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I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch.
So vote for me 
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On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win!
If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor?  Vote for me instead.
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On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game??
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won.
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On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have?
Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything.
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On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing
Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though
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On December 13 2010 01:41 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 23:26 CubEdIn wrote:On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor? Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Just woke up, I was skimming through the thread and was just thinking of this. Here's how it went: 1. He announced candidacy. I voted for him in the first 5-10mins, because I find the votes for Meapak suspicious. 2. Plenty of time later, a few more people vote for him. "out of the blue" so to say. 3. Meapak posts that he'll probably kill deconduo, because of his suspicious voters 4. ilovejonn switches his vote to himself Now, please explain: a) How are there "many votes out of the blue"? I explained mine, and then there were 2 more votes. He never got to be the first place or anything b) Why would ilovejonn switch his post after Meapak threatened to lynch deconduo due to people voting for him out of the blue? I'm sorry but this looks like a very harsh slip-up from a newbie red. If deconduo dies and he flips red, then ilovejonn should die instantly. Even if deconduo isn't red, it's still a very weird and scummish move in my eyes. I must admit that I'm really scared of the alternative winning conditions. I get the reasoning behind meapak's idea, and I know we're short on alternatives, but I don't think there are enough clues to actually take down deconduo because of it. Please think a bit better before you kill him. I agree with you CubedIn very good analysis. From what you had said I am persuaded to think that deconduo may be a red. Using our first lynch on him would be a good start. If he turns out red which CubedIn stated we should lynch ilovejohn. This looks like the most reasonable suggestion we have gotten today. Not from "VIBES" but from reasonable logic.
Excuse me what are the reasons behind having me lynched again? Because 3 people voted for me? Cube gave good solid reasons, and the other 2 people are newbs that are probably sheeping or randomly voting. Meapaks bandwagon is MUCH more suspicious.
Your logic is all over the place. 'Decon might be red cos ilovejohn voted for him and ilovejohn is scummy. So lynch decon'. WTF, in that situation you suggest lynching ilovejohn.
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In that situation you *should* suggest lynching ilovejohn, not me.
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On December 13 2010 09:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Ok people here are my possible targets: DeconduoI've already explained why I think he should be lynched. AidnaiHe's the person who I've been keeping an eye on and LSB did a very good analyis of him + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2010 09:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
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As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you. Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything. First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game. Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressedAidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches. Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue. Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor. There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?” Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor? Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active. ##Lynch: Aidnai My final target would be PandainPlease let me know who it should be so I can let annul know.
You say I got a lot of votes out of nowhere. I got 2 votes out of nowhere, you got 7+. By your logic, you should lynch yourself.
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On December 13 2010 09:27 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 09:21 ilovejonn wrote:
Btw, I read the rules over again and it says that you CANNOT vote for yourself. So what happens to the people (such as Pandain) that voted for themselves at the end and did not change their vote? I believe that an exception is made for mayoral elections Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 09:17 deconduo wrote:On December 13 2010 09:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Ok people here are my possible targets: DeconduoI've already explained why I think he should be lynched. AidnaiHe's the person who I've been keeping an eye on and LSB did a very good analyis of him + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2010 09:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
...
As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you. Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything. First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game. Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressedAidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches. Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue. Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor. There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?” Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor? Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active. ##Lynch: Aidnai My final target would be PandainPlease let me know who it should be so I can let annul know. You say I got a lot of votes out of nowhere. I got 2 votes out of nowhere, you got 7+. By your logic, you should lynch yourself. Deconduo can confirm this theory, but I believe that he pmed people. I know he PMed me
I was PMing you and Cube. Though I started talking with Cube after he voted for me, not before.
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Already said my choice in PM, here it is in public:
Vote Aidnai
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Pretty obvious that LSB is snape.
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Big 'I Told You So' moment coming up.
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On December 15 2010 06:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm slightly disturbed no counter bandwagon appeared :/
Its so obvious he's legit, town just sheeped mafia.
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Hmm, well I was right and wrong I suppose. I shouldn't have trusted him as much as I did.
I have a huge amount of PMs I can post though, which should probably prove I'm town.
