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I buy fishball's story. I don't buy bum's.
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hi
Sorry for not having been on in a while, I've been away from a computer for a bit (did not know it was going to happen). I'll skim the thread before I say anymore.
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oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?
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On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.
No comment.
Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched.
Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway?
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Seriously Pandain? The lynch is the town's greatest weapon, you can't make scum immune to lynches without making the game horribly imbalanced.
In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now.
Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed.
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He didn't PM me, he seems to be using "why aren't you PMing others" as an argument.
If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle
I don't want him to claim in thread if it hurts(thus through pms) and I don't even want him to claim entirely
Sorry Pandain, you're not an idiot, your arguments are.
I know you didn't read the thread entirely, so I'll just tell you it's already known by know there are roles where pms are allowed. If you're invincible, town(at least me) is not going to be like "wtf". If your immune, well then actually we might let you die if it will help other roles live
So you're assuming that I can PM people and your argument is that I should be roleclaiming through PMs?
And please, tell me how letting me die is a good thing? Back up your arguments. In any case, your posts have been hugely scummy to me, but then again they always are. I've never been in a mafia game where you've given solid arguments as a townie.
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On November 01 2010 04:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +f a player is "gone for the night", would that player also be able to protect me if they were a bodyguard that same night? If Aeres hypothetically is the second bodyguard and my other bodyguard is dead: Aeres leaves for the night and the mafia hits me. Do I survive? This is a question too hypothetical to answer as it would require me to confirm or deny roles and give too much information away.
Translation: Aeres is scum and he's making up the role. By answering this question, I would be confirming the existence of the fake role and as such, I can't give a real answer.
Maybe.
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Yeah but that's just saying "IF there's a role like the one Aeres is claiming then it would be so"
On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 04:21 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them. Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain. I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious. I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
Why are you so sure there are 2 bodyguards? Wasn't your logic behind the 1 bodyguard theory based on the assumption that DCX is a bodyguard?
I want to ask you guys something too. Would it be a good idea to analyze the Murrayitis's mechanics and how it would affect the game in the long run? I think I find it's interesting but I'm not sure if other players agree or not.
I don't see why not.
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On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote:I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
Why would you say this if you only think there are 2 bodyguards because of dcx's 'claim'?
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Okay I don't care what's going on right now since it doesn't seem to be anything of great substance.
Why is no one pointing their finger at Aeres? Did you not read the night post? A bodyguard died (Annul). Now according to LSB/Artanis, there's only one bodyguard. Maybe he's lying but if he is, we're still operating under the assumption that DCL softclaimed bodyguard.
So that makes 3 in total. Aeres's claim never made sense to me anyway, and the scumtells that he dropped (oh hey I'm assuming there's two bodyguards because of DCL's softclaim.. But what if DCL isn't a bodyguard? Who's the other one?). It almost looked as if Aeres was trying to gain our trust, make us lose trust in DCL and weed out any other bodyguards that may have tried to claim.
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Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.
DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues.
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Sure that's important. The arguments being put forward (mainly by Pandain) are not important. They are useless, misguided and nothing will be brought up out of them. The only thing they might be able to do is convince some people to vote for DrH without any conclusive evidence.
Focus on Aeres. In case you don't know, LAL = Lynch All Liars.
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On November 01 2010 12:21 Pandain wrote:Alright, I think just a series of reasonable questions will help express my point. Actually, sometimes I can't express an argument in question form so :/ Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Doesn't really mean anything. If the insanity thing was such a big deal people could have switched bandwagons. The problem is the insanity thing applies to everyone and it isn't a point against me, it's just a part of this game that must be considered.
1.There were only two hours left
2. A major factor is that no one can even say if you actually used your role. The person who you claimed to have poked says he received no such thing. Now you defend yourself by saying you could've been roleblocked, or he could've been bussed. The first point is okay, but negated for reasons later expressed below. The second point is just illogical. It is more logical to assume you are mafia than that jcarl just happened to get bussed.
Everything adds up Pandain.
How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect? Well we could start with the intial concern from infinitestory that my poke transfers murrayitis to a person. Perhaps the poke doesn't confirm itself to the other player but does tell me if they have murrayitis. Perhaps my poke only has a certain chance of going through. There are many possibilities here Pandain, am I really supposed to believe you couldn't think of 1?
