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Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other.
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Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town.
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On December 12 2010 13:02 Gabriel wrote:the fuck now we have to deal with rol Uhhh, what? RoL is good, a good sign for the town. Not to mention we didn't lose one to a modkill. Whose side are you on?
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On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote: Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets
Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen.
@Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time.
I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers.
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Couldn't a chansey save tree.hugger's target too? And I am confused by the four bodies, three dead peolpe part too. Can you explain please Dr. H?
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With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another.
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On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote: I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything.
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@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough
It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning.
I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble.
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On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular: - Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers. - The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say.
I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy.
Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me.
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On December 16 2010 10:19 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular: - Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers. - The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. WTF? Did you read what I posted? I accuse you of changing the meaning of my posts and you call me a trash poster? How does this have any relevance to what I posted? Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote: Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. another "trashy" post of course Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote: Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. Do you just read the first line of what I post and then ignore the rest? Because that is the only way I can understand what you are talking about. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote: Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? NOT NEEDED but asked for, notice I quoted someone who questioned the lynch. I'm sorry for further explaining my rationale behind voting, perhaps next till I will just randomly vote people off a list like you do: Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote: With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? Maybe if you had some FORESIGHT you could've prepared better for losing mew. Now it will be even harder for us to find mewtwo, especially since people like you try to stop any town discussion like this. Notice the town cannot win with mewtwo alive, so while it might be in M2's best interest to appear townie, the town still needs to kill him. Why are you so scared of us finding mewtwo? Is that your role? Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote: I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. Maybe if you had some BRAINS you could've noticed the sarcasm in the post, pointing to the uselessness of brocket's post. I guess things like this are too subtle for players of your caliber. Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies ). I guess I should post more like you:
On December 16 2010 10:39 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote: If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie.
So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all.
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On December 16 2010 12:58 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 12:49 DCLXVI wrote:On December 16 2010 10:19 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular: - Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers. - The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. WTF? Did you read what I posted? I accuse you of changing the meaning of my posts and you call me a trash poster? How does this have any relevance to what I posted? On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote: Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. another "trashy" post of course On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote: Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. Do you just read the first line of what I post and then ignore the rest? Because that is the only way I can understand what you are talking about. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote: Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? NOT NEEDED but asked for, notice I quoted someone who questioned the lynch. I'm sorry for further explaining my rationale behind voting, perhaps next till I will just randomly vote people off a list like you do: On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote: ##vote: Shockeyy On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote: With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? Maybe if you had some FORESIGHT you could've prepared better for losing mew. Now it will be even harder for us to find mewtwo, especially since people like you try to stop any town discussion like this. Notice the town cannot win with mewtwo alive, so while it might be in M2's best interest to appear townie, the town still needs to kill him. Why are you so scared of us finding mewtwo? Is that your role? On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote: I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. Maybe if you had some BRAINS you could've noticed the sarcasm in the post, pointing to the uselessness of brocket's post. I guess things like this are too subtle for players of your caliber. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies ). I guess I should post more like you: On December 16 2010 10:39 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote: If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie. So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all. Congratulations on returning fire; don't you feel GREAT about yourself now that you've contributed a post that amounts to a "NO U"? I'm sorry, "medics protect who you think you should" isn't telling them anything they don't know already. Post some real content for fuck's sake, because criticism and disagreement means jack shit unless you provide alternatives. If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to get town back on the right track, whereas all you do is whine about how I've mischaracterized you instead of contributing. Go analyze some other people, unless you're too scared to out your scum buddies. You don't seem to understand that I am calling you out for doing a terrible analysis. You are not helping the town by doing so. Once again you take half of what I say and turn it to fit your fancy. I asked for the medics to protect the town leaders over themselves, READ MY POSTS. Also, what happened to the rest of your "analysis"? I'm just right so you ignore it and flame me? Why don't you post some REAL content instead of calling for everyone else to do it instead?
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On December 16 2010 13:16 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 14:33 Gabriel wrote: TWO: Hesmyrr is claiming now. That can still be a mafia ploy so i find interesting that he "just" claimed now. Ill just let it go for now. Hesmyrrs replacement is by no means cleared yet.
Now that Hesmyrr/Pandain has taken the second hit, we know that he was indeed telling the truth. Here Gabriel discredits the hit claim to prevent the existence of a town confirmed member. Why would Hesmyrr claim taking a hit if he was mafia? That doesn't make sense. While I believe he stated that in a poor manner, Gabriel is technically right, however unlikely the situation is. Hesmyrr could have been mewtwo, which would be a great way to get into the town's confirmed list. Mafia could've stacked hits on someone, then had hesmyrr claim, to get him confirmed. While both options are highly unlikely, there are possibilities. Highly likely but not fully confirmed would've been a better way to put it.
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On December 16 2010 13:30 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 13:08 DCLXVI wrote:On December 16 2010 12:58 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 12:49 DCLXVI wrote:On December 16 2010 10:19 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular: - Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers. - The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. WTF? Did you read what I posted? I accuse you of changing the meaning of my posts and you call me a trash poster? How does this have any relevance to what I posted? On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote: Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. another "trashy" post of course On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote: Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. Do you just read the first line of what I post and then ignore the rest? Because that is the only way I can understand what you are talking about. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote: Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? NOT NEEDED but asked for, notice I quoted someone who questioned the lynch. I'm sorry for further explaining my rationale behind voting, perhaps next till I will just randomly vote people off a list like you do: On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote: ##vote: Shockeyy On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote: With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? Maybe if you had some FORESIGHT you could've prepared better for losing mew. Now it will be even harder for us to find mewtwo, especially since people like you try to stop any town discussion like this. Notice the town cannot win with mewtwo alive, so while it might be in M2's best interest to appear townie, the town still needs to kill him. Why are you so scared of us finding mewtwo? Is that your role? On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote: I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. Maybe if you had some BRAINS you could've noticed the sarcasm in the post, pointing to the uselessness of brocket's post. I guess things like this are too subtle for players of your caliber. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies ). I guess I should post more like you: On December 16 2010 10:39 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote: If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie. So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all. Congratulations on returning fire; don't you feel GREAT about yourself now that you've contributed a post that amounts to a "NO U"? I'm sorry, "medics protect who you think you should" isn't telling them anything they don't know already. Post some real content for fuck's sake, because criticism and disagreement means jack shit unless you provide alternatives. If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to get town back on the right track, whereas all you do is whine about how I've mischaracterized you instead of contributing. Go analyze some other people, unless you're too scared to out your scum buddies. You don't seem to understand that I am calling you out for doing a terrible analysis. You are not helping the town by doing so. Once again you take half of what I say and turn it to fit your fancy. I asked for the medics to protect the town leaders over themselves, READ MY POSTS. Also, what happened to the rest of your "analysis"? I'm just right so you ignore it and flame me? Why don't you post some REAL content instead of calling for everyone else to do it instead? I did read your posts. I found them wanting. If I'm doing a terrible analysis then do a better one. Make it on me. Make it on someone else. I don't really care; just make it so that you're doing it on someone and that town can benefit from the discussion. I am trying my best to offer something that resembles analysis, but if half the town is sitting around scratching their heads and saying "durr should we lynch shockeyy now" when we are down 4 blues then we are going to lose, period. That's the problem I have with you. You offer no viable alternatives. You offer vague plans. You offer mild criticism but don't push for anything concrete. If you think my posts are terrible and deliberately designed to mislead town then for fuck's sake get the entire town to vote me and be done with it. I find you "analysis" lacking. You also add nothing to the discussion, just attack random people with poor logic. I will take you up on your offer however. It seems as if kevdragon has claimed you though, so I will analyze Insanious instead. While I am composing it I would like to see you add something to the town too, and remember, quote don't summarize
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Alright here comes the analysis on Insanious. + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:19 Insanious wrote: Professor Oak was way better than Rowen, or the other Professors throughout the different lands, this is the saddest start to a mafia ever. Useless, but w/e. First post of the day, commenting on the theme. On December 10 2010 08:04 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 07:56 LSB wrote:On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:On December 10 2010 07:42 Oceanic wrote: Doesn't it say in 1 of the guides posted that lynching an inactive day 1 is not something you should do? Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open. We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells. Having a general system for how blues play is pretty important. We need to establish a good town environment where the most pro-town players won't find themselves dead. We need to establish a place where everyone is active. Sure, we could leave everything to RNG, but we could do so much more with the blues. I have to agree with this, having a general idea of how the town runs will help keep down the number of accidental lynchings. This is more or less pulled from one of the guides that DcH posted, but when you have a town that uses larger posts, filled with a lot of information, it makes it a lot easier to pick out those that want to give no new information and are simply regurgitating stuff that has already been said in the thread.If we start with a town that runs this way, it should carry through to the end of the game. The best way to keep a town that functions correctly functioning this way would be to keep the people that are running in a more administrative fashion (i guess i could say that) where they are trying to keep some semblance of order alive. I mean a town that runs all willy-nilly chaotic is a town that breeds scum, where a town that runs in a more ordered fashion has a higher chance of weeding out those that are trying to bring disorder to an already disorderly situation. Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? It says that the mafia get 3kp, added to this mewtwo (although not part of the mafia, is still playing against the town) has 1kp. This means there can be 3 mafia targets, and 1 third party target a night. So the first bit is about how he agrees with LSB about the need for a plan and organization. This is useless but really long and looks nice. The second part answers a dumb question, I have no problem with that. On December 10 2010 08:20 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? I'm newer at this as well, but have been reading a few mafia games, but i think some of the things people want in a pro-town environment are: - Longer, well thought out posts. This way ideas don't get lost. If you post a million tiny posts people can get bored, or will skip over having to read like 5 pages when everything could have just been put into a single longer post and people will have less to read. This way the town can see people who are posting small posts that try to bury information. - Long, well thought out accusations of scum. If you have posts that have like 8 quotes in them, people can better see a pattern in someones behavior. This can also help stop bandwagoning onto an innocent, as with a long post someone has a lot of information to refute, and you can also then point out scum who are using selective posts. This way it is easier to spot people who are trying to mislead the town. - Less peer-pressure, in a more pro-town environment there is less calling out of people, this can result in less blues being forced to reveal, which not only makes the town more vulnerable but also forces a chancey (in this case) to protect the blue for fear that they die. As well, this can reduce the amount of greens that need to reveal, that make them vulnerable due to them no longer being able to be lynch bait. I think those are more or less the major points of a more pro-town environment rather than an anti-town environment, if I missed anything just add to the list. Long posts are better than short ones, attack scum, but not townies. I’ll make a note here that the lurker Deconduo rears his head and posts an “I agree” post right after. Jcarlsoniv posts after pointing out how useless Insanious’s first few posts were, long and fluffy. On December 10 2010 09:29 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 10 2010 08:04 Insanious wrote:On December 10 2010 07:56 LSB wrote:On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:On December 10 2010 07:42 Oceanic wrote: Doesn't it say in 1 of the guides posted that lynching an inactive day 1 is not something you should do? Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open. We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells. Having a general system for how blues play is pretty important. We need to establish a good town environment where the most pro-town players won't find themselves dead. We need to establish a place where everyone is active. Sure, we could leave everything to RNG, but we could do so much more with the blues. I have to agree with this, having a general idea of how the town runs will help keep down the number of accidental lynchings. This is more or less pulled from one of the guides that DcH posted, but when you have a town that uses larger posts, filled with a lot of information, it makes it a lot easier to pick out those that want to give no new information and are simply regurgitating stuff that has already been said in the thread.If we start with a town that runs this way, it should carry through to the end of the game. The best way to keep a town that functions correctly functioning this way would be to keep the people that are running in a more administrative fashion (i guess i could say that) where they are trying to keep some semblance of order alive. I mean a town that runs all willy-nilly chaotic is a town that breeds scum, where a town that runs in a more ordered fashion has a higher chance of weeding out those that are trying to bring disorder to an already disorderly situation. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? It says that the mafia get 3kp, added to this mewtwo (although not part of the mafia, is still playing against the town) has 1kp. This means there can be 3 mafia targets, and 1 third party target a night. You mean like this post is doing? From your two posts, I've noticed you haven't really added too much at all. Your first post was almost exclusively regurgitating previous posts. Your second one you seemed to be trying to add more, saying you've read guides, and it appears that you are trying hard to look like the poster child of "how to be a townie". Everyone pretty much knows the environment that is conducive to town progress. It is very apparent when scum tries to disrupt things if they are going smoothly. We just have to catch them as they are doing it before things spiral out of control. Townies don't need to try to look like townies, because they already are. Two newer mafia players asked two questions, I was simply answering them. Its not like I was just throwing that info out there as if it was anything new. Eiii asked what a pro-town environment entitled, while Kenpachi asked how many attacks the mafia can make in a night. Both of which they could of found by reading what DrH posted, but I thought it would be nice to answer both questions... I guess if you would rather I could of simply just not answered their questions and left them guessing. Insanious admits that the only content to his posts is answering a few newbie questions, ignores the fact that the rest of his post is useless. On December 10 2010 13:56 Insanious wrote: Completely random I know... but can someone tell me how to get to the voting thread. On the front page it says "vote in a separate thread found here" but there's no link on here, or after it. I think I missed where it was listed and would be nice to be able to see the votes... I have a feeling I'm missing something very obvious. Time for questions! Because asking questions is something scum like to do and it adds to your post count making you seem active. PM the host next time please. On December 10 2010 14:10 Insanious wrote: You can change votes right, like ##unvote XXXX; Vote XXXX or no?
Also to actually contribute to the thread somewhat, I really don't like either of the bandwagons we have going. Infun hasn't really done anything, especially not to garner the wrath of 10% of the people playing this game. On the other hand Gab came off a little rough and confrontational, but I really don't think he came off that scummy... Another question… and then … he says he hasn’t posted much content so to make up for it he presents us with this gem. “umm this guy seems scummy but no one is doing much, maybe this guy to.” Where is the content? What stance do you take on these people and WHY? On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote: So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey... And your explanation for you vote was what exactly? Oh that’s right, you didn’t. But that is not important, because you learned how to point fingers! On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote: So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey... Another useless post On December 11 2010 05:26 Insanious wrote: Gab cant really explain him self :/, there isnt enough info in the game to do so... and I mean from the looks of it, it looks like Gab was just trying to push peoples buttons to see their reaction to his posts about who he thought was scum, that go way overboard and suddenly 1/6th of the people in this game are voting that he is scum...
People are like "its only 6 out of 31" but really, once a bandwagon gets running its hard to stop unless you slow it down early... I don't think any more votes on Gab right now will help the town, all it will do is seal Gab's fate... Now this post is interesting. This is a step up from pointing fingers at people voting gabe, now he says that it is hurtful for the town to vote for scummy people. “It wasn’t really gabe’s fault he acted scummy, he was just trying to get a reaction.” Yeah right, I’ve seen that defense used too many times on scum to let it get by this game. On December 11 2010 13:42 Insanious wrote: tube your acting simply just very confrontational right now... what chaoser was trying to say is that you have to start the game somewhere. Promoting lynching inactives is a place to start. You never want to end with simply lynching inactives, but the discussion between whether we lynch or do not lynch inactives can actually lead to something that can be analyzed.
Look at every mafia game here, or on any other site and it always starts with the "do we lynch inactives or not", why? Because it gets people talking, and unless people talk then we will never ever find scum.
Activity is counter productive to the mafia, as that means they have to participate more, and that gives them more chances to slip up.
LSB started on the convo, but now we have found a few people acting scummy, and as such we are no longer talking about lynching inactives, but weather to lynch people who've actually said something.
Do we lynch Kenpachi for his posting habbits, Gab for his out burst, Infun for his previous actions, LSB for trying to be the head of the town, or you for just angrily, randomly, accusing people of being scum.
This is where the game should be focused, but we needed a start... and lynching inactives is a start. This I can’t argue with, besides the repeat of “activity is good”. I agree that starting with the lynching inactives always leads to scum slips or at least more town activity. On December 11 2010 17:14 Insanious wrote:Hell anyone else notice a trend... 1) Gabe accuses Kenpachi 2) Kenpachi tries to defend himself poorly 3) Kenpachi votes for Gabe 4) Jcarl jumps in and defends Ken, while trying to put a case against Gabe 5) People bandwagon Gabe 6) People start to look else where for scum 7) Kenpachi jumps in and makes us look back at Gabe 8) Gabe tries to ignore Ken, and tries to act like the rest of us (Eii, Chaos, tube, etc...) 9) Jcarl comes back and tries to get us to focus back on Gabe Kenpachi and Jcarl, why you two working so closely together to try and get us to hang Gabe when a large part of the town is like "... Gabe really doesn't look that scummy..." Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 16:58 Eiii wrote: ...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 08:30 KtheZ wrote: I'm not sure if we should really take Gabriel's actions that greatly into consideration. Considering that he is a relatively veteran player, I don't think the bandwagon against him is of great value. If he was mafia, isnt it common sense for them to talk about a game plan and think things out before posting, rather than actively arguing with people?
Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 04:28 LSB wrote: The problem is now, why the bandwagon the bandwagon against Gabriel took place. (i'll look into it later, right now I'm hard pressed for time) Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 04:15 Hesmyrr wrote: There is one possible reason why I am willing to give Gabriel null-read for now, but I am going to wait for him to come and explain himself first to see if his argument agrees with mine. Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 03:15 seRapH wrote: Oh come on guys, 5 people voting for Gabriel out of nowhere? He hasn't really been very scummy imo. I'm keeping an eye on this bandwagon for scum, it's very likely that someone amongst these 5 are poison-type pokemon, maybe even multiple of them.
- - - - - - - - - - - - Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 02:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: I agree with you, which is why I'm not convinced he's scum. He is making wild accusations though that is disrupting everything, and even if he's town, removing that isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, if we can find scum, I definitely want that, obviously. I just want Gabriel to have an eye kept on him. ^^^ huh? Isn't that contradictory to the two huge posts you made against Gabe? "I don't think he's scum... but let's vote him and then see what happens!" The whole kenpachi +jcarlsoniv thing didn’t work out, but it was a nice try I guess On December 12 2010 03:19 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote: asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum Its not THAT you post, its WHAT you post... the problem is that all of your posts are spam and none of them offer anything. I actually also prepared a case against you, but tree.hugger got there before me so I didn't think I should post everything you wrote again, but really: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 06:55 Kenpachi wrote: yes! got my pm and the games beginning~ Very excited over his role, that's not that unusual... On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: Until you see that he posts against 16 minutes later just to spam that he's in the game, wouldn't the post before hand of been enough? All this does is clutter up the thread with no additional content. Post could not have happened. On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. Then he continues with the spam. Here he posts a list of the pokemon roles to normal mafia roles. This is something that looks helpful, but isn't helpful at all. Everyone would of red the starting post to see what the roles do, equating them with other words isn't helpful in the least, but it does SEEM helpful. As well, he also points out that the reds have little to fear from the town besides lynching as there are no vig killers. Why does he point that out? Re-leaved? On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. Again, more spam... seems like he is posting every 10 minutes or less, just to rack up posts. He says it doesn't work, but doesn't explain why. He is simply shooting down an idea without adding to the conversation. This kills information flow, something a red would like to do. If he was green/blue, he could of posted more to his opinion,why he thought that. Something with more meat "Claiming is a no no because there are so many mafia that any lies will take forever for the DT to check out, as well it will make our blues more susceptible as then the mafia will know who exactly to hit every-night." Even that is less suspicious than what Ken posted. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? His last post previous showed that he read the starting post, as he pulled the names and roles of the different jobs from the starting post, but then why does he feign ignorance? If you read what all the roles did, do you expect me to believe that he didn't scroll down a few lines to see how many KP the mafia got? If he would of just read the OP, instead of posting this it would of been less suspicious. But this seems like another thing scum do, play the "I'm new card" this is a subtle one, that just says "look at me asking this noob question, i must not know much" it is a defense as people are less likely to lynch a new player than an experienced one. On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think Here he is answering a question, without actually answering the question. He posts something that looks like an answer but offers no real insight at all. He doesn't explain what a pro-town environment is, he just simply states what it should look like and then moves on. It is just clutter, that can also just act as a way to confuse a newer player. Not to mention, Eiii might of been less likely to ask the question against later even though it wasn't really responded to simply to avoid looking foolish after kenpachi, a more experienced player, "answered" it. If he was town, he should of just ignored this, or went to one of the links DocH posted and just copie-pasted the analysis of a pro-town environment, both would of done more good. On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote: Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. Including this to include all his posts, answering a question where he simply copies from the OP... again. (note this is not scummy behaviour, but i wanted to include all posts) On December 10 2010 11:30 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote: Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain
A) your vote B) your deep posts?
