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After finally sifting through the entire thread (we added 15 pages in 14 hours? lol) I think I've narrowed down my choices to these people:
Veldril
jodogohoo
Bill Murray
Masq
Masq is probably the most obvious choice there, so I don't think I have to explain my reasoning as I think everyone who has read the thread will understand.
jodogohoo is sort of a gut/impulse choice, as I feel like he's said just enough so that people won't see him as too much of a lurker, but not enough so that he will be heavily accused.
As for Veldril and Bill Murray, I'm mostly lumping them together because of their posting tendencies. This is my first game of Mafia (though I've played in real life), but from reading the few strategy guides/previous threads, it seems like one of the most important roles of scum is to stir up confusion and/or create arguments. It seems Veldril and Bill Murray have done a pretty good job of doing this and honestly, even if they are townies I wouldn't mind seeing them go since it would lead to fewer posts haha.
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I feel like the smart thing to do as scum would be to have one or two people from your team play a "disruptor" role and create confusion in the town/among the players while having the rest lay low and snipe everyone else. That's what led me to believe Veldril, Bill Murray, and now maybe a few others are scum.
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On October 12 2010 07:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 06:52 Pandain wrote:On October 12 2010 06:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2010 06:47 seRapH wrote:On October 12 2010 06:45 Pandain wrote:On October 12 2010 06:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2010 06:40 jodogohoo wrote:
stop derailing the thread and cluttering stuff up Haha, look at jodo, policing the clutter now =P Town does need the blues to do something though. We need some information tonight, and we need to protect our most vulnerable/valuable. I am more than willing to help coordinate blues if they want me to. No one do that. remember, dts and medics will be given bad advice if jcarlsoniv is mafia/vampires, and thus will be hindered That's why I in fact only asked vets to claim, and if they claimed to even more, its possible they won't even have a chance to be hit at all if we are both different scum teams. the yum yum says no i dont think jcarl is red, but i do agree with this post. I don't disagree with Pandain, I'm just trying to help out. It is important to find a lynch target, but equally, if not more important to make sure our blues are being used well. Sorry to step on your toes Pandain, you can handle that. And whos to say you will help them use it well? Who's to say you're not mafia, leading the Medic to protect their own scum. Or even an innocent townie who gives bad advice. If you really want to help blues, tell them what they should be doing. Like this: Dts: check suscipcious people, active people, vets, Medics: protect people who you think will get hit, especially pro town seeming ones, and me n.n Vets: try to soak up hits, pretend as other blues. Mad hatter: place carefully. If you really have a good read place it on them. + Show Spoiler +yum yum goes to play sc2 yum yum Pandain, it might be MORE helpful if you actually use the real Role names instead of general mafia ones. Especially for the newer players, like myself, to know what exactly you want done.
I'm going to assume:
Dts = Zombie Detective, Mad Scientist, and Boogeyman
Medics = The Ghost
Vets = Frankenstein's Monster
Mad hatter = Jack O' Lantern and Grim Reaper
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On October 12 2010 07:41 aztrorisk wrote:
I would like to announce that I am not accusing ShmotZ anymore unless masq turns out to be innocent. I just looked over ShmotZ and masq and I discovered that both of them can't kill one person. As a result, I am more confident that it is masq than ShmotZ and I would like to repeal everything I said about ShmotZ.
Right now, my two biggest suspicion is Masq and Vendril. Before I switch to Vendril, I would like to wait a while to see how the votes continue to tally and I will change it to Vendril if my votes will make a difference.
However, my current predicament is deciding a player opposing Masq and Vendril (depending on which team they are on) I decided that I do not want to keep my role as the jack-o-latern a secret because I do not want to be responsible for the death of an innocent zombie. I will plant one bomb at either Masq/vendril's house depending on who has the least votes. However, I need to decide on another bomb on one their opposing side's member (so I don't accidentally kill two vampires and make mafia overpowered or the other way around). Since I am the one of the most likely to be murdered by either the vampire or the mafia, I will give you guys a chance to persuade me who I should put my other bomb on. As a result, If I die, you can't blame me and I accidentally killed a zombie, It will not be entirely my fault because you all had the chance to persuade me.
I will not reveal my final conclusion on who I decide to target the second bomb to.
