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Hey guys sorry I missed out on day 1. I didn't have access to the thread. I'm quite amazed we got a scum on day 1, but then again I'm not used to clue dynamics.
I'm catching up now and I'm on page 13. I thought I'd share this nice gem with you guys that I noticed.
On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:
Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL
Let me clarify:
NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL
Let me clarify more:
MR VAMPIRE
Let me clarify 3 more times:
VAMPIRE
VAMPIRE
VAMPIRE
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm looking for vampires AND mafia...anyone have thoughts on this?
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On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:
If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate.
If a person defend other person then those people are teammate.
Veldril defend Masq
Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate.
Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire.
If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please?
A post from Veldril responding to Bill Murray...he made the same mistake as BM and said vampire, instead of mafia/vampire.
But I don't think anyone really doubts that Veldril is a vampire at this point after his connections with Masq and Masq's flipping of vampire.
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On October 14 2010 10:09 NB wrote:
well he used the coffin reference.... and bill has been modkilled already....
hmm gues I'm confused. I didn't see any modkill references in the OP. If he's modkilled does he flip his role?
from my understanding the only flipped role so far is Masq. Still catching up
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On October 14 2010 10:26 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 10:25 KhrisKruel wrote:On October 14 2010 10:09 NB wrote:
well he used the coffin reference.... and bill has been modkilled already.... hmm gues I'm confused. I didn't see any modkill references in the OP. If he's modkilled does he flip his role? from my understanding the only flipped role so far is Masq. Still catching up He has been replaced, so someone else has his role now
ok then whoever replaced him is probably mafia then, with the slip up Bill made.
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On October 12 2010 14:22 Bill Murray wrote:
what has convinced him? i have posted like 200 lines of text on it
OMGUS
Chainsaw Defense
Weak red scumslips
He is a vampire. I'm pretty fucking sure of this.
another slip. Not sure why he's so convinced he HAS to be a vampire
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how someone plays a game is not a reason to vote for them, even if they're annoying. Any green/blue lynches are bad for the town.
Voting for information is stupid too.
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A player pretending to be a newbie when they're a veteran isn't indicative of scum, it's indicative of someone who doesn't like to get killed...no one wants to get killed and get kicked out of the game, townies/red/blues whoever. It's not fun to not be able to post 
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@orgo
Some advice. Spreadsheets are awesome. Amazing. Very good data compilation tools.
But they shouldn't be made public.
a) You give the scum detailed insight into how you think and where you are going
b) You allow the scum to manipulate your way of thinking
c) People will suspect you for it when you have unfortunately made mistakes.
Best to keep it to yourself. Spreadsheets help alot in this game to compile all the connections and information, but by posting it you are giving the scum information and you're also allowing them to manipulate you.
Also, I've been in your position before. You get frustrated from the spotlight and all the accusations. This is what this game is. A game of accusation. I suggest taking a step back from the computer, going outside or something, and clear your head before coming back to the game. Trust me, it helps.
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5 kills? Wasn't there 6 KP?
and vigilantes as well. I'd like to pat the Vigilantes on the back for keeping it in their pants, if that's what happened.
Although I think the guy replacing Bill Murray and Veldril should've died.
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youngmini died to LSB's pumpkin. So I guess that means 4 scum kills.
So two were blocked?
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On October 14 2010 13:25 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
The Vampire Brute dying is awesome
Yet another JoL is a little weird. I really doubt that 4 exist.
And wow at the Godfather getting killed so early
By the way, the clue in LSB's death does look a hell of a lot like I did it, with the cat. It's bound to come up, so I'll just point it out now so we don't waste time.
why would you implicate yourself?
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On October 14 2010 13:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 13:41 Coagulation wrote:
HOLY FUCKING CAT Kpyolysis32
i dont wanna seem kind of harsh but if this isnt an obvious link to scum then i dont know what is. Guys, the clues won't be as obvious as the one we used to lynch Masq. They could be, yes. I don't believe they will be though. Stop pointing fingers so fast, I don't want another Day 1 shit show -_-
you mean a day 1 shit fest in which scum got lynched? Yeah clue speculation doesn't work at all.
Unless you are a vampire of course. That didn't go well for vamps at all.
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On October 14 2010 16:42 Veldril wrote:
Don't jump your conclusion yet. There are several reasons that I did not die on Night 2.
1. A ghost protected me.
2. I have been poisoned, therefore will be death the next night.
3. It is better to keep me alive because I have drawn too much attention upon myself.
4. Bum and Youngminii and LSB are better target to kill than me, because they fervently wanted me to get lynched on day 1.
