EPTOn November 28 2010 12:13 annul wrote:
THIS GAME WILL BEGIN WHEN SENGOKU AND SALEM ARE DONE.
THIS GAME WILL BEGIN WHEN SENGOKU AND SALEM ARE DONE.
I'll be free of the ban by then. can I sign up?
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On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote: What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Oh wow, this already started. Anyway, no. Wtf? We can't let just one person have all the say on the ballots. Your "secret vote" just is a means for you to control the outcome. The only way we can get mafia to slip up is through open votes. | ||
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And "Veterancy" does not have any merit. There's plenty of people who haven't participated much in TL mafia, but had previous experience. You can't use that for voting for him. | ||
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On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. I would do what I feel is right at the time. IE: Kill LSB. On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2. I know LSB looks really fucking scummy, but what the hell is this? Lynching based on personal feelings? What the fucking hell? at least LSB promised to listen to people, and he can be held accountable later by forcing him to publish the voting list. But you? Did you really just claim that you will: 1. not listen to the town at all 2. lynch based on personal feelings You are the most scummy out of all right now. A vote is the only way this will work. As people said, the MoM doesn't matter -that- much. It's just an extra way reds can get an advantage if they are elected - other than that, if the mayor just waits for all the votes, then it'll be fine. Any candidate who said OUTRIGHT THAT HE WILL NOT LISTEN TO THE TOWN knows this and wants to take away the town's only possible advantage - that of open communication. Do -NOT- vote for this guy. And seriously consider him as a lynch target. | ||
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There's a much larger proportion of mafia and 10+ alternate win conditions this game. If we don't lynch the right target, it just lowers our chances hugely dramatically. I'm not going to let some most likely scum to be able to lynch off anyone then just claim that he voted based on a gut feeling. | ||
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On December 12 2010 07:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Listen man, imagine if we all lived in crazy democratic states. The whole process of killing people would become just a huge middle man thing. Go with the "safe" choice which most of the "town" approves of and maybe they won't kill you the next day. The problem is the mafia manipulates the public opinion so heavily that if you go with that lynch chances are it is a townie on day 1. When I say I will kill whoever I want its because an individual is less likely to make a bad decision then a large group. A small group makes the best decisions but honestly if you want me to take 31 opinions into account and do some retarded vote we are asking for failure. At least on Day 1! Seriously, Vote RoL! I won't fuck it up! + Show Spoiler [DISCLAIMER] + "I won't fuck it up!" is just a campaign slogan, RebirthOfLeGenD takes absolutely ZERO responsibility if he somehow does fuck it up and expects everyone to forget about it the next day tumbleweed distracts the town and pulls them in a complete other direction. Look. At. The. Numbers. There are way more of us than the reds. That is practically our -only- advantage. Why do you think the standard F9 was used for so long, with a majority lynch rule? This is the exact same shit that was used during the kingmaker game. here: As I repeated time and time again, the town is just crippling themselves by not going the route of voting on the lynch. I repeated myself so many times, showed reasons over and over and over and over again, but you are so obtuse. Why are you so focused on the "Kingmaker" mechanic? How many times do i have to tell you that if we follow the voting system, this game is just a rehash of the F9 setup? You know, the F9 setup that has been the standard mafia setup and was proven to be pretty balanced, despite all your arguments that the mafia could "influence" the arguments? The only way town has a chance understanding and exploiting the town's only advantage - THE NUMBERS. Why are the townies here, if any, still resistant to voting for the lynch? Jesus christ - it's so simple, and yet people are so blinded by the mayor gimmick that they refuse to see simple logic. I've fought all the way throughout the game to make you guys aware of this. But no... I'm highly suspicious of anyone at this point who keeps arguing for a secret mayor decision instead of a majority guided vote. This isn't a matter of anger or emotion - it's simple logic. If you are against something that is 100% in favor of giving more power to the town, then you are either a red, or a green who will only be a burden to the rest of the town. Do NOT vote for RebirthOfLegend. | ||
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On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2. Again, if you didn't get it: The masses are stupid Its actually not even a hunch, [b]I just want to kill LSB Are you really going to vote for someone who openly says he won't be held accountable for whoever he kills? | ||
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Going beyond the simple mayoral candidacy, I'm highly suspicious of RoL since he kept arguing for a secret mayor decision instead of a majority guided vote. This isn't a matter of anger or emotion - it's simple logic. If you are against something that is 100% in favor of giving more power to the town, then you are either a red, or a green who will only be a burden to the rest of the town. His arguments these past few pages smothered all other discussion and gave mafia more time to rush the vote now. Brilliant strategy if you are a red, which I think you are. The "secret vote" idea of LSB was pretty scummy. But at least that is a type of idea for which he could be held accountable. Given enough pressure, I'm sure we could've forced him to cough out the vote list. But here we have someone who not only ran for mayor, but ran based on a platform of completely ignoring the town's votes. You can't possibly be more scummy than that. If you read over the posts carefully, even you will be highly, highly suspicious of RebirthOfLegenD. By the way, there can't be a VI this game (Village Idiot). 1. VI is a terrible role to put in a game such as this without actually revealing its presence. 2. Node mentioned that each role is somehow related to the name of the character. Even me, with a cursory knowledge of HP, can see that there can't be anyone in that list who clearly fits the stereotype of a village idiot. | ||