what? Pure spam... adds nothing to the conversation. Would have been better to actually refute the claims instead of spam here. He could of looked like a green/blue, but instead he continues to post like a red, more spam and more dismissal of arguments without any sound logic. On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote: Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? Posts two seconds later, more spam, and again... doesn't add anything. Doesn't refute the claim against him, does not try to argue against Gab at all, he simply just tries to dismiss any claim against him without even a logical argument. On December 10 2010 11:44 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:40 Gabriel wrote:On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote: Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? A) You dont want to be active posting B) You want to "look" active C) You read the rules but you actually dont know mafia KP? That was rare. D) You dont want to lynch inactives because that doesnt work. E) You want enlightment. F) You vote for me out of literally nowhere. I mean: i post to flip Infundibulum and you come right after me. Care to explain at least? A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. Here, he doesn't even refute the arguments brought against him. A) Says 4 hours isn't enough time to judge activity, and then he says something that makes no sence B) He says posting = activity, but it doesn't... Kenpachi posts empty posts that make him look active without contributing... posting without content does not make you an active member of the comunity. C) He says he didn't read the rules here... even though he posted the roles as his 3rd post in the game. So he read the rules but didn't read the rules? D) Says lynching inactives doesn't work, but not why... E) K this one doesn't make sense... F) Ken voted Gab as soon as Gab voted Infini, even though Gab said he voted Infini for past actions... On December 10 2010 12:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:57 Gabriel wrote:On December 10 2010 11:44 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 11:40 Gabriel wrote:On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote: Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? A) You dont want to be active posting B) You want to "look" active C) You read the rules but you actually dont know mafia KP? That was rare. D) You dont want to lynch inactives because that doesnt work. E) You want enlightment. F) You vote for me out of literally nowhere. I mean: i post to flip Infundibulum and you come right after me. Care to explain at least? A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. A) Well you just wrote 7 one liners and have yet to post something relevant. B) But you are NOT. It is not about how you look. Come on that is not an argument, so you post one liners to look active? what is that? Sparta? C) Well you actually read the rules because you posted the pokemon/classicmafia relation. I wonder why you just couldnt look for the mafia KP, and insisted to look clueless asking for it. D) It doesnt? well you were pretty much inactive and so was Infundibulum. Maybe it does. E) You think too much. You have again 2 posts where you "think" about this "think" about that, when it is clear that those post refer to info available in the opening rules. This heavily smells like "im not too sure, i dont know" plot. F) So you agree that you are protecting infundibulum by voting me: More reason to flip him!. A) There isnt much to post in the beginning, due to low information and lack of suspicion. B) I am not what? I posted in the beginning to "look" active because i have a history of lurking. C) You are still assuming i read the rules. Did i read or skim it? Did i read it but pass the KP? I posted that in the thread for people who also didnt know to possibly take a burden off many people. D)Idk man. you found a bunch of posts in the beginning and call me inactive? Refer to B). Why am i posting to "look" active? E) "I think its 2." hey i only played 1 game with Double Lynch before. F) your logic is flawed. i can vote for anyone i want to and im defending Infundibulum by not voting for him. Why do you think youre gonna be the main bandwagon from 1 vote? A) Says there isn't much to post in the begining, but then why post at all? Ken has something like 1/4 of the posts in the thread up to this point... why spam if there is nothing to spam about? B) So he has a history of lurking, so he just suddenly decides to change his game? From lurker to spammer? C) So now he skimmed the rules, but posted part of the rules in this thread... so apparently when he skims he picks up 100% of some rules but 0% of others? D) K Gab makes stupid argument here E) Again, refering to posting part of the rules, but then claiming to not have read the OP F) Does not refute the "defending infun by voting for Gab" thing that Gab brings up... but he does say that Gab is flawed in believing he will become the main bandwagon... and then becomes the main bandwagon Basically all my arguments are in that spoiler, would just be huge since I quoted every single post that Kenpachi made. Just the major points that I think Kenpachi is scummy: 1) A gigantic amount of posts that add nothing to the game. 11 posts in under 5 hours all of which add nothing to the game. His spam was especially apparent at the start of the game. 2) He posts about the rules found in the OP, and then repeatedly claims he never read the OP. This just doesn't make sense, how can you quote the OP without reading it... this just seems very scummy to me. 3) Answering questions without answering the questions. He posts as if he is answering a question, but then offers no information. This makes it seem like he is helping players, but he is simply confusing them more. 4) No arguments when called out. Gab calls Kenpachi out, Kenpachi posts 2 posts that say nothing and then disappears for a day... 5) While disappeared, the person that called him out is suddenly the bandwagon of the day (started by Kenpachi), and no one is questioning Kenpachi anymore. (even though others were investigating Kenpachi as well when Gab was.) This just seems very scummy... comes on, spams a lot, posts contradictory statements, gets called out, gets the guy that calls him out bandwaggoned, then disappears. So he does a good analysis on kenpachi. Unfortunately, according to the town leaders, kenpachi acts like scum but is town just because. So while you supported your argument well, this gets ignored. On December 13 2010 04:18 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 03:34 BrownBear wrote: iiiinteresting. It seems like town decided (again) to bandwagon onto an "inactive" then all went AFK and didn't switch onto a far more scummy person. Oh well, fairly standard for TL day 1, I guess.
I'm still torn as to whether an Alakazam should check zeks tonight, and report back. On one hand, we do want to be 100% sure. On the other, he's proven to be a decent lynch target already, and we really don't want to waste an Alakazam this early...
Gah. Um did you even read the thread... Kenpachi was one of the most active players in the thread, but every single one of his posts seemed scummy, he didn't even defend himself once he was put into first place. There was also a very close race between him and Zeks where Zeks was also kind of active... we didn't go after an inactive at all, don't know where your information is coming from...\ Also if you look, there were like 6 - 7 vote switches near the end of the vote, as well numerous people were talking in the thread asking for kenpachi to defend himself... I'm lost as to where you came up with us voting an inactive and then going inactive at the end of the vote... Pointing out a dumb post, good. On December 15 2010 10:23 Insanious wrote: Posting this from my blackberry so will be short, but I want everyone to keep in mind BB was a replacement. I don't think many people who get mafia will go and afk and leave a game when they get mafia. Just food for thought... Maybe BB is mafia and someone wanted town/ really didn't have time but just wanted to say BB is a replacement and from what I hear replacements are rarely red.
Huge break in activity excused by this post. Mediocre logic refuted later by kitaman27 On December 15 2010 10:23 Insanious wrote: Posting this from my blackberry so will be short, but I want everyone to keep in mind BB was a replacement. I don't think many people who get mafia will go and afk and leave a game when they get mafia. Just food for thought... Maybe BB is mafia and someone wanted town/ really didn't have time but just wanted to say BB is a replacement and from what I hear replacements are rarely red.
Oh no we’re all gonna die On December 16 2010 11:23 Insanious wrote: EBWOP:
Alright apparently I counted... there are 22 players (1 mewtwo, 6 mafia, 15 town) bright side, we have 2 cycles before we're screwed... Oh wait I can’t count. My bad On December 16 2010 11:38 Insanious wrote: Just went through the people who died posts and these are the people that they FOS'ed before they died:
Amber[LighT] the Mew was found dead. FOS Shockeyy DarthThienAn the Alakazam was found dead.FOS Eiii, LSB, DCLXVI, dimsab, Oceanic, Brocket, Insanious (+3 people who died to make it a list of 9, not 6) Pandain the Cloyster was found dead. FOS Seraph, DCLXVI
To me it looks like: DCLXVI was FOS'ed by two of the players that recently died and then was killed.
Will go back through the rest of the people who were killed the night before and who they FOS'ed before they died... but might want to take a look at the people here (and yes I included everyone who didn't die, including my self) Good, this is just the stuff the town needs. Unfortunately the town forgot about it. On December 16 2010 11:52 Insanious wrote: deconduo BrownBear Eiii dinmsab DCLXVI Ghrur Node KtheZ tube chaoser Oceanic
These people are now completely lurking, no posts, just voting... meaning they are either mafia or just town that are helping the mafia... as there are 11 i'm going to say that most of them are just town that are helping the mafia win...
People that were active then stopped: Eiii Node tube
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Incatives yay. Notice one that is missing? (hint, his name starts with an I and ends with an s) Why can lurkers get away with accusing others of inactivity? On December 16 2010 11:55 Insanious wrote: Now I'm going to FoS:
Ghrur: - Only votes - Posted to start the thread - I believe posted to defend himself once, then disappeared again
Eiii: - Suspicious posting at start of thread - Once people started to notice him, he just disappeared into the shadows and stopped posting
Will actually go through there posts once I have time, just doing laundry + studying but ya... maybe I can get in some nice analysis before bed. Lets just throw some fingers around, I’ll come back and explain later. On December 16 2010 13:37 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 13:33 LSB wrote:On December 16 2010 12:36 d3_crescentia wrote: I took the fourth hit. 3 KP + 1 SK = 4 Amber[Light]=1 Brownbear=1 Pandain=2 d3_crescentia=1 1+1+2+1=5 Explain Pandain only needed 1 hit to die... he lost his other life to the electrode from tree.hugger during night 2... This means that Pandain only needed 1 hit to die, leaving one more hit open for d3 (if he's telling the truth) Lol screw analysis I can answer questions to seem active
And that’s it. It seemed much longer but about half the hits for “insanious” when I searched the thread were people quoting him and asking for real content, putting him on an inactive list, or asking for more contributions from him. My opinion on him changed very much over the course of this analysis. At fist he was the perfect semi lurker scum. Long fluffy posts, answering questions, appearing active. He then goes on to make several posts which I consider to be good, of course because he had the same views on subjects that I did and he backed it up with strong logic. After that he drops off in activity, only posting to FOS people without reason or call for more activity from others. If I were to take a guess I would put him more likely to be scum/M2. His lack of activity hurts the town, and what he does post is even worse. He did have that one good spurt of posting, which I think must be to throw people off. However, many other people disagreed with his posts there so maybe I’m just wrong and he posted badly the whole game. Please read and comment on what you think about him. Especially you Insanious.
