Pick Your Power Mafia 3!

On December 24 2010 13:54 flamewheel wrote:
I feel bad...

On December 30 2010 16:32 Qatol wrote:
Wasn't Radfield's plan the one where the town assigned roles to certain spots and then the players picked an order so they wouldn't overlap? If so, why would you ever try to reproduce that? It lets the mafia control what their members pick, which is the worst thing that could happen to the town. The town wants overlaps so the mafia are either forced into early positions/ roles they cannot use effectively without becoming suspicious or positions later in the draft where the mafia cannot be sure their desired roles will be available. If I remember correctly, I thought Radfield was mafia for most of PYP2 because his plan was so anti-town.

Edit: I just realized that this came out really harsh, especially considering the town won PYP2. What I really meant was just as long as the town prevents the mafia from controlling the draft, they are in good shape. I don't think Radfield's method for doing so was as effective as it could have been, but it was certainly sufficient and he should be commended for coming forward and making sure the town tried to do something to take control of the drafting phase.

On January 01 2011 12:22 Qatol wrote:

Did I stutter or something?


I think I said things in a slightly confusing manner. I'm not criticizing his plan for the role selection part of the draft phase, only for the number selection portion. If I'm not confused, the role assignment for the first few roles + the probabilities was already mostly figured out before the number selection phase was over. In addition, the way the town did the number selection was by publicly announcing their picks in an attempt to avoid conflicts. This allows the mafia to figure out what role they want to pick, and then make sure they are in the right position to get their desired roles. Just because they didn't do things that way doesn't mean the potential for abuse wasn't there.

Weaknesses:
1. I don't think this was too much of a problem. Overlaps will happen, and his decision to allow people to pick a role based on probabilities was a good way to try and make sure the important roles got selected and the number of blues was maximized.
2. With his kind of setup this is hard to avoid. I agree that this is a definite weakness to be improved upon.

Strengths:
1. This happened in PYP1 as well. And the comp-vig didn't get lost in PYP1. It was pretty much resolved by day 2 that Foolishness had that role. The major mistake we made with respect to that role was we didn't lynch him on day 2 to give the town more time.
2. Medics always have their jobs cut out for them. At least this way they had a short list of players who probably had the roles they wanted to protect. It makes the medic list much smaller. However, the medics are also easier to find which can be problematic.
3. I think both methods give a lot of blues. Remember that 1/3 of PYP1 didn't select a role at all, which was why there were so many greens.

The town was silly to even be looking for the traitor that early. If I recall correctly, they had the traitor down to something like 1 in 5 when the mafia : town ratio was 1 in 4. Let the mafia clear out the power roles before you look for the traitor like that.

Also, Radfield's list of role priorities was pretty bad. He had Veteran really really high and I think he had an important role ridiculously low.

On January 02 2011 09:47 LSB wrote:
Using blue font is unfair Ace. Throws tantrum

Although Inactivity played a part. The Mafia didn't lose PYP2 just because of inactivity, the chief reason was because over half the town was confirmed and we couldn't do anything about it, and no one anticipated how broken the bad santa role can be.

Yes I see you have a point about clashing. But remember, the mafia already knows that the town might use clashing as a scumtell. It would be incredibly easy for the mafia to pick 2 [1][X] slots and then simply redirect the town to clashing. The town would waste lots of time trying to fit things under the clashing theory, when all that would be accomplished is 'confirming' a mafia.

Just like how Mafia IV will probably not happen again, clashing is a theory that probably won't work

On January 07 2011 14:16 LSB wrote:

I've already addressed information. Mafia had virtually full information in PYP2 and couldn't do much about it.

On January 08 2011 05:15 Pigsquirrel wrote:
You don't have a plan either. We currently have two options: LSB's plan, or chaos.
Unless we get an option 3, we are probably going to have chaos.

On January 08 2011 05:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If LSB wanted to be helpful he would have created 3-5 different options of role distribution. Or he could have opted to give his list a "randomized" element where instead of say "choose rolecop" it would be "choose investigative role".

On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote:


Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia.

On January 08 2011 07:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I fear for town, so im taking this into my hands if I can.

I am going to go [1][1]. I think I will be a competent CPR doc. If I do anything un-town like you can just lynch me, but remember we have to keep an eye on both cpr and CV. But since I go from night 1, and he's not til night 2, we can keep tabs for at least the first day. So town will not go into disarray because of mass confusion on night hits. That was a nice thing to give us Ace.

Or we can just leave the slot for a randomn, but I am going [1][1] regardless.

Let me get slot 1 dammit.

On January 09 2011 17:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



If your actually a 6, then there have been a fair bit of fake claimers. IE people above you. Unless my insanely tired mind has failed me, there is no possible way for you to be between me and eiii and bum unless
You are lying about your number
or a ton of people ahead of you lied about their number.

On January 09 2011 17:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Or ace could have messed up, but that seems unlikely.

On January 10 2011 07:28 Divinek wrote:


in-deed
then again being this low on the draft order ill be lucky to get anything at all. More an honesty check i suspect

On January 10 2011 00:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking.

On January 10 2011 09:14 aidnai wrote:
Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct?