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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 17 2010 08:21 GMT
#34
/eene
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 28 2010 23:03 GMT
#116
Well alrighty then. I guess if we have to have a mayor...

I will run for it, as I believe I am not mentally handicapped (arguable) and my role can help in a way, but I'll get to that if there is a likelihood of myself being the actual mayor. I will rule with an iron fist, that occasionally sprouts moss, so my hard hands do not feel so violent on my small kittens.

I am fantastic in these RNG situations, because I am extremely lucky. And I am most definetly not a mafia. And I can prove it! I think.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 28 2010 23:29 GMT
#117
On October 29 2010 07:47 Hyperbola wrote:
Citizens of Insania,

I would like to announce my candidacy for mayor. In light of recent events, most importantly the town's development of many new powers, a new system of government must emerge to quell the chaos that is this town. It has come to our attention that the local mafia has begun to exploit their new abilities and are now aiming for total control of this fine community. In order to successfully repel them, a properly organized inner circle of supertownies must be established. This new circle needs leadership and commitment, and I believe I am the man for the job.

Vote for Order! Vote Hyperbola!


On October 29 2010 07:49 CubEdIn wrote:
*heads to the voting thread to vote for Hyperbola*

*giggles*


See, this is bad, we can't have this. Look how much nonsense he spouted. No of that means anything. IT MEANS NOTHING. Then this dude just votes for him? Sorry charlie not having it. You need to be voting for me.

If I am not voed in, I will be
Then I will become a Pandain/BM (without the getting modkilled part) and just bug everyone.

But if I am! I will be :D
Everything will go under my scrutinizer eye and no one will get any biased treatment. Except for maybe Ace, who I owe some respect for that penalty mafia game. He's allowed to do his own thing and not vote for me.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 00:18 GMT
#137
On October 29 2010 09:14 annul wrote:
"This is an open setup. Roles will not be disclosed. There may or may not be a third party active in the game. The basic setup however will be 19 town-aligned players against 6 mafia players."


theres more than 25 players now

do you want to update this "basic setup" count?

ps where was it announced that there are to be no PMs in this game?


In the OP! Because Artanis says they are OP! Which is fair enough. I also have a plan of action that would require some protection regarding what I can do. If someone has a better plan and could use bodyguard protection, please step forward.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 00:45 GMT
#160
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roles

I suggest sifting through that and if you are not sure how to make use of yours, search about what you can do. No role is useless! Fairly safe to say we have doctor(s), vet(s), DT(s) and vigi(s). And I think it's roughly 15%(?) of players are mafia in a standard game. Mafia should have a bunch of complimentary roles considering every towny has some special ability.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 00:53 GMT
#168
On October 29 2010 09:50 NB wrote:
im confused... so bodyguard(s) is a role? T_T


(a mafia should read this post and assume that im not a bodyguard and they wont kill me :3)


It's like a secondary role, such as the person voted mayor will still have there same role regardless. Bodyguards are a secret, but I think the mayor can see who they are. I'm also throwing a guess that because there is no public pardoner, someone has a secret role pertaining to lynch avoiding or something. 39 people is alot of roles to dish out, so Im eager to see what we are dealing with in the future.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 00:58 GMT
#174
On October 29 2010 09:45 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 08:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On October 29 2010 07:47 Hyperbola wrote:
Citizens of Insania,

I would like to announce my candidacy for mayor. In light of recent events, most importantly the town's development of many new powers, a new system of government must emerge to quell the chaos that is this town. It has come to our attention that the local mafia has begun to exploit their new abilities and are now aiming for total control of this fine community. In order to successfully repel them, a properly organized inner circle of supertownies must be established. This new circle needs leadership and commitment, and I believe I am the man for the job.

Vote for Order! Vote Hyperbola!


On October 29 2010 07:49 CubEdIn wrote:
*heads to the voting thread to vote for Hyperbola*

*giggles*


See, this is bad, we can't have this. Look how much nonsense he spouted. No of that means anything. IT MEANS NOTHING. Then this dude just votes for him? Sorry charlie not having it. You need to be voting for me.

