may be a bit scummy


Inactives: In case you haven't noticed, I've been dealing with the inactives using blue roles.
I proposed we deal with inactives by a combination of DT checks and mass cover by everyone allowing the DTs to safely .
The thing is, this plan was immediatly dismissed by people who probably didn't read the thread. All they say is "well, lets not rely on DTs".

In addition, as I've said, we should lynch an inactive only when there iw no obvious mafia canditdate. Given that I found a obvious mafia candidate...


I'm unsatisfied with this answer. No, if you did an analysis of me and FOSed me as mafia when I'm not, that in and of itself would not make me any more suspicious of you. In fact, active scumhunting would make you more likely to be town. As for his analysis being 'all lies', I don't see any lies in his analysis post. You may disagree with his opinions, or think his logic is weak, but that doesn't make him mafia. If you are town, you're the only one who knows that so it doesn't make sense to vote for someone just because they voted for you.

What really worries me about this lynch is that besides deconduo there hasn't really been anyone trying to divert the lynch, so either LSB is town or his buddies are abandoning him.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 29 2010 04:07 GMT
#640
On December 29 2010 12:09 Insanious wrote:Anything by me should also be ignored... since I was defending the blue.


I don't particularly FOS you, but it should be pointed out that this doesn't clear you by a long shot. Mafia knows better than anyone who is clear, and it's very easy for them to buddy a townie to appear clean when he flips.

As for annul and pandain, we shouldn't lynch them just because they are wrong. But we also shouldn't let them get away too easily. Some people have suggested that they wouldn't be so bold if they were mafia. But with the godfather and the framer(s) to mess with the DTs, mafia can afford to be pretty bold this game.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 30 2010 19:20 GMT
#797
I feel that I should reveal this information since mafia already knows it; I was roleblocked last night.

I just read through the entire thread again and here are my thoughts:

-Pandain doesn't seem like scum to me, just a flip-flopping townie.

-Brockett narrowly avoided a lynch and still hasn't contributed anything. Much fewer posts and different posting style than his townie play in Pokemafia

-I'm still suspicious of TheMango but don't have solid reasoning for it

-I am pretty confident that ROL is town, but I dont necessarily agree with all his picks for mafia

-Insanious doesn't seem scummy to me. People keep saying that he was 'so sure' LSB was blue, but if you actually read his posts, that's not what he was saying

-I'm on the fence about annul. I always thought his tunneling on LSB was stupid, but that doesn't make him mafia. He certainly could be, though

-I'm most suspicious atm of Seraph (as ROL pointed out) and Mr Wiggles. While reading, I noticed that all of Mr Wiggles posts are riddled with uncertainty, fear, and unwillingness to commit. He may be a newer player, but it still makes me very susicious of him. My vote goes on him for now
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 30 2010 19:44 GMT
#804
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 31 2010 04:21 Pandain wrote:
Alright sup ya'll. Tonight was good, and bad. It was good because we didn't lose any blues and I didn't die, but it was bad because we lost alot of really good people. But right now what we have to be doing is getting all these inactives to talk. Until these people post a good post, or start to really help, FoS on them.

Opz
George CLooney
Shockkey
Ryu/DArthien\
Brockett(another)
Orgolove


Right now I'm going to be voting Orgolove, but these people we should especially keep an eye on Why Orgolove? HE claims he's been busy during the holidays but not posting, but really, he's way TOO quiet. I mean, he's always super spammy/agressive, and even the holidays he wouldn't have been this busy. Let's see his posts:


Show nested quote +
On December 27 2010 16:02 orgolove wrote:
Oh wow. This started fast.

I hardly think the sudden bandwagon against Pandain less than an hour after the game started was appropriate.

States the obvious, already said.

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On December 28 2010 12:53 orgolove wrote:
On December 28 2010 11:42 LSB wrote:
Let's refocus on inactives.

There are two lurkers/inactives that have voted so far.

6. TheMango- I consider him a lurker as he hasn't offered insight on anything.
30. ~OpZ~- Hasn't done much in thread. He has PMed me, but I don't know if he is actually active.

If why/Brocket/GeorgeClooney gets around to voting/posting, we could switch the lynch. But currently we should push to lynch the people who actually aren't in danger of being modkilled.

