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Now that this plan has been announced, VI must try get himself lynched subtly or risk the above plan being put into action. Be cautious, guys. EDIT: i voted for proactinium because BrownBear did too  its the cool thing to do | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:14 Protactinium wrote: No editing. Also, as I've already stated town threatening to lynch VI doesn't scare the Mafia. If the VI is lynched, everybody (excluding the VI, of course) loses. Why would Mafia feel forced to have to kill him at night? BrownBear is the host. When did he vote for me? Also "its the cool thing to do" is such a nice statement to make, obvious implications I stated the exact reason. If village threatens to kill village idiot, mafia's only option to stay in the game is to kill the village idiot at night. I know full well the win condition of the village idiot, and it is the EXACT reason the mafia should feel compelled to carry out the dirty work of removing him. oh, and i meant Bill Murray voted for you :/ I was feeling sad about having to vote on day 1 without evidence, but your reply which is a blatant invective rather than an attempt to cooperate/defend self has caused me to lose sympathy. I apologize if this is unfounded or wrong, but making personal attacks on each other in the beginning is one of the hallmarks of a player who is unhelpful in the long run, from my experience. | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:22 Protactinium wrote: I'm sorry, am I attacking you? I was pretty sure I was just attacking your ideas, good sir. Well, then can you offer a logical argument as to why mafia would abstain from night-killing village idiot if village idiot is exposed and town makes the threat I outlined above? I would be glad to hear any thoughtful criticism, as this plan needs to work perfectly to actually get rid of that idiotic nuisance. | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:29 SiNiquity wrote: This presumes the Mafia is in a position to win - if they feel like they're losing, then it's the town's game to lose by following through with the lynch. As long as the mafia are still in the game, they stand to lose by not night-killing the VI, regardless of whether it's also "the town's game to lose." To win, the mafia must remove both the VI and the town. A 1% chance to win the game is still preferable to simply losing. I know I've seen games where 1 mafia took out several town by himself with some clever lynch voting. :/ We should also try to start figuring out (if we've already done this, sorry, I just jumped in :/) what role Godfather is posing as, to help the DT do his job with the utmost accuracy. My first thought was that Godfather would pose as VI, and after that I can't decide which of the blue roles (barring DT of course) would be the most viable to pose as. Posing as bulletproof or veteran would cause the DT to defend him heavily against lynch kills, but I think the same probably applies for medic, mad hatter, and vigilante. Any other opinions? | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:40 Pandain wrote: Basically, if the town's going to be that much of a panda poacher than mafia can just do the same thing. They don't hit the VI. Then what? We doom ourselves? Chances are we change our mind and the mafia are 1 up on us. Basically, the plan revolves entirely around wifom, which should rarely be used in mafia. Alright, we have two explantions from why they voted Proctat. What about you, Sinquity? I guess my entire plan is based around the assumption that mafia doesn't want to lose, which isn't such a safe assumption at all apparently. I guess equally viable would be that the Vigilante nightkill the VI as soon as VI is revealed. Town really can't lose from killing VI at night, because either VI will go or Godfather will go, and they should both be priorities IMO. | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:49 Protactinium wrote: To summarize, since there's more information now: if Poisoner and Roleblocker show up to a check, they are definitely that. And since they are Mafia power roles, why not reveal them? I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds. @Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested. | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: infinitestory, you're throwing out some really dumb arguments here. you've posted nothing until people started throwing you under suspicion, it seems a bit like you may be cracking under pressure. on top of that you edited your post. i would vote for you but something gives me a hunch that you're the village idiot. *sigh* I do crack under pressure easily... | ||
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On October 06 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the town does not win if the VI is lynched so why does that matter? town threatening to lynch VI is empty and mafia would just ignore it completely. that wouldn't even work since in order to threaten to lynch the VI they have to know who the VI is meaning the mafia will likely know as well and can just hit him at night Alright. I give up on my argument. I relent. I crack under pressure. Does that please you? What I intended was simply to get people thinking hard about how to get rid of VI, as he is a problem that must be solved through the cooperation of multiple roles. I guess you have an excellent reason for showing me up here, though. Shall we discuss something else now? | ||
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On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote: Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway? He's worried that if Protact is mafia, the mafia will pull some shenanigans and change the leader away from him before lynch. | ||