If I am not voed in, I will be
Then I will become a Pandain/BM (without the getting modkilled part) and just bug everyone.

But if I am! I will be :D
Everything will go under my scrutinizer eye and no one will get any biased treatment. Except for maybe Ace, who I owe some respect for that penalty mafia game. He's allowed to do his own thing and not vote for me.

An interesting strategy. You call me out on my magnificent speech and then proceed to say almost nothing yourself. Then you direct attention away from yourself and give the illusion of trying to help town by saying random things about the game. I don't think Cube was being serious when he posted that, but I however, was.
I am very adept at organization and strategic play. Although I may have not been in as many mafia games and tend to stay quiet, I can still manage a team and have done so in games I was mafia in. The same skills can apply to town if we are able to sort out who's who and create a legitimate town circle. Furthermore, I am very adept at sorting out what's what's legitimate and what's bullshit. Unless there are some specific roles which may overcome my keen eye, I can guarantee you that there will be NO leaks in the town circle if I am voted mayor.
As for the issue of whether I am mafia or not... you can be damn well sure that the first person to announce their candidacy for mayor as I did had better be really fucking good at defending themselves from clues if they're mafia. Other than that fact, I cannot guarantee anything. But that is what most elections are: a leap of faith.


I'm curious how you would go about forming a town circle. Considering the PM rules. And there are no clues in this game, unless you mean something else like slip-ups. It seems for someone claiming they have such a keen-eye, you don't read the OP very well. I don't think this makes you scummy, you just don't stand out as an experienced player if we put aside how smart you will be as mayor.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 01:01 GMT
#176
On October 29 2010 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 09:52 NB wrote:
@GM: also please clarify what you mean earlier about mafia has 2+1 KP? whats the meaning of +1

The Mafia only has 2 conventional KP. I can say no more.


I think this clarifies that mafia will have some wiggity whack roles to compensate some things. Which isn't a surprise. Be careful about what you think is certain in this game.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 01:10 GMT
#182
On October 29 2010 10:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 09:59 Pandain wrote:
On October 29 2010 09:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
btw how do we have a town circle in a game with no pms lol



thanks for the useless no info post

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On October 29 2010 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 29 2010 09:52 NB wrote:
@GM: also please clarify what you mean earlier about mafia has 2+1 KP? whats the meaning of +1

The Mafia only has 2 conventional KP. I can say no more.



my guess is that the mafia has a role that can infect someone with murrayitis. if this is the case that role is our #1 target as town and is the role that mafia would probably want to have as mayor, since mayor is generally immune to rolechecks and special roles can not usually be godfather


True. I hope they cant just go out right and infect the mayor like that I'm guessing people who can visit contract it as well. It said no one has it yet, so unless they can use it on day1... who knows?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 01:16 GMT
#189
On October 29 2010 10:10 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 09:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 29 2010 09:52 NB wrote:
also: can a bodyguard be a mayor? and what if it happen?

@GM: also please clarify what you mean earlier about mafia has 2+1 KP? whats the meaning of +1

in a game with bodyguards, bodyguards are selected after the election, not before

so mayor cannot be a bg

please explain more on this, im REALLY confused... i wana be mayor but i cant be a role without understanding it first >.<


Well you have to be elected. Mayor cannot die to mafia unless all of his bodyguards are dead (as far as we know), who are chosen at random after mayor is picked. He CAN be lynched and often is is there is a lot of suspicion on him. He gets additional voting power also. It's a strong position but it's far from game winning. A good townie mayor can be worked around by mafia, especially without PMs. A mafia mayor can be worked around by town also
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 01:18 GMT
#192
On October 29 2010 10:15 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 09:58 bumatlarge wrote:
On October 29 2010 09:45 Hyperbola wrote:
On October 29 2010 08:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On October 29 2010 07:47 Hyperbola wrote:
Citizens of Insania,

I would like to announce my candidacy for mayor. In light of recent events, most importantly the town's development of many new powers, a new system of government must emerge to quell the chaos that is this town. It has come to our attention that the local mafia has begun to exploit their new abilities and are now aiming for total control of this fine community. In order to successfully repel them, a properly organized inner circle of supertownies must be established. This new circle needs leadership and commitment, and I believe I am the man for the job.

