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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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Keep an eye out for bullshit like "nothing 2 talk about day 1 so let's just lynch this handpicked group of inactives (who are probably all townies)" Discussion points: -How to unite town circle -How/when roleclaims should be done and handled -Possible medic/dt actions I was going to say the paranoid villager should claim but I didn't realize that it was reworked into the vet role, so PV should not claim under any circumstance. Usually the PV kills whoever visits him and needs to either claim to avoid dt/medic deaths (if he is bad) and if he is good should goad mafia into trying to hit him by claiming DT or something like that. DT's only claim if you find mafia and you think you might be able to catch another mafia or two from their lynch. If you can just make a great case that will lead to a lynch without roleclaiming, please do that. The mafia have an information advantage over us and we don't need to make that worse than it already is. Be wary of people who try to get you to roleclaim in PM's. If you are PMing with somebody you find suspicious, open up a third party with a player you trust so that if you die incriminating information doesn't go to waste. For instance: -mafia x pms townie y and gets him to roleclaim DT -mafia hits townie y -no one knows townie y claimed to mafia x but if townie y pms townie z and tells him "I claimed my role to player x and if i die he is likely mafia" or something like that then townie z can reveal that after y's death and mafia x will be lynched Medics: protect veterans or anyone dumb enough to PUBLICLY roleclaim a good blue role. if they claim it to you in PM, that isn't enough to prot them since that's information mafia doesn't necessarily have. being a good medic is about understanding mafia priorities which is: 1. best/veteran players 2. blue roles 3. confusion targets (a confusion target is a townie who is intentionally hit to misguide the town. i.e townie A bandwagons townie B and mafia hit townie A to make townie B look bad.) 4. random town members don't worry too much about WIFOM, stick with your convictions. just protect who you think is gonna get hit, it's pretty simple. be slightly wary of anyone who comes out super early and says "omg im role x i need medic protection really really bad", that's a shitty play and it might be to draw medics away. those are my 2 cents for now. i'm working all throughout black friday. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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more often than not you get a townie on it. it's not enough to start a lynch, make it part of your case, there has to be other incriminating behavior in it as well. if you could just robo-find mafia with scumtells from the mafiascum wiki this game would be too easy. particularly in a game with a lot of new players, it's a bit harder to define since bad/new townies might play a little scummily | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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90% of shit in mafia is WIFOM, it's compltely necessary to analyze posting behavior there is a point where an argument becomes so WIFOM that it's terrible though. also i know pv is vigilante that's what i said that i originally didn't actually read the role descriptions and just assumed pv was something else. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On November 26 2010 19:51 Scaramanga wrote: Whats WIFOM mean? http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me it's like when u try to say "oh mafia killed this guy because he caught a mafia, or maybe they killed him because he accused a townie and they want to mindfuck is, or maybe they thought we would know that and killed him anyway, or maybe they..." and it's just an infinite circle of maybe they thought this or that and in reality u can't know what they thought | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On November 27 2010 05:56 BrownBear wrote: And so far, nobody has really shown themselves to be either particularly pro or anti-town. For now, I'm voting myself for mayor as a placeholder (although I actually might try to run, depending on the other candidates). I'm starting to think it might be just a great idea to just start throwing votes-for-lynch on the nonspeakers, try and get them to talk. If we can't find anyone, this game is large enough for us to get away with lynching an inactive purely based on their inactivity, at least the first day. To that end, I'm voting that the mayor should lynch georgeclooney. Get to talkin' boy. but he's a celebrity D: | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On November 27 2010 06:40 kitaman27 wrote: He makes a good point. We should lynch DoctorHelvetica due to his non-celebrity status. if u look at my profile you can see i am actually thom yorke, a famous british musician we can decide if we're lynching an inactive later, because we don't know that no one will post scummily yet and that there will be no discussion. if we do lynch an inactive it should be a newer player and it should be RNG'd so that the mafia can't force us to pick a townie inactive v.s a mafia inactive i want to talk about how we best form a town circle and prevent godfather from infecting it too badly | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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I know one player who is almost certainly a confirmed medic I know one player who is either a blue role or a red role (not green) So the first player, I'm pretty sure people can trust. If I reveal his name he will be a prime suspect for mafia protection. If he is willing, my current proposition is to have him protect me like a bodyguard indefinitely and then I can coordinate the town network