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FUCK I forgot to analyze his voting I'll be back
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Ok vote 1 he OMGUS voted tube, then switched to kenpachi as per his arguments. day 2 he puts a placeholder vote on himself, then decides to jump on the zeks bandwagon for the hell of it. Excuses for inactivity there too.
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Alright now to post that Im off to sleep and more importantly to complete the quad post, because everyone knows MORE POSTS = MORE TOWNIE Ill read over the KD analysis on d3 tomorrow, to tired now. I look forward to see your contribution d3.
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On December 17 2010 01:18 Insanious wrote:Here's my long analysis done on DCLXVI, I said I would do one on him and Eiii. I just didn't have the time, then DCLXVI called me out for it and did an analysis on me... so here we go. + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote: Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Trying to deflect attention by saying that he came in late, didn't pay attention, and needs to read the thread. Then he FoS's 4 people with no analysis saying that he needs to read the thread before he can analyze anyone... so if he hasn't read the thread thoroughly how can you accurately FoS people, and why should we even listen to your FoS's without any analysis done at all. Then you don't even read the thread, you just disapear for a day and a half... (December 10 15:09 -> December 12 3:39). Hey look, you said "I'll do analysis" then you didn't analyze anyone. On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote: Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Ok, so in this post your saying that I post well, but then in your analysis you say that I don't post well at all... Also not that you haven't posted in 2 days, you just pop up and go "Well done people, your looking good hunting Kenpachi, lets continue to kill this guy who posts poorly." In your post about me, you make it seem like I should of known Kenpachi was town, and not voted for him. Here, you are congratulating my posting and saying Kenpachi needs to die... Why such a turn? On December 12 2010 13:13 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 13:02 Gabriel wrote:the fuck now we have to deal with rol Uhhh, what? RoL is good, a good sign for the town. Not to mention we didn't lose one to a modkill. Whose side are you on? Alright, so you come back 10 hours later in order to say "hey guys, look at Gabriel", with no content at all. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote: Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Here there are a few problems that I see. "I did my best, I have no regrets" - You didn't analyze Kenpachi at all, you didn't contribute to his lynching, and yet you are taking part of the blame... you bandwaggoned onto him because my Tree.Hugger (blue) and my post. You even said above that it was because of me and Tree.Hugger that you voted Kenpachi. Then you say that voting town that act scummy is ok, because it helps the town get rid of distractions, but in the thread people have been lambasting people for saying the same thing... surprised you got away unscathed. Then again, for the 3rd time, you go "Hey guys, look at someone who isn't me, why? Well I have no analysis, but I'm leaving for 10+ hours" You say you are going to analyze people, but never do. It makes it seem like you are contributing to lynches but aren't. On December 13 2010 12:33 DCLXVI wrote: Couldn't a chansey save tree.hugger's target too? And I am confused by the four bodies, three dead peolpe part too. Can you explain please Dr. H? Question, can't lambast you too badly for it. Most people we're thinking the same thing, someone needed to ask it. Although, you called me out for asking questions in the thread (that if you payed attention to the posts around those questions, you would realize more than 1 other person was wondering the same thing, as such getting answered in the thread helped the town more than just me getting the answer in a PM). Although, why do you call me out for questions when you are posting questions in the thread too? You could of PM'ed DcH, he would of answered you if he could, seeing how he posted in the thread, he could have. On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote: With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another. Here you point fingers at Gabriel, with no analysis, and then jump off to answer a question. Again no real content, just directions that you could have done your self. Also want to point out that here you again disappeared for over a day and a half. December 13 12:333 -> December 15 5:23. So many times that you post, then disappear for 36 hours, seems like a reoccurring event. Looks like you are trying to keep being seen without actually being seen. On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote: I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. No real content, just being sarcastic. Especially since if you read the post around Brocket's you would know that he was replying to the conversation around his post, rather then just randomly stating a lot of what he said... maybe if during the 36 hours you were not here you actually read up on the posts, you would actually be useful, instead of trying to get people to FoS Brocket. WoW what another reoccurring theme, not only do you disappear for 36 hour stints, but when you pop up, you FoS active members of the community with no analysis, and then disappear again for someone else to pick up the detective work for you. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Once again playing the "Sorry I don't read the thread a lot" card before posting a huge post that is filled with what you think the town should do... and again with no substance or back up. You say "the mafia is killing off active players" well duh, we all knew that. That's why everyone has been telling people to protect active players. "well maybe we should do this, or do this, or do this" with no real reasons why, or how those things will help the town... its a long confusing post that really says nothing. Why do you keep telling people who to lynch and how to act without actually contributing to the thread? No analysis, just FoS and gone. On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular: - Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers. - The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Calling out a bandwagon that never happened (as posted later by other players). You also come back again, saying people are targeted you, but its really only D3 (who subsequently has FoS'ed at least 10 different people this thread if you read it). Now you defend your self without really defending your self... "I voted these guys because they looked scummy, period." no analysis of anything, you can't even point back to a post where you did any analysis all game... Then you FoS D3, LSB, and Amber at the bottom, again with no analysis at all. Just a gut feeling and them voting Shockeyy. On December 16 2010 12:49 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 10:19 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular: - Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers. - The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. WTF? Did you read what I posted? I accuse you of changing the meaning of my posts and you call me a trash poster? How does this have any relevance to what I posted? On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote: Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. another "trashy" post of course On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote: Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. Do you just read the first line of what I post and then ignore the rest? Because that is the only way I can understand what you are talking about. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote: Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? NOT NEEDED but asked for, notice I quoted someone who questioned the lynch. I'm sorry for further explaining my rationale behind voting, perhaps next till I will just randomly vote people off a list like you do: On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote: ##vote: Shockeyy On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote: With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? Maybe if you had some FORESIGHT you could've prepared better for losing mew. Now it will be even harder for us to find mewtwo, especially since people like you try to stop any town discussion like this. Notice the town cannot win with mewtwo alive, so while it might be in M2's best interest to appear townie, the town still needs to kill him. Why are you so scared of us finding mewtwo? Is that your role? On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote: I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. Maybe if you had some BRAINS you could've noticed the sarcasm in the post, pointing to the uselessness of brocket's post. I guess things like this are too subtle for players of your caliber. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies ). I guess I should post more like you: Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 10:39 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote: If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie. So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all. Here you are participating in a flame war with d3... not helping the town at all. You don't even analyze d3 who's calling you out and posting a thread filled with rage and not logic... why are you giving no one any information... On December 16 2010 13:08 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 12:58 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 12:49 DCLXVI wrote:On December 16 2010 10:19 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular: - Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers. - The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. WTF? Did you read what I posted? I accuse you of changing the meaning of my posts and you call me a trash poster? How does this have any relevance to what I posted? On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote: Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. another "trashy" post of course On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote: Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. Do you just read the first line of what I post and then ignore the rest? Because that is the only way I can understand what you are talking about. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote: Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? NOT NEEDED but asked for, notice I quoted someone who questioned the lynch. I'm sorry for further explaining my rationale behind voting, perhaps next till I will just randomly vote people off a list like you do: On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote: ##vote: Shockeyy On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote: With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? Maybe if you had some FORESIGHT you could've prepared better for losing mew. Now it will be even harder for us to find mewtwo, especially since people like you try to stop any town discussion like this. Notice the town cannot win with mewtwo alive, so while it might be in M2's best interest to appear townie, the town still needs to kill him. Why are you so scared of us finding mewtwo? Is that your role? On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote: I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. Maybe if you had some BRAINS you could've noticed the sarcasm in the post, pointing to the uselessness of brocket's post. I guess things like this are too subtle for players of your caliber. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies ). I guess I should post more like you: On December 16 2010 10:39 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote: If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie. So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all. Congratulations on returning fire; don't you feel GREAT about yourself now that you've contributed a post that amounts to a "NO U"? I'm sorry, "medics protect who you think you should" isn't telling them anything they don't know already. Post some real content for fuck's sake, because criticism and disagreement means jack shit unless you provide alternatives. If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to get town back on the right track, whereas all you do is whine about how I've mischaracterized you instead of contributing. Go analyze some other people, unless you're too scared to out your scum buddies. You don't seem to understand that I am calling you out for doing a terrible analysis. You are not helping the town by doing so. Once again you take half of what I say and turn it to fit your fancy. I asked for the medics to protect the town leaders over themselves, READ MY POSTS. Also, what happened to the rest of your "analysis"? I'm just right so you ignore it and flame me? Why don't you post some REAL content instead of calling for everyone else to do it instead? Funny, "why don't you post real content" why don't you DCL? I mean really... here you call out d3 for terrible analysis when you have done 0 analysis all game. At least d3 is trying, heck even if he is mafia at least the town gets some information even if skewed, at least this gives the town paths to go down. You have done nothing to help the town at all, and your most recent posts have been nothing but flaming your accuser. You haven't analyzed anything that has been said against you just quoted the whole post and went "LoL flamer" On December 16 2010 13:20 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 13:16 kitaman27 wrote:On December 14 2010 14:33 Gabriel wrote: TWO: Hesmyrr is claiming now. That can still be a mafia ploy so i find interesting that he "just" claimed now. Ill just let it go for now. Hesmyrrs replacement is by no means cleared yet.