Vote for Order! Vote Hyperbola!


On October 29 2010 07:49 CubEdIn wrote:
*heads to the voting thread to vote for Hyperbola*

*giggles*


See, this is bad, we can't have this. Look how much nonsense he spouted. No of that means anything. IT MEANS NOTHING. Then this dude just votes for him? Sorry charlie not having it. You need to be voting for me.

If I am not voed in, I will be
Then I will become a Pandain/BM (without the getting modkilled part) and just bug everyone.

But if I am! I will be :D
Everything will go under my scrutinizer eye and no one will get any biased treatment. Except for maybe Ace, who I owe some respect for that penalty mafia game. He's allowed to do his own thing and not vote for me.

An interesting strategy. You call me out on my magnificent speech and then proceed to say almost nothing yourself. Then you direct attention away from yourself and give the illusion of trying to help town by saying random things about the game. I don't think Cube was being serious when he posted that, but I however, was.
I am very adept at organization and strategic play. Although I may have not been in as many mafia games and tend to stay quiet, I can still manage a team and have done so in games I was mafia in. The same skills can apply to town if we are able to sort out who's who and create a legitimate town circle. Furthermore, I am very adept at sorting out what's what's legitimate and what's bullshit. Unless there are some specific roles which may overcome my keen eye, I can guarantee you that there will be NO leaks in the town circle if I am voted mayor.
As for the issue of whether I am mafia or not... you can be damn well sure that the first person to announce their candidacy for mayor as I did had better be really fucking good at defending themselves from clues if they're mafia. Other than that fact, I cannot guarantee anything. But that is what most elections are: a leap of faith.


I'm curious how you would go about forming a town circle. Considering the PM rules. And there are no clues in this game, unless you mean something else like slip-ups. It seems for someone claiming they have such a keen-eye, you don't read the OP very well. I don't think this makes you scummy, you just don't stand out as an experienced player if we put aside how smart you will be as mayor.

Psha. It appears it is you who did not read the first post very well. Did you forget about the existence of irc or other forums? Town circles are not limited to the teamliquid forum and can be carried out elsewhere.

>.<
I think it's assumed that there is no form of communication allowed regarding the game unless it's in this thread or you are told otherwise... Plus how would you go about telling people of your IRC and forums without PMing them...?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 02:01 GMT
#201
On October 29 2010 10:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sorry guys, I botched up the definition of Murrayitis completely. This is the 100% correct definition.

Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies.


Damn, with so many roles, this is gonna hurt. But it does hit mafia too Im sure. Sounds like Plague doctor is pro-town, so if they pick out solid townies as his visits, they can put it in our favor if this event happens. I'm assuming half also does not include dead people also, so this has a high chance of happening.

But assuming mafia is the source, it will be harder for it to infect them if they pick and choose the initial infected. Very interesting.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 02:19 GMT
#206
On October 29 2010 11:02 Misder wrote:
Now that I think about it, I'm more unsure about the mass roleclaiming thing I suggested. My main concern is that there isn't a concrete way to confirm anyone. And, as Fishball stated, nothing is preventing the mafia from making roles up that have passive abilities, or claim vigi.


Yeah, don't mass roleclaim, unless you're me, and you roleclaim and don't afraid of anything. I think I've claimed in the past 5 game I've played by day 2. But I'm insane so it's appropriate. We also have to lynch someone hopefully no one falls prey to OMGUS. I've already seen blatant WIFOM against Dr.H and myself I guess. Remember to avoid WineInFrontOfMe, think "Hm, am I eliminating any option with this thought process." Listing that we can both be mafia, both town, 1mafia/1 town does not really take out any options. That is WIFOM!