In addition, I will only accept to place the bomb on someone that I think wants masq/vendril out and can be attacked to one of the clues.
So if you are indeed the jack-o-lantern, we may have a problem. Unless you are protected by a ghost tonight, a witch can just curse you and both your pumpkins won't be placed...if I understand the rules correctly. Now I'm trying to decide whether you knew this, and thus a ghost would HAVE to protect you, ensuring you'd survive for another day or if you just didn't think about it to begin with. Hmmmmmm
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On October 12 2010 07:56 youngminii wrote:
He can only place one bomb each night. If I was scum, I'd just kill him straight away. Good work on the roleclaim, buddy.
The point still stands. If a ghost doesn't protect him tonight and a witch decides to curse him, then his power as a blue is completely wasted. So did he know this and is just trying to guarantee his survival by having a ghost save him? Or did he just overlook this completely.
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Sorry for the double post, but I just saw that I was corrected. So pretty much if aztrorisk is the jack-o-lantern and a witch curses him, his power is completely useless and we've lost a blue for nothing......great. I guess now the thing to think about is if he doesn't die, then we might be able to assume that he is either scum (as they wouldnt kill one of their own) or he was saved by a ghost.
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On October 12 2010 08:12 aztrorisk wrote:
As a result, best case scenario for the town:
ghost decides to save me
witch decides to curse me
vampire brute decides to kill me
mafia decides to kill me
this would mean:
witch curse goes to waste
vampire brute dies and vampire loses a kill point
mafia loses a kill point
I think this is the most effective way to use a ghost haunt.
That's all true, but it means we'd be wasting 1 (possibly 2 if you don't place it correctly) of the pumpkin bombs. And seeing as we know almost nothing right now, placing your bomb on a target is most likely not going to lead to a scum kill.
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After rereading everything, I would suggest that the ghost not choose to save aztorisk. I'm starting to believe that he may not be the jack-o-lantern, and instead might be scum trying to stir up confusion among the townies.
However, even if he is the jack-o-lantern, then there is a chance the vampire brute will choose to kill him, thinking that the ghost may be protecting him. Because the ghost is so valuable, I would suggest taking the risk of only losing 1 (or maybe 0) blues, and ensure that the ghost isn't taken out. If he is the jack-o-lantern, then unless a witch chooses to curse him he will be able to place one bomb anyway. I just don't think its worth the risk of either protecting scum, or having the ghost die to the vampire brute. What do you guys think?
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On October 12 2010 08:36 aztrorisk wrote:Show nested quote +I agree with what jaminz says. in the post above mine, astro ignores older posts about how the brute will kill EVERYONE.
I would say that the ghost probably shouldn't visit astro, since the risk is relatively high, and if he is lying, we would have gone through a lot of this stuff and ended up in a bad position. did you read my post about the worse scenarios for the everyone?!?!? man, just read it. Its not like I'm telling the ghost to save me.
Of course it's a guessing game, but I'm still not sure what I'm wrong about. Care to explain?
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On October 12 2010 08:47 aztrorisk wrote:Show nested quote +Of course it's a guessing game, but I'm still not sure what I'm wrong about. Care to explain? calling me a scum and I didn't want you to mold the ghost's decision to leave ambiguity.
But doesn't raising my suspicions that you might be scum promote ambiguity? You said yourself that you are the jack-o-lantern, which pushes the ghost to believe one thing. I'm just bringing up the chance that you might be lying, and that even if you aren't it may not be worth it to save you tonight. I think my logic was pretty straightforward. In doing so, I think I'm just evening out the scale/balance.