5. It is better to get me lynched than wasting night action/kill on me, especially when many people suspecting me as a vampire.
On October 14 2010 16:51 Veldril wrote:
EDIT the above post.
To clarify point 3, only Bum and Youngminii fervently want me lynched. LSB is killed by a vampire because he's a veteran and vampire knows he is not in his team.
1) Are you saying you were saved by a ghost night 1? please confirm
2) Are you saying you have been poisoned night 1? please confirm
FOr both of these, please don't speculate. you are either 100% sure or not.
3) all 3 of those people are dead
5) I agree
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edit by way of post:
I forgot 4...
Vedril, point 3 and 5 completely contradict each other.
4) all 3 of those people are dead
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On October 13 2010 16:23 Veldril wrote:
And Masq turns out to be a vampire...
If you guys are so worried about me, role check me if you want. You can even plant a bogeyman to spy whether someone visit me or not to. However, I think that some people are now 100% sure of my role right now.
Remember that town wants to reduce the number of vampire and mafia gradually and have their number similar to each other. Moreover, Mafia now would want to use town vote to kill me more than dirty their own hands. Lynching me now would only help strengthen Mafia.
All in all, reserve your judgment until day 2. There's going to be a lot of killing this night.
Can you explain this?
If you were a townie, how would your death strengthen the mafia?
To me this is basically a vampire claim
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Veldril is english your first language?
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I am now caught up in the game. My main suspects are:
Veldril - nearly confirmed vampire
Glurio - nearly confirmed mafia (sorry glurio for replacing in like this)
I'll make a long post explaining why in my next post.
Other than those two are just hunches and I haven't done much analysis. We can only lynch one person at a time so rather not distract from their lynching.
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I want to put my two cents in about blue roles.
Firstly, if you have a blue role, for the love of god don't claim unless you have a good reason. Don't even hint at them. You are giving the scum more information to easily make their nightkills.
Secondly, don't discuss what blue roles need to do. NB did this during day 1, and he was the mafia godfather. Blue roles will do what blue roles do, and they will give us information when they want us to.
Thirdly, don't claim to people in PM's. Don't listen to them when they say others have already claimed. You have no idea if they are townie or not, and knowing who you are you will die and the town will lose a blue role.
If that person tries to gain your trust by showing you a PM of them from DrH, they're cheating. They can tell you any role they have. All role PMs are public. Also, we were given two role pms, one of which has been changed. How do you know he isn't showing you the one given before?
As a rule, people discussing blue actions and asking people to PM them are never trustworthy. I hope the newbies to mafia don't fall into this. If you are a blue role, do what you think is best and don't listen to what anyone else tells you. Don't play WIFOM games of "well if we talk abou tit, then it won't happen." Just do what you believe is best. Don't worry about failing. Failing would be letting the mafia influence your night action for their benefit.
As a rule I'm highly suspicious of anyone discussing blue actions publicly.
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On October 14 2010 21:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 19:42 KhrisKruel wrote:
I want to put my two cents in about blue roles.
Firstly, if you have a blue role, for the love of god don't claim unless you have a good reason. Don't even hint at them. You are giving the scum more information to easily make their nightkills.
Secondly, don't discuss what blue roles need to do. NB did this during day 1, and he was the mafia godfather. Blue roles will do what blue roles do, and they will give us information when they want us to.
Thirdly, don't claim to people in PM's. Don't listen to them when they say others have already claimed. You have no idea if they are townie or not, and knowing who you are you will die and the town will lose a blue role.
If that person tries to gain your trust by showing you a PM of them from DrH, they're cheating. They can tell you any role they have. All role PMs are public. Also, we were given two role pms, one of which has been changed. How do you know he isn't showing you the one given before?
As a rule, people discussing blue actions and asking people to PM them are never trustworthy. I hope the newbies to mafia don't fall into this. If you are a blue role, do what you think is best and don't listen to what anyone else tells you. Don't play WIFOM games of "well if we talk abou tit, then it won't happen." Just do what you believe is best. Don't worry about failing. Failing would be letting the mafia influence your night action for their benefit.