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On December 12 2010 14:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: err EBWOP sorry I said I would fully be accountable for who I killed btw. Its a burden I would be willing to take on. Look at my above post with my LSB analysis. In this current system if we voted for LSB he would be able to sherk off blame/responsibility because the masses made the decision even though hes the one pulling the trigger. It is really stupid to pretend that it is still a majority lynch, that is like saying America is a true democracy even though someone else is making the final decision. I was willing to take the burden of the MoM kill in deciding who I was going to put down and on top of that I was willing to take responsibility for that outcome. I would be lying if I said that I think a majority decision is always the best way to do it. The mafia is rightfully scared of one good player getting that first kill off and it not belonging to a townie. Its hard to mount a really strong case against someone day 1 and its much easier for the mafia to manipulate a mislynch which is why they would prefer to do exactly what LSB is doing and deferring the mislynch back into the towns hands and allowing us to fuck it up on our own volition, or so we would be led to believe. What the hell. You're really going far off with the [B]On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The masses are stupid idea. The only way we can have a chance of winning is by understanding and exploiting the town's only advantage - THE NUMBERS. If what you really say is true, how is it that the normal mafia setups (most famously, F9), always have a majority lynch system, and start off the first day immediately doing a majority lynch? Irregardless of the red's ability to manipulate public opinion, the millions of successful mafia games using the regular setup clearly show that we aren't as "stupid" as you may think. Know your place. You can't speak for the rest of us. | ||
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On December 12 2010 15:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: your misguided, your wrong, and you don't know how to read and comprehend posts Sure. And you're a paragon of a mafia player as well. Anyway, Can I hear some reasons why people are voting for deconduo or Meapak? | ||
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On December 12 2010 09:32 LSB wrote: What's uncomfortable about the PMs? You never responded! I've attached it for your convenience. + Show Spoiler + I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself... ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: If you want, you can be the auditor. The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote. Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier. If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Airbag: but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority. Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Airbag: I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it. On December 12 2010 09:34 Airbag wrote: isn't it suspicious that you omitted this part sounds like u want me to tell you if i am a good role or not so mafia can kill me for it? PMs are supposed to be private. If you're going to post it 1. You better have a good reason, and 2. You better post the whole conversation without any omissions or changes. That's the only way town can maintain its trust in PMs for it to be not posted and not manipulated to fake a red roleclaim. How can anyone who claims to be pro-town to do such a thing? This isn't a photoshop or a writing competition. If you start making up PMs, we go into a no-man's land where the reds can just laugh in the background as towns kill themselves. How can you be any redder? The last game someone posted their full PM conversations and subtly altered them was in Haunted Mafia, by Bill Murray. We all know how that ended up. Vote: ##LSB Next. My other red candidate is RebirthOfLegenD. Throughout his mayoral candidacy, he kept pushing for a decision based on his gut feelings only. On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2. Again, if you didn't get it: The masses are stupid Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB He kept pushing for this and openly said he won't be held accountable for whoever he kills. i.e. if we chose him as our mayor and he suddenly said, just now, "Oh, I'll just kill XXX because I feel like it, ##lynch XXXX" and XXXX turns out to be blue. We can't say shit since we'd have already given him permission to kill whoever he wants. This goes against the very thing town stands for - the power of numbers of the reds. Thus, my primary lynch target is [b]##LSB. After that I suspect RebirthOfLegend. | ||
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Here's my list again. 1. LSB On December 12 2010 09:32 LSB wrote: What's uncomfortable about the PMs? You never responded! I've attached it for your convenience. + Show Spoiler + I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself... ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: If you want, you can be the auditor. The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote. Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier. If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Airbag: but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority. Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Airbag: I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it. On December 12 2010 09:34 Airbag wrote: isn't it suspicious that you omitted this part sounds like u want me to tell you if i am a good role or not so mafia can kill me for it? PMs are supposed to be private. If you're going to post it 1. You better have a good reason, and 2. You better post the whole conversation without any omissions or changes. That's the only way town can maintain its trust in PMs for it to be not posted and not manipulated to fake a red roleclaim. How can anyone who claims to be pro-town to do such a thing? This isn't a photoshop or a writing competition. If you start making up PMs, we go into a no-man's land where the reds can just laugh in the background as towns kill themselves. How can you be any redder? The last game someone posted their full PM conversations and subtly altered them was in Haunted Mafia, by Bill Murray. We all know how that ended up. 2. RebirthOfLegend Throughout his mayoral candidacy, he kept pushing for a decision based on his gut feelings only. On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2. Again, if you didn't get it: The masses are stupid Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB He kept pushing for this and openly said he won't be held accountable for whoever he kills. i.e. if we chose him as our mayor and he suddenly said, just now, "Oh, I'll just kill XXX because I feel like it, ##lynch XXXX" and XXXX turns out to be blue. We can't say shit since we'd have already given him permission to kill whoever he wants. This goes against the very thing town stands for - the power of numbers over the reds. Both players strongly give off many scum tells. | ||
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On December 13 2010 09:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I appreciate your vote however baring massive town resistance I will not be lynching LSB or RoL. They've both mellowed out and have started posting much better and being helpful. I in no way trust them but at this point I'd rather dt check them and then learn the results and go from there. Sigh - we have clear reds here. Lynching one or other will be a "safe" choice. Why are you willing to take a more risky route?.... Again, this is like what happened in Kingmaker... Ah w/e it'll be over in 2 hours. | ||
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1. Check them. and 2. Lynch them. | ||
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