Now that Hesmyrr/Pandain has taken the second hit, we know that he was indeed telling the truth. Here Gabriel discredits the hit claim to prevent the existence of a town confirmed member. Why would Hesmyrr claim taking a hit if he was mafia? That doesn't make sense. While I believe he stated that in a poor manner, Gabriel is technically right, however unlikely the situation is. Hesmyrr could have been mewtwo, which would be a great way to get into the town's confirmed list. Mafia could've stacked hits on someone, then had hesmyrr claim, to get him confirmed. While both options are highly unlikely, there are possibilities. Highly likely but not fully confirmed would've been a better way to put it. Pulling out random conspiracy theories... although possible, I think few mafia would of thought to do anything like this... especially since they are so close to winning, they don't need to hide when the town is so fractured. But w/e, guess your post just says "don't trust anyone" which we already knew... On December 16 2010 13:54 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 13:30 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 13:08 DCLXVI wrote:On December 16 2010 12:58 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 12:49 DCLXVI wrote:On December 16 2010 10:19 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular: - Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers. - The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. WTF? Did you read what I posted? I accuse you of changing the meaning of my posts and you call me a trash poster? How does this have any relevance to what I posted? On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote: Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. another "trashy" post of course On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote: Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. Do you just read the first line of what I post and then ignore the rest? Because that is the only way I can understand what you are talking about. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote: Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? NOT NEEDED but asked for, notice I quoted someone who questioned the lynch. I'm sorry for further explaining my rationale behind voting, perhaps next till I will just randomly vote people off a list like you do: On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote: ##vote: Shockeyy On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote: With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? Maybe if you had some FORESIGHT you could've prepared better for losing mew. Now it will be even harder for us to find mewtwo, especially since people like you try to stop any town discussion like this. Notice the town cannot win with mewtwo alive, so while it might be in M2's best interest to appear townie, the town still needs to kill him. Why are you so scared of us finding mewtwo? Is that your role? On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote: I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. Maybe if you had some BRAINS you could've noticed the sarcasm in the post, pointing to the uselessness of brocket's post. I guess things like this are too subtle for players of your caliber. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies ). I guess I should post more like you: On December 16 2010 10:39 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote: If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie. So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all. Congratulations on returning fire; don't you feel GREAT about yourself now that you've contributed a post that amounts to a "NO U"? I'm sorry, "medics protect who you think you should" isn't telling them anything they don't know already. Post some real content for fuck's sake, because criticism and disagreement means jack shit unless you provide alternatives. If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to get town back on the right track, whereas all you do is whine about how I've mischaracterized you instead of contributing. Go analyze some other people, unless you're too scared to out your scum buddies. You don't seem to understand that I am calling you out for doing a terrible analysis. You are not helping the town by doing so. Once again you take half of what I say and turn it to fit your fancy. I asked for the medics to protect the town leaders over themselves, READ MY POSTS. Also, what happened to the rest of your "analysis"? I'm just right so you ignore it and flame me? Why don't you post some REAL content instead of calling for everyone else to do it instead? I did read your posts. I found them wanting. If I'm doing a terrible analysis then do a better one. Make it on me. Make it on someone else. I don't really care; just make it so that you're doing it on someone and that town can benefit from the discussion. I am trying my best to offer something that resembles analysis, but if half the town is sitting around scratching their heads and saying "durr should we lynch shockeyy now" when we are down 4 blues then we are going to lose, period. That's the problem I have with you. You offer no viable alternatives. You offer vague plans. You offer mild criticism but don't push for anything concrete. If you think my posts are terrible and deliberately designed to mislead town then for fuck's sake get the entire town to vote me and be done with it. I find you "analysis" lacking. You also add nothing to the discussion, just attack random people with poor logic. I will take you up on your offer however. It seems as if kevdragon has claimed you though, so I will analyze Insanious instead. While I am composing it I would like to see you add something to the town too, and remember, quote don't summarize Hmmm so you point out that someone is doing analysis and that it is lacking, when you have yet to analyze anyone at all... Then you randomly FoS me... where that comes from I don't know, although you have already FoS'ed at least 5 people (maybe more haven't been counting) with no analysis... suprised some actually came this time. On December 16 2010 15:02 DCLXVI wrote: FUCK I forgot to analyze his voting I'll be back Will go over your "analysis" in my next post, just wanted to get this out of the way... but hey you called me scum for EBWOP then you do it, and yet you don't even add any more information, you simply just spam... On December 16 2010 15:07 DCLXVI wrote: Ok vote 1 he OMGUS voted tube, then switched to kenpachi as per his arguments. day 2 he puts a placeholder vote on himself, then decides to jump on the zeks bandwagon for the hell of it. Excuses for inactivity there too.
Oh hey look EBWOP that could have been done 1 post ago... Although have to say, the way you write this doesn't even look line an analysis, he it doesn't even seem like you found anything on me based on my voting and just had to post something... On December 16 2010 15:10 DCLXVI wrote: Alright now to post that Im off to sleep and more importantly to complete the quad post, because everyone knows MORE POSTS = MORE TOWNIE Ill read over the KD analysis on d3 tomorrow, to tired now. I look forward to see your contribution d3. 3 spam posts in a row, saying you have to go to bed, which really doesn't matter to the town. So you do an analysis then spam the thread, good job? - - - - - - - - Overall... this is what I see: 1) Inactive poster, that posted every 36 hours according to the post dates on this posts previous inactive poster, I have had quite a lot to say in the past 2 days or so. Then again I still managed to post a reasonable amount compared to the rest of the players. I'm not saying I was active very much then, but you seem to ignore everything that I did post with content.2) Poster that when ever he posted something FoS'd someone random, then disapeared Is this english?3) Contributed nothing to the thread, just did token posts to seem like he was participating aside from my criticism of some people's ideas and my recent analysis on you4) Continuously uses the "I don't read the thread much" card, even though he seems to know what's going on That is a Lie, I never posted anything remotely like that5) Doesn't even defend himself, but in the ends of posts likes to defend other people (mainly Gabe) yeah i never defend myself... did you even read my posts? and where do you get the idea that I am mainly defending Gabe?6) Got FoS'd by two players who died in the last night period To me that looks like an obvious mafia frame, to you i guess it means differently7) I show that he got FoS'd by two players who TR killed, and then I get FoS'd by him ??? did you read my analysis on you before posting this? Or do you just like throwing around acronyms?Hmmm... doesn't seem like a productive member of the town... seems more like scum to me. Nice conclusion. try reading my posts next time.
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On December 17 2010 02:14 Insanious wrote:My review of DCLXVI’s analysis on me, and my response. + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 07:19 Insanious wrote: Professor Oak was way better than Rowen, or the other Professors throughout the different lands, this is the saddest start to a mafia ever. Useless, but w/e. First post of the day, commenting on the theme. At least he included all of my posts, but hey. Most of the people made a comment on the theme, most of them are dead, and all of them were town. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:04 Insanious wrote:On December 10 2010 07:56 LSB wrote:On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:On December 10 2010 07:42 Oceanic wrote: Doesn't it say in 1 of the guides posted that lynching an inactive day 1 is not something you should do? Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open. We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells. Having a general system for how blues play is pretty important. We need to establish a good town environment where the most pro-town players won't find themselves dead. We need to establish a place where everyone is active. Sure, we could leave everything to RNG, but we could do so much more with the blues. I have to agree with this, having a general idea of how the town runs will help keep down the number of accidental lynchings. This is more or less pulled from one of the guides that DcH posted, but when you have a town that uses larger posts, filled with a lot of information, it makes it a lot easier to pick out those that want to give no new information and are simply regurgitating stuff that has already been said in the thread.If we start with a town that runs this way, it should carry through to the end of the game. The best way to keep a town that functions correctly functioning this way would be to keep the people that are running in a more administrative fashion (i guess i could say that) where they are trying to keep some semblance of order alive. I mean a town that runs all willy-nilly chaotic is a town that breeds scum, where a town that runs in a more ordered fashion has a higher chance of weeding out those that are trying to bring disorder to an already disorderly situation. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? It says that the mafia get 3kp, added to this mewtwo (although not part of the mafia, is still playing against the town) has 1kp. This means there can be 3 mafia targets, and 1 third party target a night. So the first bit is about how he agrees with LSB about the need for a plan and organization. This is useless but really long and looks nice. The second part answers a dumb question, I have no problem with that. People seem to look at that as a useless post, but I don’t. Remember that there are over 10 new Mafia players (as in, first time mafia players) in this game. As such, most people don’t know how to play or post. I was trying to help people with that. Telling them to post longer to help the town, put information in it. People who have played multiple games would know how to post, people who have never played will pick it up eventually, but why not help the town day 1? On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:20 Insanious wrote:On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? I'm newer at this as well, but have been reading a few mafia games, but i think some of the things people want in a pro-town environment are: - Longer, well thought out posts. This way ideas don't get lost. If you post a million tiny posts people can get bored, or will skip over having to read like 5 pages when everything could have just been put into a single longer post and people will have less to read. This way the town can see people who are posting small posts that try to bury information. - Long, well thought out accusations of scum. If you have posts that have like 8 quotes in them, people can better see a pattern in someones behavior. This can also help stop bandwagoning onto an innocent, as with a long post someone has a lot of information to refute, and you can also then point out scum who are using selective posts. This way it is easier to spot people who are trying to mislead the town. - Less peer-pressure, in a more pro-town environment there is less calling out of people, this can result in less blues being forced to reveal, which not only makes the town more vulnerable but also forces a chancey (in this case) to protect the blue for fear that they die. As well, this can reduce the amount of greens that need to reveal, that make them vulnerable due to them no longer being able to be lynch bait. I think those are more or less the major points of a more pro-town environment rather than an anti-town environment, if I missed anything just add to the list. Long posts are better than short ones, attack scum, but not townies. I’ll make a note here that the lurker Deconduo rears his head and posts an “I agree” post right after. Jcarlsoniv posts after pointing out how useless Insanious’s first few posts were, long and fluffy. You do realize that right after that I respond to jcarl right after this, and then he agrees with me that my posts were warrented, but you don’t even put that in the next posts... you keep attacking me for a post that was deemed ok by my original accuser. Eiii asked questions, so I answered them. This is legitimate, if 1 person has a question, then in a game of 30 people, with 10 who have never played a mafia game, then most likely there is at least 1 more lurker who does not want to ask the question but is still confused. Posting information for all to see is always good for the town, especially when it information that people ask for, and its information that is good for the town to know... and when its answered correctly. I would also like to note, that as of up to this point in the game, I have contributed infinity more times than you simply because you have yet to post in the thread yet... heck according to you, you had yet to even start reading yet... On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 09:29 Insanious wrote:On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 10 2010 08:04 Insanious wrote:On December 10 2010 07:56 LSB wrote:On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:On December 10 2010 07:42 Oceanic wrote: Doesn't it say in 1 of the guides posted that lynching an inactive day 1 is not something you should do? Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open. We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells. Having a general system for how blues play is pretty important. We need to establish a good town environment where the most pro-town players won't find themselves dead. We need to establish a place where everyone is active. Sure, we could leave everything to RNG, but we could do so much more with the blues. I have to agree with this, having a general idea of how the town runs will help keep down the number of accidental lynchings. This is more or less pulled from one of the guides that DcH posted, but when you have a town that uses larger posts, filled with a lot of information, it makes it a lot easier to pick out those that want to give no new information and are simply regurgitating stuff that has already been said in the thread.If we start with a town that runs this way, it should carry through to the end of the game. The best way to keep a town that functions correctly functioning this way would be to keep the people that are running in a more administrative fashion (i guess i could say that) where they are trying to keep some semblance of order alive. I mean a town that runs all willy-nilly chaotic is a town that breeds scum, where a town that runs in a more ordered fashion has a higher chance of weeding out those that are trying to bring disorder to an already disorderly situation. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? It says that the mafia get 3kp, added to this mewtwo (although not part of the mafia, is still playing against the town) has 1kp. This means there can be 3 mafia targets, and 1 third party target a night. You mean like this post is doing? From your two posts, I've noticed you haven't really added too much at all. Your first post was almost exclusively regurgitating previous posts. Your second one you seemed to be trying to add more, saying you've read guides, and it appears that you are trying hard to look like the poster child of "how to be a townie". Everyone pretty much knows the environment that is conducive to town progress. It is very apparent when scum tries to disrupt things if they are going smoothly. We just have to catch them as they are doing it before things spiral out of control. Townies don't need to try to look like townies, because they already are. Two newer mafia players asked two questions, I was simply answering them. Its not like I was just throwing that info out there as if it was anything new. Eiii asked what a pro-town environment entitled, while Kenpachi asked how many attacks the mafia can make in a night. Both of which they could of found by reading what DrH posted, but I thought it would be nice to answer both questions... I guess if you would rather I could of simply just not answered their questions and left them guessing. Insanious admits that the only content to his posts is answering a few newbie questions, ignores the fact that the rest of his post is useless. Don’t put words in my mouth, I say nothing of the sort. I think pot of my posts are filled with good information for newer players, the people who they were geared towards. These posts are there to help people who’ve never played before start playing better. I never said once that my posts have little to no content, where did you even get that idea from what I said? You attacked d3 for paraphrasing your ideas... you even called him scum. Hypocrate? On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 13:56 Insanious wrote: Completely random I know... but can someone tell me how to get to the voting thread. On the front page it says "vote in a separate thread found here" but there's no link on here, or after it. I think I missed where it was listed and would be nice to be able to see the votes... I have a feeling I'm missing something very obvious. Time for questions! Because asking questions is something scum like to do and it adds to your post count making you seem active. PM the host next time please. So when there were 2 other posts behind mine that said that they wanted to know the answer to this question as well, and that it helped them, and they thanked me in the thread... I should of just PM’ed DcH and had them not know how to vote and get mod killed? Read the posts around mine, I helped the new players in the town figure out where the voting thread was, there were thank you posts... how about when you analyze someone you actually take into account what there actions have done. Aka. You are attacking me for informing the town on how to vote against mafia. This post makes you seem like you don’t want me to help inform the town how to vote, unless you are mafia, why don’t you want the town to know how to vote? Why do you want town to be mod killed? Please answer me as to why you think it is a good idea to let 3 town be mod killed because they don’t know how to vote. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 14:10 Insanious wrote: You can change votes right, like ##unvote XXXX; Vote XXXX or no?
Also to actually contribute to the thread somewhat, I really don't like either of the bandwagons we have going. Infun hasn't really done anything, especially not to garner the wrath of 10% of the people playing this game. On the other hand Gab came off a little rough and confrontational, but I really don't think he came off that scummy... Another question… and then … he says he hasn’t posted much content so to make up for it he presents us with this gem. “umm this guy seems scummy but no one is doing much, maybe this guy to.” Where is the content? What stance do you take on these people and WHY? Again, having the information in the thread for those to read is better then getting it in a PM. I’ve read mafia games where the mafia PM the GM for information so that they know things that the town doesn’t, and then exploits this information. Having it posted in the thread, where it wasn’t before, only helps the town not hinders it. Also, I was only referring to my last post, not all my posts. Again, stop putting words in my mouth. I got attacked for posting something with no thread content before, so I decided to amalgamate my posts into one. Something you did not do at the end of your analysis and now have 3 posts in a row... heck you even ask a question in this thread and have no content on the end, why are you attacking me for something you do? Also I was asking why people were voting Infun (which if you read the posts around mine, you would know half the town was asking why people were voting Infun who did nothing all game). And then I just said I didn’t think Gabe looked scummy. This is better than what you have done with your FoS’s by the way. If you actually compare this post to any of your posts with an FoS, this post has more content. You cannot call me out for lack of content. At least my post has more meat to it than “I FoS Meepak” like all of your posts for the first 6 days of this thread... ya I did an analysis after, and ya you have 0 analysis at least this has something. Sad when you attack me for doing more than you did. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote: So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey... And your explanation for you vote was what exactly? Oh that’s right, you didn’t. But that is not important, because you learned how to point fingers! I didn’t point fingers at all, I was asking for an analysis of Gab rather than a bandwagon. I was also scared of an irreversible bandwagon day 1. As well, I really didn’t think I had to post why I voted tube, other people did analysis and I jumped on him... kind of like you with Kenpachi, oh right you jumped on my analysis for that, at least I did some analysis for the town... you have done none up until this one. Again, funny how you call me out for no analysis, when even asking “hey guys where’s your analysis” is more reason to jump on someone then you every posted. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote: So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey... Another useless post You quoted the same post, but again the other post was an EBWOP since we cannot edit. So you are attacking me for following the rules of the thread... which you then follow right after this analysis. So why are you attacking me for this at all? Its an EBWOP. This makes no sence. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 05:26 Insanious wrote: Gab cant really explain him self :/, there isnt enough info in the game to do so... and I mean from the looks of it, it looks like Gab was just trying to push peoples buttons to see their reaction to his posts about who he thought was scum, that go way overboard and suddenly 1/6th of the people in this game are voting that he is scum...
People are like "its only 6 out of 31" but really, once a bandwagon gets running its hard to stop unless you slow it down early... I don't think any more votes on Gab right now will help the town, all it will do is seal Gab's fate... Now this post is interesting. This is a step up from pointing fingers at people voting gabe, now he says that it is hurtful for the town to vote for scummy people. “It wasn’t really gabe’s fault he acted scummy, he was just trying to get a reaction.” Yeah right, I’ve seen that defense used too many times on scum to let it get by this game. Um, you do realize in a post you make you simply say “I don’t think Gab is scum” why are you even attacking me for this either? The post is to warn people not to bandwagon on Gabriel too early so that it cannot be reversed. Once you get 10+ people on someone, they are going to die. You need to get 2 – 3 people that you vote for, so that mafia cannot just bandwagon onto a single person and hide. This is sound advice, and you attack me for it. Again, attacking me for helping the town... On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:42 Insanious wrote: tube your acting simply just very confrontational right now... what chaoser was trying to say is that you have to start the game somewhere. Promoting lynching inactives is a place to start. You never want to end with simply lynching inactives, but the discussion between whether we lynch or do not lynch inactives can actually lead to something that can be analyzed.
Look at every mafia game here, or on any other site and it always starts with the "do we lynch inactives or not", why? Because it gets people talking, and unless people talk then we will never ever find scum.
Activity is counter productive to the mafia, as that means they have to participate more, and that gives them more chances to slip up.
LSB started on the convo, but now we have found a few people acting scummy, and as such we are no longer talking about lynching inactives, but weather to lynch people who've actually said something.
Do we lynch Kenpachi for his posting habbits, Gab for his out burst, Infun for his previous actions, LSB for trying to be the head of the town, or you for just angrily, randomly, accusing people of being scum.
This is where the game should be focused, but we needed a start... and lynching inactives is a start. This I can’t argue with, besides the repeat of “activity is good”. I agree that starting with the lynching inactives always leads to scum slips or at least more town activity. Oh hey look my justification for voting tube, that you ignored in your “voting analysis”. Dude this is why I voted tube at the start, I thought he looked like scum. Better than what you did “I agree *votes kenpachi*” at least I added something to the thread. Nice of you to attack me in a separate post, and then forgetting about your own analysis... looks like your analysis was very thorough. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 17:14 Insanious wrote:Hell anyone else notice a trend... 1) Gabe accuses Kenpachi 2) Kenpachi tries to defend himself poorly 3) Kenpachi votes for Gabe 4) Jcarl jumps in and defends Ken, while trying to put a case against Gabe 5) People bandwagon Gabe 6) People start to look else where for scum 7) Kenpachi jumps in and makes us look back at Gabe 8) Gabe tries to ignore Ken, and tries to act like the rest of us (Eii, Chaos, tube, etc...) 9) Jcarl comes back and tries to get us to focus back on Gabe Kenpachi and Jcarl, why you two working so closely together to try and get us to hang Gabe when a large part of the town is like "... Gabe really doesn't look that scummy..." On December 11 2010 16:58 Eiii wrote: ...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O On December 11 2010 08:30 KtheZ wrote: I'm not sure if we should really take Gabriel's actions that greatly into consideration. Considering that he is a relatively veteran player, I don't think the bandwagon against him is of great value. If he was mafia, isnt it common sense for them to talk about a game plan and think things out before posting, rather than actively arguing with people?