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I don't know if this helps anyone, but here is a post count in this thread for everyone in the game (through page 38 of the thread):
1. deconduo 10
2. d3_crescentia 4
3. coagulation 36
4. jodogohoo 38
5. orgolove 68
6. pandain 18
7. southrawrea 7
8. CKSide 0
9. KtheZ 7
10. oddo123 7
11. bumatlarge 3
12. quickstriker 14
13. Therick 0
14. kitaman27 5
15. zerroth 4
16. NB 30
17. TheMunkey 0
18. YummyBlaBla 9
19. Kuja900 0
20. Lexpar 0
21. ~OpZ~ 3
22. SiNiquity 1
23. jaminz 11 (12 if you include this one)
24. Lucktar 3
25. AirbladeOrange 0
26. Masq 4
27. kenpachi 0
28. youngminii 40
29. HeavOnEarth 0
30. kingjames01 0
31. Neos 0
32. goldfishs 0
33. Flicky 2
34. Zeraghul 0
35. chesshaha 0
36. KhrisKruel 0
37. spydR 9
38. Hyperbola 1
39. MetalFace 1
40. l0st_romantic 0
41. Aeres 7
42. ShmotZ 2
43. Hittegods 1
44. Veldril 15
45. grandmoose 0
46. LastArgument 1
47. jcarlsoniv 42
48. annul 18
49. Iankill 0
50. seRaPh 27
51. aztrorisk 51
52. Glasse 6
53. Bill Murray 56
54. LSB 19
55. Kpyolysis32 1
56. Nemesis 9
57. Yogy 0
58. Node 0
59. mptj 0
60. thegilaboy 20
61. CubEdIn 20
The top posters are:
orgolove 68
Bill Murray 56
aztrorisk 51
jcarlsoniv 42
youngminii 40
jodogohoo 38
coagulation 36
NB 30
I don't know if it does much, but maybe this can help us find lurkers/get to know the players who seem invested in the game.
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I forgot to do this, but here is a list of the players with zero posts as well:
CKSide 0
Therick 0
TheMunkey 0
Kuja900 0
Lexpar 0
AirbladeOrange 0
kenpachi 0
HeavOnEarth 0
kingjames01 0
Neos 0
goldfishs 0
Zeraghul 0
chesshaha 0
KhrisKruel 0
l0st_romantic 0
grandmoose 0
Iankill 0
Yogy 0
Node 0
mptj 0
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BTW the "detective" Bill Murray thinks he has is me. Is it true? O_o
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On October 13 2010 12:51 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 12:49 jaminz wrote:
BTW the "detective" Bill Murray thinks he has is me. Is it true? O_o i have no clue what you're trying to say, but i'm hoping you're not publicly roleclaiming on day 1.
Haha I'm not, don't worry. Just messing with Bill
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Hey Dr. H, can you replace d3_crescentia with ghrur in the list on the front page? Thanks
Note: These numbers may be slightly off due to the search function not always displaying exactly how many posts a person has per thread. I checked a few times f, and these were the numbers I found.
Players with Strikes through their names are dead. Notes in parentheses.
Post Count, as of page 79:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. deconduo 9
2. ghrur 1 (new player, replaced d3_crescentia)
3. coagulation 106
4. jodogohoo 46
5. orgolove 101
6. pandain 37
7. southrawrea 8
8. Divinek 11 (new player, replaced CKSide)
9. KtheZ 19
10. oddo123 12
11. bumatlarge 15
12. quickstriker 14
13. Therick 0 (but has voted twice)
14. michaelthe 0 new player, replaced kitaman27)
15. zerroth 0
16. NB 80
17. TheMunkey 0 (but has voted once)
18. YummyBlaBla 19
19. BrownBear 3 (new player, replaced kuja900)
20. Lexpar 21
21. ~OpZ~ 4
22. SiNiquity 7
23. jaminz 16 (17 if you include this one)
24. Lucktar 5
25. AirbladeOrange 4 (didn't have forum access until late)
26. Masq 5 (lynched Day1)
27. kenpachi 1
28. youngminii 57
29. HeavOnEarth 1
30. kingjames01 8
31. Neos 0 (but has voted twice)
32. ZaplinG 0 (new player, replaced goldfishs)
33. Flicky 3
34. Artanis[Xp] 1 (new player, replaced Zeraghul)
35. chesshaha 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
36. KhrisKruel 12 (didn't have forum access until late)
37. spydR 18
38. Hyperbola 3
39. MetalFace 6
40. l0st_romantic 2