+ Show Spoiler +First set: + Show Spoiler +From: LSB [ 1709 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Harry Potter Maf Date: 12/12/10 08:56 No Idea. Rol's been messing around with the thread x.x ----------------------------------------- Original Message From deconduo: Whats with ROL promising to lynch you? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: Hmm... my campaign is probably dead right now. I just really wanted to draw a cool vote sign after I saw all the campaign signs in TL Mafia V. About Beneather, he was a part of SIFZ so that's probably why he respects me. And also as the mod of insane I helped him out and gave him suggestions. What I'm concerned about is why no one even bothered so support/discuss it with me :S. Everyone started calling me scum. This possible could be an organized mafia attack. That's why I'm most suspicious of RoL right now, as he seems to be like the follow up. The safest vote will probably be Mepak, since it will be a lynch As for Airbag, he's been messaging me. Obviously he's a smurf since he's started playing the PM game I'll attach the PMs here + Show Spoiler +
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it.
I'm getting a blue/red read from him since he doesn't want to draw attention. I'm going to trust Qatol in that Jackel isn't a smurf. Defiantly Why is a smurf, or at least played in some other forum Just something to keep in mind ----------------------------------------- Original Message From deconduo: You should totally vote for me cos I'm awesome On to more realistic things, I'll probably end up voting for you if my campaign is unsuccessful. Your play in yo village was pretty awesome. What are your opinions on Beneather? Something seems off about him. Smurfs: Airbag, Jackal Probably Why as well. Second Set: + Show Spoiler +
From: LSB [ 1709 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: HP Mafia
Date: 12/13/10 10:38
Yeah... I felt that something was up with that...
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Original Message From deconduo:
No idea, he's completely flown under my radar. I don't think I even realised he was playing.
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Original Message From LSB:
No worries.
What do you think of Kitaman27?
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Original Message From deconduo:
Okey, thanks for clearing that up
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Original Message From LSB:
I don't have an alternative victory condition with RoL.
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Original Message From deconduo:
I don't think you are mafia, but you've been behaving weirdly so I'm gonna be blunt. Do you have an alternative victory condition with RoL? The way the 2 of you have been playing, this seems to be the only explanation.
Third Set: + Show Spoiler +
From: LSB [ 1709 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: HP Mafia
Date: 12/14/10 10:31
I trust Meapak_Ziphh. And I can confirm his role and actions if you get him to tell you anything.
I believe I can trust anyone. I've come to deduce that my role is both important and bad for the mafia (unless I'm missing a death eater). I will offer myself to be lynched to the town if my role becomes better for the mafia.
And even if the mafia does find out who I am (they have a pretty good idea of who they are looking for), since I didn't die last night, if we lynch a mafia today I should be fine.
I know this sounds kind of vauge, but if you figure out my character, it might make more sense. If you want, I can attach some clues.
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Original Message From deconduo:
I was checked (and confirmed to be town)last night by a DT, so I have a small circle with him. If you think you can trust LD + zergling (and if I can convince them we're legit), that makes 6 people.
The DT is dumbledore.
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Original Message From LSB:
Although there is no way to confirm my role. Here are a few things I can show you.
1) I can hint at what my character is. I have already hinted in thread. You can discuss this with kenpachi
2) I can provide chat logs that show that Me and RoL were actually working together. You can probably confirm this with Meepak, but I don't really want this known much. Most of the fighting was just fishing attempts. This is how we confirmed Meepak.
I can confirm that RoL checked Orgolove. If Orgolove flips red, would that be enough to convince you that the current lynch is BS?
3) I don't expect this to occur. But maybe... maybe something in the Harry Potter role might hint to the existence of my role.
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Original Message From deconduo:
Hmm, anyway of confirming/proving it? I'm not asking you to do it as you have no idea if I'm scum or not, just interested if you can.
Might have a 6 person town circle if so.
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Original Message From LSB:
He guessed my role correctly
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Original Message From deconduo:
Why is kenpachi defending you so fervently?
Also PMs with RoL: + Show Spoiler +
From: RebirthOfLeGenD [ 2591 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: HP Mafia
Date: 12/14/10 08:36
oh man, so whats your power your using tonight? I read everyone has powers this game.
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Original Message From deconduo:
Yep, I'm confusing games -_-
Take gabe out of that list, that was a mistake.
My take on LSB is this: I don't think he is mafia, but I'm sure he has an alternative win condition. At first I thought it was with you, but maybe its someone else.
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Original Message From RebirthOfLeGenD:
If by gabe you mean gabriel you are confusing games o_O Malongo isn't in this game. Whats your take on LSB? Everyone keeps disagreeing with me for some reason. I should try to do an analysis on beneather as well.
