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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 17 2010 13:43 GMT
#37
/in backup list

Falling in love with mafia O_o
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 28 2010 21:51 GMT
#91
Haha fun! One question: Does everyone have unique roles? Or are there duplicates? (I guess that's two questions =X)
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 28 2010 21:56 GMT
#94
It's insane mafia! Every role is important =P
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 28 2010 23:57 GMT
#124
Ladies(?) and Gentleman,

A leader I was born and raised, and a leader I will strive to be. I would like to announce my campaign for the Mayor of Insania! I have a good analytical mind, and, while I am very confident in my own opinions, I am also very aware and encouraged by the opinions of my peers. If you vote for me, I promise that there will be a swimming pool in every yard, a soda fountain on every corner, and a skate park on top of a sky scraper!

The threat of Murrayitis is very real indeed, my friends. We cannot let the plague of Liquidvania take us down. They let the vampires run rampant, and you see what happened to them?! If we act now, we can get a jump on the disease, protecting our kinsmen. So give me your support, fellow Insanians, and we will strike down the Mafia!

A vote for jcarlsoniv is a vote for the cure!

This ad has been paid for and approved by jcarlsoniv.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 00:15 GMT
#132
On October 29 2010 09:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
don't vote for jcarlsoniv he's inexperienced and mostly inactive, not good

orgolove is bad and shouldn't be mayor either

mayor should be an experienced player so we have an experienced player that is protected. medics should also protect our most experienced/best players (ace, bumatlarge, brownbear, infundibulum, etc.)

i'm voting for bumatlarge since he's the best one running currently



I was very active in the beginning of Haunted Mafia, but as the game drew on, midterm week came, and I still read and posted a bit, but not nearly as much. That, and I was getting frustrated with the discord of the town, so I stuck to PMs.

Just because I have not played many games does not mean I'm a bad player. I believe that, with the support of others, I can grow to be a very strong Mafia killer.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 00:16 GMT
#135
PMs:
PMs are not allowed this game unless you are PMing me or LSB, have explicit approval to PM or you are mafia, and then you may only PM your fellow mafia. I think PMs are too OP for town, so most things will happen in the thread this game. Always send in your PM actions to both LSB and myself or they might not be used.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 00:17 GMT
#136
How many other people didn't read the rules :3
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 03:35 GMT
#222
On October 29 2010 09:28 LunarDestiny wrote:
DoctorHelvetica voting for Bumatlarge did give out some information about their alignment.

If DoctorHelvetica is Town, then Bumatlarge is Town or Mafia
If DoctorHelvetica is Mafia, then Bumatlarge is Mafia
If Bumatlarge is Town, then DoctorHelvetica is Town
If Bumatlarge is Mafia, then DoctorHelvetica can be Town or Mafia


Lol, yes, those are the 4 possible outcomes

I feel that it is quite apparent that no one is actually seriously considering me as a mayor, which I see as fair, I just figured I should try.

At this point, I'm torn between Bumatlarge and annul. Bum is a very experienced player, and I feel like he would know what to do with the town. On the other hand, annul freaking owned the town (with some help from aztrorisk >.<) in Haunted, so I know that he is a good leader. I wish he would post some more and back up his campaign.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 04:47 GMT
#241
On October 29 2010 13:27 LunarDestiny wrote:
One way that dts can create circle is to post their finding in a encrypted message and post on this very thread and use their mod pm as the encryption code.

That way, only dts (or any blue role) can communication with each others (assuming that all dt (or any blue role) role pms are the same).


That would be very elaborate and awesome in every way, haha.

On October 29 2010 13:19 LunarDestiny wrote:
I think there should be at least 1 dt in the game. In a normal mafia game where there are significant less players and vanila townies exist, there is still a dt or two. This game has 39 players, so it is safe to assume that dt exists.


Well, even though everyone has a power, there could still be less significant blues and more significant blues. I shall dub them Super-Blues. The Sub-Blues could be less powerful, and just have a small power so that they feel important. That's better than just being a green IMO.