It's also been discussed to death in previous games that voting someone based on what role they have been in the past is ILLOGICAL and SILLY. If you can prove "He's acting like he did when he was mafia" well then that's all good in the hood. I want reasons.

And usually you can fin something you dont mean in the wiki, or right here!

Terms that people use
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 03:17 GMT
#219
On October 29 2010 12:14 Ace wrote:
Maybe I should run for Mayor?


LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU.

We also need to decide the first person to kill, which is often hard with little information. I say we kill a mayor candidate, as it might increase our chances, based on when and how they claimed to run. Of course they might not run at all, but with such ambiguity in what roles are present, you could really fake some nasty stuff. I wouldn't pass up that opportunity.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 03:25 GMT
#221
On October 29 2010 12:19 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 12:17 bumatlarge wrote:
On October 29 2010 12:14 Ace wrote:
Maybe I should run for Mayor?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php#

LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU.

We also need to decide the first person to kill, which is often hard with little information. I say we kill a mayor candidate, as it might increase our chances, based on when and how they claimed to run. Of course they might not run at all, but with such ambiguity in what roles are present, you could really fake some nasty stuff. I wouldn't pass up that opportunity.


Mayor determines first day kill.
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 09:58 bumatlarge wrote:
On October 29 2010 09:45 Hyperbola wrote:
On October 29 2010 08:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On October 29 2010 07:47 Hyperbola wrote:
Citizens of Insania,

I would like to announce my candidacy for mayor. In light of recent events, most importantly the town's development of many new powers, a new system of government must emerge to quell the chaos that is this town. It has come to our attention that the local mafia has begun to exploit their new abilities and are now aiming for total control of this fine community. In order to successfully repel them, a properly organized inner circle of supertownies must be established. This new circle needs leadership and commitment, and I believe I am the man for the job.

Vote for Order! Vote Hyperbola!


On October 29 2010 07:49 CubEdIn wrote:
*heads to the voting thread to vote for Hyperbola*

*giggles*


See, this is bad, we can't have this. Look how much nonsense he spouted. No of that means anything. IT MEANS NOTHING. Then this dude just votes for him? Sorry charlie not having it. You need to be voting for me.

If I am not voed in, I will be
Then I will become a Pandain/BM (without the getting modkilled part) and just bug everyone.

But if I am! I will be :D
Everything will go under my scrutinizer eye and no one will get any biased treatment. Except for maybe Ace, who I owe some respect for that penalty mafia game. He's allowed to do his own thing and not vote for me.

An interesting strategy. You call me out on my magnificent speech and then proceed to say almost nothing yourself. Then you direct attention away from yourself and give the illusion of trying to help town by saying random things about the game. I don't think Cube was being serious when he posted that, but I however, was.
I am very adept at organization and strategic play. Although I may have not been in as many mafia games and tend to stay quiet, I can still manage a team and have done so in games I was mafia in. The same skills can apply to town if we are able to sort out who's who and create a legitimate town circle. Furthermore, I am very adept at sorting out what's what's legitimate and what's bullshit. Unless there are some specific roles which may overcome my keen eye, I can guarantee you that there will be NO leaks in the town circle if I am voted mayor.
As for the issue of whether I am mafia or not... you can be damn well sure that the first person to announce their candidacy for mayor as I did had better be really fucking good at defending themselves from clues if they're mafia. Other than that fact, I cannot guarantee anything. But that is what most elections are: a leap of faith.


I'm curious how you would go about forming a town circle. Considering the PM rules. And there are no clues in this game, unless you mean something else like slip-ups. It seems for someone claiming they have such a keen-eye, you don't read the OP very well. I don't think this makes you scummy, you just don't stand out as an experienced player if we put aside how smart you will be as mayor.

oh the irony

+ Show Spoiler +
<3


Typical Pandain viewing mayor as a tyrannical role. Mayor needs to mesh townie togetha foreva. Gotta keep da love our house.