Point is it didn't even happen
Yeah, it is. That is the importance of my role as I understand it and as it is described in my role PM. What else do I have to go off of? Would you like me to tell you the importance of my role in an insane variation which I have no way of predicting or knowing?
Exactly! So why are you running if your role has a high chance of being unimportant. You claim its to soak up POTENTIAL roleblockers, but any townie could run and do just that.
You're attacking me for defending him. Let me call it a chainsaw defense, which is even worse. What theory doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that jcarls could have lied? You're not even considering that? In order to bring up the possibility that he might not be telling the truth I have to also accuse him of being mafia? Wow dude I never thought you would make such awful points.
Yes, it doesn't make sense for jcarl to lie. You yourself think he hasn't, and yet you critizice me for defending just that. I have considered it, but consider it highly more likely you are just scum.
My poke didn't go through to him and you all want to know why. So I'm telling you all the ways this could be possible and jcarls telling a lie is one of these things. It's a possibility among many that I have offered and it is the one I am pursuing the least and even calling the least likely. Just drop it. I never accused jcarls and your clown-ass arguments aren't coming anywhere close to making it look like I did.'
Why did you lie to us if you knew this could happen.
Why did you continue to claim you could be 100% confirmed
Why would wasting a potential roleblocker's use on one night outweigh having an unconfirmed mayor who's lied.
I didn't lie to get elected. I had no reason to distrust the mods and never truly considered the possibility that my role was insane when I was talking about 100% confirmation. I intentionally withheld information because I didn't want the mafia to consider the possiblity that I would be soaking up roleblocks they might have. This is a "lie" designed to benefit town.
You start with "I didn't lie to get elected" and end with "this is a lie designed to benefit town."
You claimed you would be 100% confirmed, now you claim you knew this would not happen.
I did ditch the 100% thing. I consistently recognized the possibility that I would be insane and offered checks against it to the town.
see the quote
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His 'lies' are more like promises that turned out to be untrue due to unforeseen circumstances.
Do you not see what's happening?
Someone: So DrH I think you might be lying because of x
DrH: Well I wasn't lying but y happened so it looks like I was lying about x but there might also be the possibility of z (ie. he's covering all bases)
Pandain: So you expect us to believe you about y AND z? How convenient that you came up with them (then he goes back to the original arguments that DrH already covered)
Just stop it.
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On November 01 2010 12:40 Nemesis wrote:
Damn this has turned into a shitfest.
Can we please stop with all these "what ifs" bullshit?
I guess important thing right now is who I am going to lynch, then I'm sleeping.
Aeres, kgo.
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On November 01 2010 12:36 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:31 youngminii wrote:
His 'lies' are more like promises that turned out to be untrue due to unforeseen circumstances.
Do you not see what's happening?
Someone: So DrH I think you might be lying because of x
DrH: Well I wasn't lying but y happened so it looks like I was lying about x but there might also be the possibility of z (ie. he's covering all bases)
Pandain: So you expect us to believe you about y AND z? How convenient that you came up with them (then he goes back to the original arguments that DrH already covered)
Just stop it. I'm sorry, but I refuse to simply ignore the alignment of our mayor. I am in no way convinced he is a townie, even if you are. Knowing our mayor has an extra vote still, even if he doesn't have night protection anymore, he is still a power player that deserves additional attention.
That's not the point. There's no way of finding out whether or not our Mayor is a blue or a red as of now. The arguments that Pandain is putting up are ridiculous and stretched way too far, if you honestly keep up with your persistent following of this idiocy (I'm talking about his arguments, not Pandain himself) then I'm going to have to label you as scum following a blind argument aimed at taking down a blue mayor.
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On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again.
Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have.
Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too.
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On November 01 2010 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:47 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again.
Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have. Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too. Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing. And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation.
Would be nice and all if Pandain didn't play like this all the time.
I'm still waiting for a counter argument for/from Aeres, until then my vote will stand.
@inifinitestory: So we elected DrH because we thought he'd be able to confirm. Now there may be a way for a red to take away that ability to confirm OR they may be the possibility that DrH is red. So you want to spam up the thread and kill him based on that? At most, I see this as a 50/50 chance, mathematically speaking. I see Aeres as a much better investment.
P.S. I'm ignoring you Pandain, I don't feel the need to respond to your argument and spam the thread even more.
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