For example, I was looking through the wiki, and there are a couple roles like the DoubleVoter, which allows the player to have two votes, one in the voting thread, one in PM. Although it does say that this is usually paired with something like DoubleVoter Cop, and we have no clue what roles are being used.

The Super-Blues could be like a regular game's blues, that are much more significant and powerful than the greens. These will probably be things like DTs, medics, vigi, etc. I do expect these regular powers to be in the game, but I also expect Artanis to have gotten creative and have some really awesome powers.

The mafia, on the other hand, is really outnumbered in this game, as someone stated earlier. Not only that, but since everyone has powers, it makes it that much more difficult for them. For this reason, I'm sure that the mafia have some really powerful abilities. The poison is very scary, especially because it will contaminate everyone who is in contact. This puts the mayor at a very high poisoning priority, since poisoning him will also poison his bodyguards (again, assuming there will even be bodyguards).

Holy Check...this game is gonna be insane.

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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 04:51 GMT
#243
On October 29 2010 13:47 Fishball wrote:
You know what, I'll just put this out there before I head to bed, so everyone listen up.

I will be running for Mayor.

- I'm a part of a circle, which its members are allowed to PM each other.
- This circle consists of 6 players.
- Every member knows who is in this circle.
- All member does not know each others role
- All member does not know each others alignment, whether Town or Mafia.
- There is a possibility that there is/are Mafia in this circle.

If I'm elected as Mayor, I'll be having the other 5 members role claim to me and the first step of coordination will start from there. We will have starting point. You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now. Like mentioned in a previous post, I've never bothered to run for Mayor in any of my previous games, but this time, it's a little bit different. I'm running Mayor for the protection, to be able to give town a head start without worrying of getting killed the other day, at the same time utilizing our circle's power to a greater potential.

Then there will be the second question, what if I'm Mafia? Well, this can also apply to any other candidates that are currently running for Mayor. The fact that I'm openly sharing this piece of critical information above, already shows my motives are pro-town. Mafia would never announce that they are in a circle this early in the game, and would try to squeeze every piece of information they can get within. It is also very likely that there will be at least one Mafia within this circle, which means the entire Mafia team would know about the circle's existence. The only group left in the dark would be the rest of the Town, had I not come out and make this announcement.

Worst case scenario, I did not get elected, and Mafia kills me the next day; My role flips and everyone knows I wasn't lying. Even if the circle takes a huge hit, the Town as a whole would at least be aware of this other situation.

Once again, I am running for Mayor.
If I win, I will be role claiming right away.




This is very interesting.

You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now.


This makes me think that you are a detective of sorts. This role would be very critical to a circle because it will allow you to find out the rest of the circle's affiliation.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 05:14 GMT
#256
On October 29 2010 14:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.

If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.


Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.

The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it.
The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players).

the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized

i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious.


I do agree with you Dr.H, I don't see much harm in electing him. The only thing we will lose is one bad lynch if he chooses anti-town. And, if he seems anti-town, then we can just get rid of him. I wonder how many Super-Blues are in this town circle, and if any others will step forward.

Does the mayor have to be elected by a certain time? If so, when? Just curious, because obviously there has to be time for discussion on who he will choose.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 05:15 GMT
#257
On October 29 2010 14:13 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 14:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.

If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.


Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.

The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it.
The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players).

the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized

i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious.

Definitely agree. Fishball's promise that he will give a full roleclaim if and when he is elected makes me feel safer about this. If his roleclaim ends up being bull, we'll probably find out quickly. However, I think we need to make sure that "highly scrutinized" clause DrH talks about here is well kept. Mayor may be an elected position of power, but that is by no means synonymous with town, especially with regards to someone campaigning for the position.


I'm sure we will have no problems with keeping the mayor "highly scrutinized". He is the head honcho, and he can't just fall off the face of the earth. If he does, that would be very suspicious.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 05:21 GMT
#261
On October 29 2010 14:16 LunarDestiny wrote:
mayor needs to be elected after 48 hours after game starts. Then he type #kill "insert name" for the first day lynch.

At least this is how the past games worked.