People probably with say that I have a conflict of interest with TheMango since he voted for me. So I'm find with voting off ~OpZ~

On December 28 2010 11:41 LSB wrote:
##unvote
##vote ~OpZ~




I hardly feel that focusing on inactives, especially on Day 1, is a good idea at this point. I highly doubt mafia will be inactive on day 1, exactly to deflect the kind of suspicions you are raising. It's much more likely, probability wise, for there to be mafia among the people who already posted, compared to the inactives. hell, I know I'd be more inclined to post and make time during the holidays if I was red 0.0


I'm getting really suspicious of the people who keep trying to refocus the town on lynching inactives instead of HUNTING REDS. i.e. why, LSB, ilovejonn. I'm especially looking at LSB right now, given his past track record and his current behavioral patterns.

Accuses people who try to get people to talk. Note that Orgo says we should be focusing on trying to find red's, but orgolove hasn't done ANYTHING.

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On December 29 2010 12:32 orgolove wrote:
Oh.

I failed terribly. Sorry LSB.

This is all he says. A short while after LSB died. Now, what does this post do? First of all orgolove barely did anything, and he's immediately apologizing for getting it wrong. This is a very obvious scum tell if I'm correct, and he still hasn't really contributed.

He has obviously had time to read the thread, at different points during the day. There is no reason why he should not be contributing more unless he was red.


I forgot to mention orgolove in my earlier post, but his posts, as few as they've been, also stirred up my suspicions. I'd like to point out in particular this line: " I'm especially looking at LSB right now, given his past track record and his current behavioral patterns." This is the sort of thing that a mafia says to seem like they analyzing but it's really just fluff. What past track record? What current behavioral patterns? Explain what you mean or it's worthless.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 31 2010 21:25 GMT
#877
What you don't seem to understand is that voting for a double lynch today means that we have a double lynch tomorrow.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 01 2011 20:11 GMT
#915
On January 02 2011 05:09 LunarDestiny wrote:
If Orgolove is mafia, one of his other member will ask town to provided good reasons why Orgolove is mafia.


You mean like you and Barundar just did?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 02 2011 18:43 GMT
#1010
On January 03 2011 01:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2011 23:57 Brocket wrote:
Is there such a thing as 'too good'? RoL is getting a lot of unsavory attention.

I don't think Annul played properly and case in point he admits he's mafia before the day's news is published. Don't you guys want to see who RoL wants to suspect next before trying to kick him out? I guess the relevant people I'm talking to are medics, dt's and vigilantes for the night phase.

I mean, crazy ideas like RoL actually being mafia sounds so preposterous it might be true but it's definitely not 100%. I'm actually going to stand up for RoL because I can't comprehend him being mafia. Maybe it's my lack of imagination.

I'll suspect him if he starts using his credibility to make bad decisions like lynching no mafia for the rest of the game or bringing out more blue role claims.

Well if RoL goes for me, he's mafia. I'll openly claim my role, if someone's willing to help me decide.


How does someone going for you make them mafia?

Barundar just added me to his suspects list, but I don't think he's mafia one little bit.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 04 2011 07:17 GMT
#1136
Well, I just finished rereading the thread again. First I'd like to answer the question above and say that if I was voting for someone besides those four you named, and besides yourself, I'd vote for Shockeyy. I think Brocket would be a decent lynch as well.

But for this vote I'm going to go with my gut, which has served me pretty well so far this game. I've thought that Meapak_Ziphh and TheMango were both suspicious for ages. I'm voting for them.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 06 2011 03:28 GMT
#1211
Ah, sorry I misread you, Meapak, but I didnt out live you long!

Good-bye and good luck, town.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 17 2011 04:59 GMT
#1575
I actually thought annul was scummier than LSB on day 1. And yes, OMGUS is a scumtell unless you present a good reason for your vote. When you first voted annul, you didn't present a very compelling case, imo. It was only as the day went on that I felt better about you and worse about annul. Specifically when he respondied to my post and admitted it was a flaw of his to tunnel... and then he just kept tunneling. I didn't think we could divert the lynch to annul so I voted Brocket... but I wasn't nearly vocal enough in convincing people to switch. I was afraid of being wrong... My resolve for next game is to be more vocal about my opinions.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 17 2011 05:06 GMT
#1579
On January 17 2011 14:03 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 14:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
. Pandain really screwed the town with his claim.


!!!!

I still don't see how in the least bit that hurt the town.
At the most it made me seem more suspicious, but that's it.


Because it made you the centre of all the attention and analysis and debate when you were just a townie. Not that that's all your fault... people shouldn't have been so focused on you.
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