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On October 06 2010 12:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: I don't think lynching Protactinium is a good idea. It's obvious there's a bandwagon vote going on and most of the hesitation is because of pages 15-17... not really anything to get up in arms over. Definitely should consider other players. I've been considering it, and I'm going to change my vote to make it as inconsequential as possible (voting for someone with few votes who is likely to be modkilled). I think I jumped the gun on this vote. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica wasn't being serious. "I'm not mafia" is the least credible evidence that you're not mafia. | ||
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On October 06 2010 13:02 Protactinium wrote: All is going exactly as I have planned. good god that's ominous | ||
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On October 06 2010 13:18 SiNiquity wrote: You're dead. Now shut up like a good little hellspawn. + Show Spoiler + didn't feel like formatting On October 06 2010 13:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 13:02 Protactinium wrote: On October 06 2010 13:00 SiNiquity wrote: I getcha, heh. Also, Prot's headed to the gallows (bum just chimed in). Sorry buddy ~ could've thwarted this whole mess if you'd have fessed up. All is going exactly as I have planned. the dead don't speak The dead are currently in Twilight, since the night post hasn't gone up. Remember this post, DoctorHelvetica? I took the liberty of reading up on your games a while back, and this nice little tidbit came from Incognito's XVI: On January 28 2010 11:39 Ng5 wrote: You're dead. Now shut up like a good little hellspawn Well subs mean Prot's not VI (no reason to go through the hassle otherwise), and this seems to suggest that XeliN has a role. Interesting. We're going to learn about Prot's VI-ness or non-VI-ness in a moment anyway, and I don't think we should assume BrownBear was careless and simply gave away XeliN's status as a role. If that statement implies XeliN is a role, it should also imply JeeJee is not. | ||
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On October 07 2010 11:10 LSB wrote: If Xelin turns out to be green, that either means 1) He's Godfather. 2) Brownbear did sub out Fairytail and Kane due to their Blue/Red roles 3) Brownbear used a random number generator. I think we should be careful of reading too much into who BrownBear subbed for. I don't know if we could confirm that BrownBear meant "role" as in actual blue/red, bar having a DT check some of the subs and Xelin. Drawing a conclusion like this might lead us down the wrong path with future lynches based on nonexistent evidence. I'm not saying throw this out, I'm saying be careful of putting too much stock into this. This will be a helpful event to keep in the back of our minds if future DT checks do seem to corroborate the theory, but for now, a DT check that turns up green and some questionable evidence isn't good enough for a Godfather confirmation, at least in my mind. Also, in response to LSB's (1) scenario, I have a question. This is my first game here, so those of you with extensive experience: If anything like the Godfather has been in previous games, has the Godfather-equivalent masqueraded as VI, Blue, or Green? If there hasn't been a Godfather equivalent in previous games, what do you all think the Godfather would pose as? Getting some solid ideas about Godfather's role will better equip our DT, in my opinion. | ||
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His two posts: Given my schedule I'll be posting from about now till... well hopefully until the day ends. Seeing as how I'm new I guess this lynch the inactive's makes sense, and to avoid being one of the first ones to go, Here I am! If you don't have enough information to make an educated vote, is it better to go with the majority, or vote randomly? | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: Maybe I agree here. Seems like an okay lynch candidate. I would be willing to get behind this for his sudden appearance. But BB may have pm'd him, so I'll have to check the timings. I totally forgot about the game until BB reminded me. ._." | ||
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HFT/BC - Probably top of my suspect list. The contradiction BM found in HFT's posts is pretty good evidence, although I'm less convinced about BC's "rolefishing." For new players, that honestly is pretty good advice. BM - I'm torn. He did "lose" us on the first day, but he also found an anti-town. He has been acting like a village idiot with his plan to weed out greens (which I believe doesn't make any sense), but he has also provided us with a solid lead for a suspect. I think his analysis for who's anti-town is valuable, so I wouldn't vote to leech him for now. Ghrur - He did vote for Protact, but he had a reasoned post, and I think he was simply duped by Protact. I don't think he was very scummy from what I saw. cSc - He's not so much a suspect as an inactive or a newbie; I don't know if he will post his logic for bumatlarge (if he had any) or if we will get anything out of it. Crisis - his "stuck between a rock and a hard place" is pretty odd, and this post: On October 06 2010 12:50 Crisis_ wrote: I'll just tell you right now, I'm not red. which was made AFTER he voted protact to put himself out of the lead is also questionable. My #2 suspect, and as OpZ said, definitely needs to be in a higher light. Dr. H - Looks like he really doesn't like Misder, but I can definitely see why. I wouldn't suspect him so much because his arguments have been pretty focused and reasonable. OpZ - Narrow your suspect list. It's obvious you're good at picking out odd posts, but I want to see your top few. | ||
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