On December 11 2010 04:28 LSB wrote: The problem is now, why the bandwagon the bandwagon against Gabriel took place. (i'll look into it later, right now I'm hard pressed for time) On December 11 2010 04:15 Hesmyrr wrote: There is one possible reason why I am willing to give Gabriel null-read for now, but I am going to wait for him to come and explain himself first to see if his argument agrees with mine. On December 11 2010 03:15 seRapH wrote: Oh come on guys, 5 people voting for Gabriel out of nowhere? He hasn't really been very scummy imo. I'm keeping an eye on this bandwagon for scum, it's very likely that someone amongst these 5 are poison-type pokemon, maybe even multiple of them.
- - - - - - - - - - - - On December 11 2010 02:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: I agree with you, which is why I'm not convinced he's scum. He is making wild accusations though that is disrupting everything, and even if he's town, removing that isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, if we can find scum, I definitely want that, obviously. I just want Gabriel to have an eye kept on him. ^^^ huh? Isn't that contradictory to the two huge posts you made against Gabe? "I don't think he's scum... but let's vote him and then see what happens!" The whole kenpachi +jcarlsoniv thing didn’t work out, but it was a nice try I guess Infinity more analysis than you have ever done... oh and you used this as your justification for voting for Kenpachi, therefore you must of thought it was good. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 03:19 Insanious wrote:On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote: asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum Its not THAT you post, its WHAT you post... the problem is that all of your posts are spam and none of them offer anything. I actually also prepared a case against you, but tree.hugger got there before me so I didn't think I should post everything you wrote again, but really: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 06:55 Kenpachi wrote: yes! got my pm and the games beginning~ Very excited over his role, that's not that unusual... On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: Until you see that he posts against 16 minutes later just to spam that he's in the game, wouldn't the post before hand of been enough? All this does is clutter up the thread with no additional content. Post could not have happened. On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. Then he continues with the spam. Here he posts a list of the pokemon roles to normal mafia roles. This is something that looks helpful, but isn't helpful at all. Everyone would of red the starting post to see what the roles do, equating them with other words isn't helpful in the least, but it does SEEM helpful. As well, he also points out that the reds have little to fear from the town besides lynching as there are no vig killers. Why does he point that out? Re-leaved? On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. Again, more spam... seems like he is posting every 10 minutes or less, just to rack up posts. He says it doesn't work, but doesn't explain why. He is simply shooting down an idea without adding to the conversation. This kills information flow, something a red would like to do. If he was green/blue, he could of posted more to his opinion,why he thought that. Something with more meat "Claiming is a no no because there are so many mafia that any lies will take forever for the DT to check out, as well it will make our blues more susceptible as then the mafia will know who exactly to hit every-night." Even that is less suspicious than what Ken posted. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? His last post previous showed that he read the starting post, as he pulled the names and roles of the different jobs from the starting post, but then why does he feign ignorance? If you read what all the roles did, do you expect me to believe that he didn't scroll down a few lines to see how many KP the mafia got? If he would of just read the OP, instead of posting this it would of been less suspicious. But this seems like another thing scum do, play the "I'm new card" this is a subtle one, that just says "look at me asking this noob question, i must not know much" it is a defense as people are less likely to lynch a new player than an experienced one. On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think Here he is answering a question, without actually answering the question. He posts something that looks like an answer but offers no real insight at all. He doesn't explain what a pro-town environment is, he just simply states what it should look like and then moves on. It is just clutter, that can also just act as a way to confuse a newer player. Not to mention, Eiii might of been less likely to ask the question against later even though it wasn't really responded to simply to avoid looking foolish after kenpachi, a more experienced player, "answered" it. If he was town, he should of just ignored this, or went to one of the links DocH posted and just copie-pasted the analysis of a pro-town environment, both would of done more good. On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote: Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. Including this to include all his posts, answering a question where he simply copies from the OP... again. (note this is not scummy behaviour, but i wanted to include all posts) On December 10 2010 11:30 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote: Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain
A) your vote B) your deep posts?
what? Pure spam... adds nothing to the conversation. Would have been better to actually refute the claims instead of spam here. He could of looked like a green/blue, but instead he continues to post like a red, more spam and more dismissal of arguments without any sound logic. On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote: Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? Posts two seconds later, more spam, and again... doesn't add anything. Doesn't refute the claim against him, does not try to argue against Gab at all, he simply just tries to dismiss any claim against him without even a logical argument. On December 10 2010 11:44 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:40 Gabriel wrote:On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote: Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? A) You dont want to be active posting B) You want to "look" active C) You read the rules but you actually dont know mafia KP? That was rare. D) You dont want to lynch inactives because that doesnt work. E) You want enlightment. F) You vote for me out of literally nowhere. I mean: i post to flip Infundibulum and you come right after me. Care to explain at least? A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. Here, he doesn't even refute the arguments brought against him. A) Says 4 hours isn't enough time to judge activity, and then he says something that makes no sence B) He says posting = activity, but it doesn't... Kenpachi posts empty posts that make him look active without contributing... posting without content does not make you an active member of the comunity. C) He says he didn't read the rules here... even though he posted the roles as his 3rd post in the game. So he read the rules but didn't read the rules? D) Says lynching inactives doesn't work, but not why... E) K this one doesn't make sense... F) Ken voted Gab as soon as Gab voted Infini, even though Gab said he voted Infini for past actions... On December 10 2010 12:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:57 Gabriel wrote:On December 10 2010 11:44 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 11:40 Gabriel wrote:On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote: Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? A) You dont want to be active posting B) You want to "look" active C) You read the rules but you actually dont know mafia KP? That was rare. D) You dont want to lynch inactives because that doesnt work. E) You want enlightment. F) You vote for me out of literally nowhere. I mean: i post to flip Infundibulum and you come right after me. Care to explain at least? A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. A) Well you just wrote 7 one liners and have yet to post something relevant. B) But you are NOT. It is not about how you look. Come on that is not an argument, so you post one liners to look active? what is that? Sparta? C) Well you actually read the rules because you posted the pokemon/classicmafia relation. I wonder why you just couldnt look for the mafia KP, and insisted to look clueless asking for it. D) It doesnt? well you were pretty much inactive and so was Infundibulum. Maybe it does. E) You think too much. You have again 2 posts where you "think" about this "think" about that, when it is clear that those post refer to info available in the opening rules. This heavily smells like "im not too sure, i dont know" plot. F) So you agree that you are protecting infundibulum by voting me: More reason to flip him!. A) There isnt much to post in the beginning, due to low information and lack of suspicion. B) I am not what? I posted in the beginning to "look" active because i have a history of lurking. C) You are still assuming i read the rules. Did i read or skim it? Did i read it but pass the KP? I posted that in the thread for people who also didnt know to possibly take a burden off many people. D)Idk man. you found a bunch of posts in the beginning and call me inactive? Refer to B). Why am i posting to "look" active? E) "I think its 2." hey i only played 1 game with Double Lynch before. F) your logic is flawed. i can vote for anyone i want to and im defending Infundibulum by not voting for him. Why do you think youre gonna be the main bandwagon from 1 vote? A) Says there isn't much to post in the begining, but then why post at all? Ken has something like 1/4 of the posts in the thread up to this point... why spam if there is nothing to spam about? B) So he has a history of lurking, so he just suddenly decides to change his game? From lurker to spammer? C) So now he skimmed the rules, but posted part of the rules in this thread... so apparently when he skims he picks up 100% of some rules but 0% of others? D) K Gab makes stupid argument here E) Again, refering to posting part of the rules, but then claiming to not have read the OP F) Does not refute the "defending infun by voting for Gab" thing that Gab brings up... but he does say that Gab is flawed in believing he will become the main bandwagon... and then becomes the main bandwagon Basically all my arguments are in that spoiler, would just be huge since I quoted every single post that Kenpachi made. Just the major points that I think Kenpachi is scummy: 1) A gigantic amount of posts that add nothing to the game. 11 posts in under 5 hours all of which add nothing to the game. His spam was especially apparent at the start of the game. 2) He posts about the rules found in the OP, and then repeatedly claims he never read the OP. This just doesn't make sense, how can you quote the OP without reading it... this just seems very scummy to me. 3) Answering questions without answering the questions. He posts as if he is answering a question, but then offers no information. This makes it seem like he is helping players, but he is simply confusing them more. 4) No arguments when called out. Gab calls Kenpachi out, Kenpachi posts 2 posts that say nothing and then disappears for a day... 5) While disappeared, the person that called him out is suddenly the bandwagon of the day (started by Kenpachi), and no one is questioning Kenpachi anymore. (even though others were investigating Kenpachi as well when Gab was.) This just seems very scummy... comes on, spams a lot, posts contradictory statements, gets called out, gets the guy that calls him out bandwaggoned, then disappears. So he does a good analysis on kenpachi. Unfortunately, according to the town leaders, kenpachi acts like scum but is town just because. So while you supported your argument well, this gets ignored. Um, I have never played a game of mafia before, let alone with Kenpachi. But at least I made an effort, you made none, and then said “Insanious and Tree.Huggers analysis of kenpachi is...” the reason you voted for Kenpachi. Don’t ignore this in a scum hunt. Things like this should show you I’m not scum. I actually did analysis and good analysis, something a mafia wouldn’t do. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 04:18 Insanious wrote:On December 13 2010 03:34 BrownBear wrote: iiiinteresting. It seems like town decided (again) to bandwagon onto an "inactive" then all went AFK and didn't switch onto a far more scummy person. Oh well, fairly standard for TL day 1, I guess.
I'm still torn as to whether an Alakazam should check zeks tonight, and report back. On one hand, we do want to be 100% sure. On the other, he's proven to be a decent lynch target already, and we really don't want to waste an Alakazam this early...