41. Aeres 14
42. ShmotZ 24
43. Hittegods 1
44. Veldril 25
45. grandmoose 2
46. LastArgument 6
47. jcarlsoniv 62
48. annul 37
49. Iankill 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
50. seRaPh 65
51. aztrorisk 98
52. Glasse 42
53. glurio 1 (new player, replaced Bill Murray)
54. LSB 31
55. Kpyolysis32 43
56. Nemesis 15
57. Yogy 1
58. Node 5 (didn't have forum access until late)
59. RebirthOfLeGenD 2 (new player, replaced mptj)
60. thegilaboy 32
61. CubEdIn 36
In order from most posts to least:
+ Show Spoiler +
3. coagulation 106
5. orgolove 101
51. aztrorisk 98
16. NB 80
50. seRaPh 65
47. jcarlsoniv 62
28. youngminii 57
4. jodogohoo 46
55. Kpyolysis32 43
52. Glasse 42
48. annul 37
6. pandain 37
61. CubEdIn 36
60. thegilaboy 32
54. LSB 31
44. Veldril 25
42. ShmotZ 24
20. Lexpar 21
9. KtheZ 19
18. YummyBlaBla 19
23. jaminz 16 (17 if you include this one)
37. spydR 18
11. bumatlarge 15
56. Nemesis 15
41. Aeres 14
12. quickstriker 14
8. Divinek 11 (new player, replaced CKSide)
36. KhrisKruel 12 (didn't have forum access until late)
10. oddo123 12
1. deconduo 9
30. kingjames01 8
7. southrawrea 8
22. SiNiquity 7
46. LastArgument 6
39. MetalFace 6
24. Lucktar 5
26. Masq 5 (Lynched Day 1)
58. Node 5 (didn't have forum access until late)
25. AirbladeOrange 4 (didn't have forum access until late)
21. ~OpZ~ 4
19. BrownBear 3 (new player, replaced kuja900)
33. Flicky 3
38. Hyperbola 3
45. grandmoose 2
40. l0st_romantic 2
59. RebirthOfLeGenD 2 (new player, replaced mptj)
34. Artanis[Xp] 1 (new player, replaced Zeraghul)
2. ghrur 1 (new player, replaced d3_crescentia)
53. glurio 1 (new player, replaced Bill Murray)
29. HeavOnEarth 1
43. Hittegods 1
27. kenpachi 1
57. Yogy 1
35. chesshaha 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
49. Iankill 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
14. michaelthe 0 new player, replaced kitaman27)
31. Neos 0 (but has voted twice)
17. TheMunkey 0 (but has voted once)
13. Therick 0 (but has voted twice)
32. ZaplinG 0 (new player, replaced goldfishs)
15. zerroth 0
Top Posters:
+ Show Spoiler +
3. coagulation 106
5. orgolove 101
51. aztrorisk 98
16. NB 80
50. seRaPh 65
47. jcarlsoniv 62
28. youngminii 57
Players with 0 posts but who have voted:
+ Show Spoiler +
31. Neos 0 (but has voted twice)
17. TheMunkey 0 (but has voted once)
13. Therick 0 (but has voted twice)
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Now that I've done all that.....
I think it's pretty suspicious that 3 players have no posts in this thread, but have each voted. One of which (Therick) has alread cast a vote (for Veldril) for Day 2. I'm not saying they are for sure scum, but we should keep an eye on them. Lying low is one thing, not posting at all and still voting is another.
With respect to the whole Veldril thing, I think that we haven't done a good enough job analyzing the clues & people's reactions yet to make a definite decision. I think we should look back at the Day 1 clues, as the one that implicated Masq was very obvious. Maybe the other clues were just as obvious, and so we should look to who they point to (one of them pointing to Veldril, among others).
I'm open to discussion about anything. I hope the post count helps, because damn did it take a long time.
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I'm going to repost this, as I think it may have been skipped over:
Hey Dr. H, can you replace d3_crescentia with ghrur in the list on the front page? Thanks
Post Count, as of page 79
Note: These numbers may be slightly off due to the search function not always displaying exactly how many posts a person has per thread. I checked a few times f, and these were the numbers I found.
Players with Strikes through their names are dead. Notes in parentheses.