REVERSE IRONY. SUPER EFFECTIVE.
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</3+ Show Spoiler +
...+ Show Spoiler +
<3
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 04:08 GMT
#227
Roleclaiming is especially bad in this format. Normally I'd put it at meh bad, but when you dont know what kinda roles are around, it's 99% of the time bad.

Bandwagoning usually narrows it down. If someone wins by a landslide, mafia either doesnt care about mayor, or there is a mafia mayor. This puts enormous amounts of suspicion on them which is very bad for scum-mayors. Doesn't happen often or when mafia is very laid-back.

Anti-bandwagoning is generally pro-town, as there are certain to be townies who ran for the position. It leads to more options for everyone and alot more analysis for town to do.

If we are talking about lynching, bandwagoning usually means lynchee isn't scum, unless mafia are busing properly. You need to pay attention to who votes what and when. In this format, I'd imagine there is some role that can check some vote-list for mafia and such. Very strong role that is helped by split votes.

I think it's safe to say that I'm generally anti-bandwagon unless there is good reasons.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 04:19 GMT
#233
On October 29 2010 13:04 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 12:44 Coagulation wrote:
bumatlarge. as a campaigning candidate for mayor what is your political stance on bandwagoning
are you pro Bandwagon
or Anti bandwagon

plz explain


As for this, what the fadoodle? Bandwagoning is NEVER good, townies should make logical decisions. Either this was a horrible attempt at fishing or your just a clueless scum :/. Hopefully the latter.


I think that's a bit narrow-minded. Sometimes what you can draw from an outcome can be more enlightening as the outcome itself. Bandwagoning without reason is always bad, as if I just said "We will kill pandain today, that is all" But if I say "We should kill pandain because so-and-so said such-and-such meaning we can clarify this-and-that and our odds of winning are better." I don't think bandwagoning means without reason, I think it means everyone getting behind a vote for a reason, and sometimes that reason is perfectly justifiable, while most of the time it isn't.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 04:43 GMT
#239
On October 29 2010 13:27 LunarDestiny wrote:
One way that dts can create circle is to post their finding in a encrypted message and post on this very thread and use their mod pm as the encryption code.

That way, only dts (or any blue role) can communication with each others (assuming that all dt (or any blue role) role pms are the same).


While this would be neat, it's dangerous and might lead to some confusion. I think one game people tried to accuse each other based on the nature of the role PM it got. Turns out both mods sent out the PMs and they varied a bit, and they dropped the whole conversation. But if someone wants to hint at how their PM was made it could be clever way to figure out who is the same role as you, but without PMs, you can't really deduce more then that unless you invent your own secret codes in the middle of a mafia game. Masons or something along those lines could use it I suppose.

I just don't want you banking on this, and I don't want mafia being able to blue-snipe better because some fellow is talking in riddles.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 05:20 GMT
#260
I was hoping someone had a role that could make a circle. Have to be careful with that, but it beats my idea. Kinda skeptical though, this circle might not even exist but thats for the future, eager to see how this progresses.

VERY SUSPICIOUS FISHBALL.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 29 2010 05:45 GMT
#269
On October 29 2010 14:31 orgolove wrote:
At this point, I haven't seen Pandein or bumatlarge bring anything more to the table. Especially considering:

1. bumatlarge voted for himself within a minute after the game started -_- without providing anything he could bring to the table

2. Pandein, who kinda sorta lied in Haunted mafia:
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On October 17 2010 03:04 Pandain wrote:
On October 17 2010 03:03 Divinek wrote:
you have a dt who checked jodo and he came back vampire and you think heaven is mafia?

just trying to clear it up so i can pick it apart properly


Yes. In addition, it appears the previous sentence referred to the silver instrument specifically as a hammer. keep that in mind.
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On October 10 2010 07:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sign-up List:

4. jodogohoo (Grim Reaper)



I haven't seen any better candidate yet.


I've stated that I have a plan, but Fishball's does it much faster. And now that he's already stated it, I'll back out. I don't think it makes him any more town then me, and I don't think it puts me in any real danger, because mafia can glean from what I've stated that I'm not a strong-blue. Everyone has a role
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