Gah. Um did you even read the thread... Kenpachi was one of the most active players in the thread, but every single one of his posts seemed scummy, he didn't even defend himself once he was put into first place. There was also a very close race between him and Zeks where Zeks was also kind of active... we didn't go after an inactive at all, don't know where your information is coming from...\ Also if you look, there were like 6 - 7 vote switches near the end of the vote, as well numerous people were talking in the thread asking for kenpachi to defend himself... I'm lost as to where you came up with us voting an inactive and then going inactive at the end of the vote... Pointing out a dumb post, good. So I’m scum before I’m doing good things for the town... this makes perfect sense really. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 10:23 Insanious wrote: Posting this from my blackberry so will be short, but I want everyone to keep in mind BB was a replacement. I don't think many people who get mafia will go and afk and leave a game when they get mafia. Just food for thought... Maybe BB is mafia and someone wanted town/ really didn't have time but just wanted to say BB is a replacement and from what I hear replacements are rarely red.
Huge break in activity excused by this post. Mediocre logic refuted later by kitaman27 I’m sorry that I go to school and have exams and cannot be online all the... wait a second. You are calling me out for activity breaks when you have made 2 36 hours breaks, and have posted basically nothing except in the last 24 hours. Seriously... On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 10:23 Insanious wrote: Posting this from my blackberry so will be short, but I want everyone to keep in mind BB was a replacement. I don't think many people who get mafia will go and afk and leave a game when they get mafia. Just food for thought... Maybe BB is mafia and someone wanted town/ really didn't have time but just wanted to say BB is a replacement and from what I hear replacements are rarely red.
Oh no we’re all gonna die Wrong post quoted, although I counted wrong so it was a lot less “oh noes we going to die” but if you noticed, like 5 people made similar posts around this time, at least I put the numbers up for us. More than you have done all thread, heck more than most people have done... On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 11:23 Insanious wrote: EBWOP:
Alright apparently I counted... there are 22 players (1 mewtwo, 6 mafia, 15 town) bright side, we have 2 cycles before we're screwed... Oh wait I can’t count. My bad Attacking me for editing my post because I miscounted, I cannot edit due to rules of the thread or this post wouldn’t exist. You do the same EBWOP after your analysis of me... should I call you out for this? At least I’m not leaving wrong information in the thread for all to read. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 11:38 Insanious wrote: Just went through the people who died posts and these are the people that they FOS'ed before they died:
Amber[LighT] the Mew was found dead. FOS Shockeyy DarthThienAn the Alakazam was found dead.FOS Eiii, LSB, DCLXVI, dimsab, Oceanic, Brocket, Insanious (+3 people who died to make it a list of 9, not 6) Pandain the Cloyster was found dead. FOS Seraph, DCLXVI
To me it looks like: DCLXVI was FOS'ed by two of the players that recently died and then was killed.
Will go back through the rest of the people who were killed the night before and who they FOS'ed before they died... but might want to take a look at the people here (and yes I included everyone who didn't die, including my self) Good, this is just the stuff the town needs. Unfortunately the town forgot about it. So let see... every other time I FoS anyone in this thread, you say that there is no analysis done, and that more needs to be done. Then when my FoS is pointed at you, you go “oh look good post, but it was ignored”. Dude be consistent, more analysis needed to be done, and I did it later. This post is simply there to pull suspicion of you “He did a good analysis of me, why would I say that if I was mafia?” For me, all it does is add suspicion. Why tear me apart for my other FoS’s but not for FoS’ing you? On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 11:52 Insanious wrote: deconduo BrownBear Eiii dinmsab DCLXVI Ghrur Node KtheZ tube chaoser Oceanic
These people are now completely lurking, no posts, just voting... meaning they are either mafia or just town that are helping the mafia... as there are 11 i'm going to say that most of them are just town that are helping the mafia win...
People that were active then stopped: Eiii Node tube
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Incatives yay. Notice one that is missing? (hint, his name starts with an I and ends with an s) Why can lurkers get away with accusing others of inactivity? Well since I have more posts in this thread than almost any of the rest of the living people, I don’t think I’m inactive. I also removed anyone who posted in the last 24 hours before this post. This is more a call to activity than anything else, if people don’t start posting we will all die. At least someone pointed it out... why didn’t you? On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 11:55 Insanious wrote: Now I'm going to FoS:
Ghrur: - Only votes - Posted to start the thread - I believe posted to defend himself once, then disappeared again
Eiii: - Suspicious posting at start of thread - Once people started to notice him, he just disappeared into the shadows and stopped posting
Will actually go through there posts once I have time, just doing laundry + studying but ya... maybe I can get in some nice analysis before bed. Lets just throw some fingers around, I’ll come back and explain later. You mean what you did all post? Why are you calling me out for the things you have done all thread long? You called out 5 – 6 people, said you would do analysis, then never did... at least this is the first time I said “I’ll do analysis later” oh maybe its because I’m busy with my exams like I said I was... At least I started doing the analysis... will do Eiii later, but I need to leave for a bit, and then my last exam is tonight... so yes my activity will pick back up but thats because life got in the way, like i said it did... like my blog posts have said it did. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 13:37 Insanious wrote:On December 16 2010 13:33 LSB wrote:On December 16 2010 12:36 d3_crescentia wrote: I took the fourth hit. 3 KP + 1 SK = 4 Amber[Light]=1 Brownbear=1 Pandain=2 d3_crescentia=1 1+1+2+1=5 Explain Pandain only needed 1 hit to die... he lost his other life to the electrode from tree.hugger during night 2... This means that Pandain only needed 1 hit to die, leaving one more hit open for d3 (if he's telling the truth) Lol screw analysis I can answer questions to seem active Again, answering questions > leaving the questions unanswered. Also, if you look at the times when I posted, they were all around the same time. During my exam time I get a little bit of free time to post, but then most of my time is spent studying (like i did 14 hours of studying yesterday as of why there was not a lot of posts from me). Although, why you are calling me out for answering questions, when you don’t answer questions, do analysis, or even post regularly I don’t know... So yes, I am active, or at least I am super active compared to you. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: And that’s it. It seemed much longer but about half the hits for “insanious” when I searched the thread were people quoting him and asking for real content, putting him on an inactive list, or asking for more contributions from him. My opinion on him changed very much over the course of this analysis. At fist he was the perfect semi lurker scum. Long fluffy posts, answering questions, appearing active. He then goes on to make several posts which I consider to be good, of course because he had the same views on subjects that I did and he backed it up with strong logic. After that he drops off in activity, only posting to FOS people without reason or call for more activity from others. If I were to take a guess I would put him more likely to be scum/M2. His lack of activity hurts the town, and what he does post is even worse. He did have that one good spurt of posting, which I think must be to throw people off. However, many other people disagreed with his posts there so maybe I’m just wrong and he posted badly the whole game. Please read and comment on what you think about him. Especially you Insanious.
1) Most of the hits when you search me come up with people quoting my analysis actually. I have been FoS’d 3 times so far in this thread, and all of the times it’s been dropped because guess what... people have no found anything scummy about me. The only times people post “need you to post more relevant info” was at the very start when I was answering questions of people that have never played before. I loled at the "people quoting my analysis". People have been ignoring you because you post fluff to seem active but don't take stances on anything. You don't actually provide anything and the people quoting you are calling you out on it.2) I am more active than 90% of the time, there are only 2 – 3 posters more active than I am, and you are not one of them. You disappear for 36 hour long stretches, at least I only disappeared because well... I have exams, no explanation from you. WTF? Are we reading the same thread? if you count asking dumb questions and posting meaningless posts you are more active than say 65% of the thread, just above average. based on content, you are amongst the lurkers. I'm sorry I don't feel the need to whine about some excuses for inactivity.
3) All of my posts contribute to the thread, unlike most others. I either answer questions, offer analysis, or have tried to get the thread back on track. This is more than most people have done, and A LOT more than you have done. If you even look at your posts throughout the thread, there is absolutely no substance there at all in any way shape or form. Yet you call me out for my posts... No your posts are not helpful, stop lying. You answer a few questions which doesn't count as content in my book, and post one well thought out post. People please reread his posts (all in my analysis) and tell us if you think he is even remotely helpful. ------------------------------------------------------ DCLXVI calls me out for single posts that match what he has been doing all game, and then calls me scum for it. He goes “look at this post, it answers questions of noobs, he must be scum!” where he doesn’t even try to help people. He goes “Look at this great analysis that I followed! It must be a ploy by the mafia to look like a good townie and then be a scum!” If I am posting good analysis (half of the posts DCLXVI quoted he said “good, nothing I can argue here, lets ignore it” that to me shows that most of my posts are better than average... better than anything DCLXVI has posted at all.) He goes “Insanious is scum, he asked a question!” when later in the thread he asked a question as well... and hey, at least I didn’t ask my questions in PM, because the questions I got answered people needed the answers too and thanked me for asking them... scum... ya right. He goes “Insanious FoS’s people and then disappears!” Yup, did that my last post, but not at all the rest of the time in the thread. I posted analysis with every single one of my votes, Tube and Kenpachi... and yes I realize I just bandwaggoned Zeks but so did everyone else. At least its more then DCLXVI’s “Hey guys FoS on _______ will do analysis later” 5 – 6 times... To me, DCLXVI didn’t like it that I pointed out that people who FoS’d him died, and that we should lynch me for it. I wouldn’t be surprised if after my analysis of DCLXVI the mafia killed me, because they are protecting someone... Just what I read in this analysis, if you guys need me to answer why I posted something that I did, I will gladly do it. I am town, and I have been fighting for the town... I am one of the last active posters left in the town, lets not lynch someone who’s doing good, rather than someone disruptive. You seem to be reading my posts with the mindset "he is scum, how I pass this action off as scummy". I did you analysis with the mindset "what could be the reasons behind this post". Notice how every single comment by me was about your posting behavior, while your comments were all about "well i'm scummy but DCLXVI is worse". Since when is that a valid defense? I meant my analysis on you to be revealing what alignment you are, whereas yours was to pin me as scum because I posted content on you. I pointed out the scummy and pro town posts you made, but somehow you took everything I said as an attack against you. Paranoid much? I was willing to accept you as a townie, but you seem to either fail at reading my posts or you purposely want to paint me as scum. Was I pressuring you too much? Calling you from your lair of inactivity causes this reaction? No true townie would act that way.+ Show Spoiler +ps if you want me to answer any of your specific questions about my/your analysis please post them separately. No one is going to bother reading that many nested quotes, so if there is anything important let me know. Also I got the "post is too long" warning so I had to cut it up
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