As a rule I'm highly suspicious of anyone discussing blue actions publicly. This is highly cynical and I'm going to argue that it is just a stupid idea entirely. There needs to be structure in this game. It is inherently hard to build that town structure in this game because you can't trust ANYONE. However, that does not mean everyone should keep secrets. PMs should be had between people, and trust should be -tried- to be gained. If everyone just does their own thing, it will be the most chaotic game ever. If you honestly suspect people just for suggesting blue actions, then you would already know that I was theorycrafting what blues could do for Night 1 (unless everyone just ignores my posts, in which case *sadface*). If you are going to suspect me for that, then go ahead, it will be a waste. Blues shouldn't blindly declare, and certainly shouldn't publicly declare, but that's not to say that there shouldn't be an attempt to make some structure.
Yes I suspect you. I Don't trust anyone trying to control blue actions. The town doesn't need structure until late in the game when roles are pretty much confirmed. At that point a mass claim is correct. Early in the game its better just to let blues do what they want.
Besides, who is going to control the structure? Why would anyone trust anyone? If you claim to a mafia, you'll just die the next night.
Any blue claiming to an unknown person has got to be completely retarded. Players that are new to the game might fall for these dumb tactics.
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On October 14 2010 22:28 seRapH wrote:
Huh, this is the perfect way to play IF YOU WANT SCUM TO WIN. FoS
No, scum influencing blue actions is the way for scum to win.
On October 14 2010 22:28 seRapH wrote:
Why? Well then town is COMPLETELY disorganized, while scum is still perfectly intact. It'll take forever to confirm townies and even longer to confirm reds. You're highly suspicious of anyone discussing blue actions? Well I'm highly suspicious of you.
Having publicly confirmed townies is not a good thing. They'll just die. Secondly, how do you know that the person you're talking to isn't scum? If a blue privately discloses a role to a scum, and then that role gets confirmed, why would the scum keep that blue around?
There's absolutely no way to confirm someone as a townie through private PM's. There's no way to control blue's actions without letting the scum know. Therefore, best policy is to let the blue's do what they want, and the scum have less information.
This is so weird arguing about this because this is the first game I've ever run across where this was an issue. I thought it was common knowledge not to do this.
On October 14 2010 10:02 KhrisKruel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys sorry I missed out on day 1. I didn't have access to the thread. I'm quite amazed we got a scum on day 1, but then again I'm not used to clue dynamics. I'm catching up now and I'm on page 13. I thought I'd share this nice gem with you guys that I noticed. On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:
Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Let me clarify: NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Let me clarify more: MR VAMPIRE Let me clarify 3 more times: VAMPIRE VAMPIRE VAMPIRE I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm looking for vampires AND mafia...anyone have thoughts on this?
On October 14 2010 22:28 seRapH wrote:
An incredibly stupid post that concentrates more on the fact that BM was making a joke than anything else (he mentions the possibility of both mafia AND vampire). I thought I'd let it slide since you weren't pushing that hard, and at least held a sliver of truth.
The other thing you were doing that annoyed me was your claim of having "experience" by telling people how they should play the game when you're clearly wrong.
He wasn't making a joke, he said vampires. He mentioned it multiple times throughout his posts. He called Veldril a vampire multiple times and never mentioned the possibility of him being mafia. This is a slip. BM is almost certainly a mafia because of this.
I like how you say I'm annoying for telling others how to play the game, yet you're arguing with me how to play the game. Hypocratic much? And I'm not wrong. Blues need to do what they want to do and shouldn't be influenced by anyone else but themselves. It's suspicious to try and control blue actions.
On October 14 2010 22:28 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 12:24 KhrisKruel wrote:
how someone plays a game is not a reason to vote for them, even if they're annoying. Any green/blue lynches are bad for the town.
Voting for information is stupid too. Say we have a dumbass greenie who's charismatic and pushes extremely hard for whoever his suspicions first land on, and people actually bandwagon. Way more townies would get lynched. Suppose a dumbass greenie is bored with his role and just reads the threads to make dumb jokes and poke fun at people. Suppose a lot of dumbass greenies are inactive because their role sucks and so they don't want to play, helping to hide scum. Voting for information is stupid? That is retarded, day 1 how the fuck else are you going to get information? You want us to rely on clues, Mr I've-Got-Tons-Of-Mafia-Experience? The rest of your posts go on attacking Veldril who's already vampire in most people's eyes. Sure, that's safe, even beneficial if you're mafia. You're getting really scummy in my eyes.
Dumbass greens need to be exposed for what they are...dumbass greens. Lynching a townie is always detrimental to the town, period.
All those scenarios though the "green" person would be scummy, and would get lynched for being scummy, not because people want information.
As for how to lynch day 1, connections and clues and people using logic fallacies are the way to lynch people.
Veldril actively defended masq when there was no reason to. Masq flipped vampire. Easy connection.
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