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Original Message From deconduo:
Aww
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Original Message From RebirthOfLeGenD:
hmm you have too many of us, we are going to have to put you down tonight.
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Original Message From deconduo:
I'm interested of you, Gabe, Meapak, Beneather, LSB, Cube. Don't really have anyone pegged as mafia yet, thats just a list of people that have said or done things that I noticed.
My biggest FOS would be beneather though.
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Original Message From RebirthOfLeGenD:
coo coo, so who u think is mafia bro?
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Original Message From deconduo:
I'm talking with a few people in PM, but I'm not teamed with anyone rolewise.
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Original Message From RebirthOfLeGenD:
who are you working with?
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Original Message From deconduo:
I did, but LSB denied it.
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Original Message From RebirthOfLeGenD:
hmm? you think I am working with LSB?
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Original Message From deconduo:
I don't think you are mafia, but you've been behaving weirdly so I'm gonna be blunt. Do you have an alternative victory condition with LSB? The way the 2 of you have been playing, this seems to be the only explanation.
Thats all the PMs, nothing changed or removed.
As you can see, I didn't think LSB was mafia, but he was behaving weirdly. I was gullible to believe that he was a legit traitor, but ironically he actually was he just didn't know it yet. Wasn't my idea that RoL and LSB were working together, that was someone else's. I just decided to ask them about it.
If you actually still believe I am mafia, and I faked all those PMs, you think I'm a muuuuuch better player than I actually am. -_-
Side note:
The fact that he was talking with Airbag as well leads me to believe Airbag is town. (No reason for LSB to fake that conversation)
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My opinions:
Almost certainly town:
3. Airbag
4. Kenpachi
(PMs with LSB)
27. Mr.Zergling
22. LunarDestiny
(Luna's Circle)
Probably town:
25. Thegilaboy
11. CubEdIn
12. Meapak_Ziphh
20. orgolove
(General play, talking with them)
Dunno/lurking/not enough info:
5. pevergreen (who replaced ghrur)
6. Jackal58
13. Barundar
14. Node
15. chaoser
16. jcarlsoniv
17. kitaman27
19. oddo123
23. ghote
24. why
29. zeks
30. tube
31. GGQ
FoS:
28. Pandain
21. ~OpZ~
10. Amber[LighT]
9. Coagulation
7. ilovejonn
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On December 16 2010 10:27 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 09:27 deconduo wrote:
My opinions:
Almost certainly town:
3. Airbag
4. Kenpachi
(PMs with LSB)
27. Mr.Zergling
22. LunarDestiny
(Luna's Circle)
Probably town:
25. Thegilaboy
11. CubEdIn
12. Meapak_Ziphh
20. orgolove
(General play, talking with them)
Dunno/lurking/not enough info:
5. pevergreen (who replaced ghrur)
6. Jackal58
13. Barundar
14. Node
15. chaoser
16. jcarlsoniv
17. kitaman27
19. oddo123
23. ghote
24. why
29. zeks
30. tube
31. GGQ
FoS:
28. Pandain
21. ~OpZ~
10. Amber[LighT]
9. Coagulation
7. ilovejonn
My opinion Supposed PMs with a dead guy don't mean shit. I'm still believing deconduo is a Death Eater. I'm also believing his "almost certainly" town list are as well.
Are you honestly saying I faked those PMs?
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I'd recommend ghote to be investigated or lynched. He has one post in the thread and he voted for LSB as MoM.
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99% sure Doc H isn't mafia. If you read one of my previous posts, LSB gave me PMs with the 2 of them talking. There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game. Here they are again:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it.
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On December 18 2010 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:On December 18 2010 02:35 deconduo wrote:99% sure Doc H isn't mafia. If you read one of my previous posts, LSB gave me PMs with the 2 of them talking. There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game. Here they are again: + Show Spoiler +
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it.
Didn't the whole LBS situation seem a little fishy to you though? He practically role claimed scum for some weird 1:1 trade with oroglove. PM's can be fabricated. In the previous game, there was a decent amount of discussion on mafia and fake pms. Why fake role claim if you are clean? Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game." At what point in the game does it begin to be good for mafia to start faking PMs?
Can you explain any reason why LSB would fake PMs from someone to try and get me suspicious of them if they were his mafia team mate? It makes no sense whatsoever. So I believe Dr. H is legit.
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