but there are problems with that: -you guys have to trust me, but I think I proved my leadership prowess in Insane Mafia and I promise to improve as town in this game (if youngminii doesn't shoot me) -mafia can double, even triple hits on me The other possibility is if a DT checks someone who is newer/less experienced (thus an unlikely elder candidate) and finds them to be a role that a godfather would not likely choose, they can tell that person that they checked them and found them safe and then start a network through that person without revealing their name in the thread. This would create a kinda weird assassin in the palace type situation where not everyone necessarily knows the name of the confirmed townie and only people who seem really pro-town get the information if mafia never get the information it might start to get obvious by the way they post in the thread if it is steered correctly i.e: someone in the pro-town circle starts fake bandwagon on confirmed town player -several mafia jump on it -town reveals the player in question was our confirmed town guy -reverse bandwagon onto mafia but again that depends on having a very small and limited circle which has not been penetrated by mafia. just some ideas floating around in my mind. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On November 27 2010 06:53 Aeres wrote: No, of course not. I just meant waiting a couple hours or so so there's a greater chance of more people being here. But what do I know? I'm merely the captain of a sunken ship... no more fake roleclaims in this game aeres! | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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if he claims DT or medic mafia will waste a hit on him. keep that in mind later in the game (don't fakeclaim day 1 lol it's 2 obvious try to make it seem real like u have some shit to say.) | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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so i'm still thinking about how to make this work. there is really no 100% foolproof safe way and in reality you want to get mafia in on the PM circle so that you can trap them easier the best thing is that only one person will know peoples roles and if I'm telling people about what others are saying I'll refer to them only as "the medic" "the DT" etc. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On November 27 2010 07:24 jcarlsoniv wrote: Doc, how can you be sure that the information you have thus far concerning the town circle is accurate? Have they claimed to you? How can you tell that one is almost certainly medic and the other is blue or red? i sent out some random pm's for kicks and a player just immediately told me he was the medic i wasn't expecting that but it kinda gives me something to work with i guess. i told him to shut up and not tell anyone else though tip for town players: don't randomly roleclaim to people who PM you unrelated nonsense | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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also if he is mafia, i have him in a trap. if he is a mafia medic i can make sure certain people don't get hit, thus almost being something of a medic role myself, because if he tells me "i'm protecting player x" and then player x dies along with 2 others then he's in deep shit it's a senseless play though. of all the mafia roles to claim, medic doesn't give them a real early game advantage. at least thats how i see it. afaic i have no reason to distrust this player but i won't be giving him information on other players roles or anything | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On November 27 2010 07:42 kitaman27 wrote: Am I the only one puzzled with the fact that a medic role claimed blindly to DrH without knowing his alignment? not as puzzled as me Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: i know why would you roleclaim to me so suddenly? i wasn't even going to ask, although I guess I can give you advice. Medic is a pretty easy role I think, just go after vets/anyone who roleclaims an important role like DT unless you're really suspicious. it's a role i always wish i would get but I never do. I think its playstyle suits me actually. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From SOMEBODY thats not even a role. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: cool i got dracula ----------------------------------------- Original Message From PLAYERDUDEGUY I got medic. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: whats up buttercup no harmful information here so feel free to analyse | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On November 27 2010 07:51 Aeres wrote: So, from what I can glean from this, odds are good the Doc isn't a Medic. As for the mystery Medic in question, the way he seems oblivious to the Doc's Dracula "role claim" indicates that he's new to the game, and is fairly naïve about the gravity of role claims. I'd wager this is genuine, but since I'm the armchair psychologist here, don't take my word as gospel or anything. the dracula roleclaim was a dumb haunted mafia joke | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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the nature of the roleclaim leads me to believe if it's true. i explained in pm to someone (i forgot who) why the medic claim, if fake, puts mafia in more harm then good anyway so for now it's a win/win situation for town with the medic thing. i trust him but not enough to reveal any crucial information to him. the fact that he roleclaimed to me allows me to put immense pressure on him and it is not a veteran player i trust to not fuck up. Don't roleclaim to me, I think the best way is for the DT to clear a path like Artanis is suggesting. Which, by the way, was my suggestion in the first place. | ||
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