+ Show Spoiler +
1. deconduo 9
2. ghrur 1 (new player, replaced d3_crescentia)
3. coagulation 106
4. jodogohoo 46
5. orgolove 101
6. pandain 37
7. southrawrea 8
8. Divinek 11 (new player, replaced CKSide)
9. KtheZ 19
10. oddo123 12
11. bumatlarge 15
12. quickstriker 14
13. Therick 0 (but has voted twice)
14. michaelthe 0 new player, replaced kitaman27)
15. zerroth 0
16. NB 80
17. TheMunkey 0 (but has voted once)
18. YummyBlaBla 19
19. BrownBear 3 (new player, replaced kuja900)
20. Lexpar 21
21. ~OpZ~ 4
22. SiNiquity 7
23. jaminz 16 (17 if you include this one)
24. Lucktar 5
25. AirbladeOrange 4 (didn't have forum access until late)
26. Masq 5 (lynched Day1)
27. kenpachi 1
28. youngminii 57
29. HeavOnEarth 1
30. kingjames01 8
31. Neos 0 (but has voted twice)
32. ZaplinG 0 (new player, replaced goldfishs)
33. Flicky 3
34. Artanis[Xp] 1 (new player, replaced Zeraghul)
35. chesshaha 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
36. KhrisKruel 12 (didn't have forum access until late)
37. spydR 18
38. Hyperbola 3
39. MetalFace 6
40. l0st_romantic 2
41. Aeres 14
42. ShmotZ 24
43. Hittegods 1
44. Veldril 25
45. grandmoose 2
46. LastArgument 6
47. jcarlsoniv 62
48. annul 37
49. Iankill 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
50. seRaPh 65
51. aztrorisk 98
52. Glasse 42
53. glurio 1 (new player, replaced Bill Murray)
54. LSB 31
55. Kpyolysis32 43
56. Nemesis 15
57. Yogy 1
58. Node 5 (didn't have forum access until late)
59. RebirthOfLeGenD 2 (new player, replaced mptj)
60. thegilaboy 32
61. CubEdIn 36
In order from most posts to least:
+ Show Spoiler +
3. coagulation 106
5. orgolove 101
51. aztrorisk 98
16. NB 80
50. seRaPh 65
47. jcarlsoniv 62
28. youngminii 57
4. jodogohoo 46
55. Kpyolysis32 43
52. Glasse 42
48. annul 37
6. pandain 37
61. CubEdIn 36
60. thegilaboy 32
54. LSB 31
44. Veldril 25
42. ShmotZ 24
20. Lexpar 21
9. KtheZ 19
18. YummyBlaBla 19
23. jaminz 16 (17 if you include this one)
37. spydR 18
11. bumatlarge 15
56. Nemesis 15
41. Aeres 14
12. quickstriker 14
8. Divinek 11 (new player, replaced CKSide)
36. KhrisKruel 12 (didn't have forum access until late)
10. oddo123 12
1. deconduo 9
30. kingjames01 8
7. southrawrea 8
22. SiNiquity 7
46. LastArgument 6
39. MetalFace 6
24. Lucktar 5
26. Masq 5 (Lynched Day 1)
58. Node 5 (didn't have forum access until late)
25. AirbladeOrange 4 (didn't have forum access until late)
21. ~OpZ~ 4
19. BrownBear 3 (new player, replaced kuja900)
33. Flicky 3
38. Hyperbola 3
45. grandmoose 2
40. l0st_romantic 2
59. RebirthOfLeGenD 2 (new player, replaced mptj)
34. Artanis[Xp] 1 (new player, replaced Zeraghul)
2. ghrur 1 (new player, replaced d3_crescentia)
53. glurio 1 (new player, replaced Bill Murray)
29. HeavOnEarth 1
43. Hittegods 1
27. kenpachi 1
57. Yogy 1
35. chesshaha 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
49. Iankill 0 (didn't have forum access until late)
14. michaelthe 0 new player, replaced kitaman27)
31. Neos 0 (but has voted twice)
17. TheMunkey 0 (but has voted once)
13. Therick 0 (but has voted twice)
32. ZaplinG 0 (new player, replaced goldfishs)
15. zerroth 0
Top Posters:
+ Show Spoiler +
3. coagulation 106
5. orgolove 101
51. aztrorisk 98
16. NB 80
50. seRaPh 65
47. jcarlsoniv 62
28. youngminii 57
Players with 0 posts but who have voted:
+ Show Spoiler +
31. Neos 0 (but has voted twice)
17. TheMunkey 0 (but has voted once)
13. Therick 0 (but has voted twice)
It seems to me that the 3 people who have voted but have no posts are pretty suspicious. We should look at them more closely.
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shit, really? fuck, let me go back over everything
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