Hmm...ok. So before a mayor is actually chosen, discussion of a Day1 kill should be discussed (eventually), and who the candidates will choose should be determined. Obviously, though, this kill choice shouldn't be given the same weight as future prospects in the game, which Fishball offers.

I will reserve my vote a bit longer until more devlops, I'm in no rush
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 05:24 GMT
#263
On October 29 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 14:20 bumatlarge wrote:
I was hoping someone had a role that could make a circle. Have to be careful with that, but it beats my idea. Kinda skeptical though, this circle might not even exist but thats for the future, eager to see how this progresses.

VERY SUSPICIOUS FISHBALL.

simple

someone other than fishball must post pm's from the circle to prove it exists. it could just be pm's about something insignificant.

mafia would be dumb to risk that because if one of them flipped red everyone else involved int he claim would be killed as well


This would work. And, if the two parties in the PMs don't match up to those who should be allowed to PM, then they broke the rules! (But what if they're both mafia??? O_O)

Someone else from the circle must step forward so we can actually confirm its existence.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 05:27 GMT
#265
Ziphh, there are no PMs in this game outside of the Mafia and this supposed pre-made circle. So no new town circles can be made in secrecy.

It's sleepy time for me though, see you guys in the morning!
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 12:04 GMT
#297
The way I'm sort of seeing this who situation is that this town circle is sort of like Congress. It's kinda of in the background, and they represent our votes. If we have good, experienced, town aligned players in this Congress, then we can have a lot of power in this game. If there is some mafia influence, how bad could it be for the town?

An experienced player won't necessarily be influenced easily, and members of Congress will have to submit to a background check (everyone knows that politicians' lives aren't secret from anyone). Additionally, if Fishball is the mayor, his behavior will be heavily watched, and any scummy activity can be checked. Since no one else has really brought anything to the table, I believe that voting Fishball could be a *relatively* safe option. I reserve my judgement to see if/when another good candidate steps forward.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 13:04 GMT
#301
Amber, thank you for addressing my point. I ask these questions so I can learn from the more experienced players.

I know lying is a big part of the game, it's a game of deception! Ifthere are detectives though, which I assume there are, and at least one is in the town circle, it could give some security.

One thing I am afraid of is that fishball knows the mayor can't be rolechecked, and he's asking to be mayor so that he can gain that protection and then blatantly cover up his true affiliation to screw over the town.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 16:04 GMT
#324
While I do hesitate to want a master manipulator as mayor, annul interests me. Annul, what can you bring to the table? Fishball has presented a very good platform, and, whether it is sneaky or not, it gives us something to consider.

Also, Coagulation brings up a good point. Pandain does have very good analyses, and even though some of them were wrong (no one will be right 100% of the time), they were very thorough. His posts aren't the sneakiest, and his whole "yum yum" thing is damn annoying, but the more I think about it, the more I am considering him as a decent mayor.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 17:01 GMT
#334
On October 30 2010 01:55 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 01:44 Fishball wrote:
On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote:
How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided.

why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum.



I'm at work. I answer what I can given the time that I have, but I have always come back and address the rest. This is not dodging. People who have played with me in previous games will know.

I think you meant 6 people, as I said there are only 6 people in this group. Now why would Mafia include 6 of their 9 buddies in this circle? Why 6? Not 3, not 4, but 6?
Assume what you say is true, all 6 of us are Mafia, how exactly would we "manipulate" town? What stops the other solo Mayor and his "non-circle" buddies to manipulate town? Different scenario, but the outcome can very well be the same.

Everyone can debate about the "truth", but no one can argue about that fact that I did offer information, and I want/need protection. With me being Mayor, doesn't make me a dictator. I still need the help of the town to provide valuable input.


I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.




That is a really good point. Keeping close watch on the mayor is vital.

@annul: I don't doubt that you are experienced at all. You more than proved your worth in Haunted Mafia. But what can you bring to the town? What is your pitch? Fishball is offering this premade circle, where is your present?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2010 17:46 GMT
#338
Well, Aeres, I'm also of the opinion that the Mayoral position is most important for its protection. Yeah, the extra votes are nice, but the fact that you can't die til your bodyguards die is most desirable.
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