EPTOn November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am following Qatol's ban list.
I am following Qatol's ban list.
I'm sitting out of one right now - would it count?
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orgolove
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I'm sitting out of one right now - would it count? | ||
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orgolove
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I think the spirit means that that person will get a different role if killed or lynched. I don't know what the child specifies. | ||
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orgolove
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orgolove
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##Vote Fishball | ||
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orgolove
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I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote. There are 2 possibilities: 1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely) 2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role. So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default: ##Vote: Coagulation But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect. *Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. | ||
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orgolove
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orgo votes fishball annul votes fishball Coag votes fishball Fish votes RoL ghrur votes RoL SR votes coag jcarl votes coag RoL votes aidnai Not voted: barundar Aidnai deconduo pandain kingjames01 Node SouthRawrea Glasse/Aeres My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball. Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red. | ||
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orgolove
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On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote: I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"? Because he's a spammer and pretty unlikely to be helpful to town given his past predispositions, whether he's a blue or a red. -_- | ||
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orgolove
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Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball. | ||
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orgolove
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On December 01 2010 05:44 kingjames01 wrote: I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove Er. Do you guys really think I'm making up the vote nullifier? If I was making it up, why would I copy a function that's almost a direct copy of Insane Mafia? Come now... There's a reason the first day is unlimited duration. It's to give time for these kinds of roles to be used effectively. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote: maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role Again, really? Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM? The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role. | ||
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orgolove
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On December 01 2010 11:42 kingjames01 wrote: Also, note that we've gained two more descriptions that seem to be exclusive from the previous list.
Neither of these roles seem to indicate a Vote Blocker. Does this make you a "big fat lynch target" now? Again. Why the >hell< would I lie about something that could be so easily disproven? As you've noticed right now, DrH has been consistently providing role hints throughout the day. A red wouldn't pull such an attention onto himself by claiming something that could easily be disregarded before even the first day ended. If you don't notice a vote nullifier in the list, it just means DrH has hidden the clue well enough to confuse you. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc. | ||
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orgolove
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orgolove
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##Vote: Fishball | ||
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orgolove
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Anyway: 1) my first vote against fishball was nullified 2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. | ||
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orgolove
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On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote: Lets get down to business [##]Vote Fishball On November 30 2010 07:50 Fishball wrote: Why would you vote for me? Wait, why would you not vote for me? [##]Vote Fishball On November 30 2010 07:52 Fishball wrote: Haha, nevermind  Just checked I can't vote for myself. So, [##]Vote RebirthOfLeGenD Look at his responses to Coagulation's first accusation. A townie would probably be incensed that he just "randomly" voted for you and it would've been understandable if he got a bit defensive. But no - despite being voted against for no reason, and as the first vote of the day, he just laughed it off and even made a gesture of voting for himself. Really smells like a red in my view. Also, if Fishball turns red, then we can be pretty sure that the vote nullifier is definitely a red role. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On December 03 2010 17:52 orgolove wrote: I really haven't been too active this game at all. Unless what I said hit the mark, the reds really didn't have any other reason to hit me. Look at his responses to Coagulation's first accusation. A townie would probably be incensed that he just "randomly" voted for you and it would've been understandable if he got a bit defensive. But no - despite being voted against for no reason, and as the first vote of the day, he just laughed it off and even made a gesture of voting for himself. Really smells like a red in my view. Also, if Fishball turns red, then we can be pretty sure that the vote nullifier is definitely a red role. Then his first post: On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote: No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. ... I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. Uh huh. A "blue" who's refusing to help the town and doesn't care if you get lynched. You call yourself a townie, in a game where there's more mafia than usual? (in terms of % of total players) Oh, and then he gives us this: On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote: Right, you suddenly become so defensive, immediately after you claim that you don't care if you're lynched or not?If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game. I wish life was that simple. And just how clueless can you be, that you missed the day post a.k.a. the most important post of the game? On December 04 2010 00:24 Fishball wrote: All this despite almost half the posts after my post he quoted talking about me being a veteran. Where, I'm blind and busy and I must have missed it again. Please quote for me. I'm just saying that if he is not Mafia, based on what he said to pinpoint me as Mafia, his logic is just too easy - the type of player that can easily be manipulated. Then he goes wild with accusations, first accusing jcarlsoniv, then Barundar, then trying to put up some excuse to get out of the thread and avoid the pressure now that he's sown some seeds of confusion: On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote: 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. On December 04 2010 00:20 Fishball wrote: Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies. So Barundar checks Coagulation and he gets a green result. (Alignment) Coagulation checks someone else, and I get the other result. (Role) If there are no more DT's in the game, and DH meant what he said, one of them is lying, or at the very least, the results they provided is false. This is an interesting situation, since Barundar checked our other DT. If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one. If Barundar is insane/not telling the truth, Coagulation would either be Mafia, and has the ability to plant false messages like mentioned in my previous post, or Barunder is Mafia and trying to frame Coagulation. Then there is the possibility that we misinterpreted DH's hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace entirely and both DT's are legit, but hey... who knows. Now a lot of this doesn't really add up, and there is more I want to talk about, but I have to start getting some work done here so I'll leave you guys with the information above. It is very important that if there is a 3rd DT, he should speak up now. On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote: Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. And yet he's still here, trying to seem as townie as possible. Here's a hint: On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:There is no misinformation in mod posts or role PM's. There IS no 3rd DT, and it's highly likely that both of these guys are lying compared to the possibility that Fishball is lying. On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote: He is so openly hostile to the town, and he claims that he has a role that activates upon death. The first KP of mafia was wasted, basically letting us free with one lynch. Why not have it be a guy whose death can potentially benefit us, if he's lying?No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. This is ridiculous. It's pretty fucking clear we're dealing with either a mafia or a disillusioned townie who doesn't really feel like participating in the game. He never responds to my second post, instead focusing on my first post immediately after being hit and selectively ignoring anything that pressures him. He tries to deflect accusations to discussion about fake roleclaims, and always leaves a hole to run away with his posts of "oh, I'm busy, so I'll let you guys talk." If you really are a guy with a spirit inside, then we're gonna benefit even more from your lynch. From what the town's gotten from you, you're more beneficial to us lynched than alive. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite [/QUOTE] On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote: Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. | ||
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orgolove
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orgolove
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On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote: three options: 1. he is mafia. good lynch 2. he is spirit. good lynch. 3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3? ##vote fishball If fishball turns out mafia in the end... | ||
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