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I'm rockin' the mafia role the past 4 out of 5 games I've played! Let's make that 5 out of 6 shall we? | ||
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Edit: Can we also get an explanation of all the Detective/Medic variants and such? | ||
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On June 10 2010 07:20 flamewheel wrote: Between the Watcher/Stalker and DT there's more likely to be a DT. Watchers and Stalkers are cute roles, and I'd count them as half a blue role. There'll probably be one of either. On June 10 2010 07:27 meeple wrote: Hmm... now that I think more about it... since the watcher/tracker role is somewhat less powerful, its more likely we have another medic or detective thrown into the mix. Seriously though, did either of you even bother to think this through? Seems to me it's like, "lulz watz this weird role? no wai it can be good as DT otherwise we'd use it more AM I RIGHT?!?" Power to the DT! On June 10 2010 10:06 L wrote: Given that 1) is a better plan, we'll probably end up having haters bring the hate because my name is a letter long and go with 2) under fears that a nearly impossible to lose game will crumble under the weight of "L is too dangerous to listen to". Your call. I'll totally go for this. Thanks for saving me the time of having to write that out  | ||
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On June 10 2010 11:58 flamewheel wrote: Sure did! When did I say it was not as good as the DT? You said they were half a blue role remember? Or are DT's now half a blue role as well? Or maybe they are only a quarter? Does that mean medics are still a full blue role? Perhaps they are worth two thirds instead. A mad hatter must be a full blue role right? Incog sure loves mad hatters so there's probably one of those. Do I sound like Chezinu to you? I really didn't mean to start writing like him but things just kinda came out on their own. I guess the influence is rubbing off on me. Is it wrong for me to be slightly bothered that Darth listed me as one of the "cute" people? | ||
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On June 10 2010 13:18 citi.zen wrote: Under the spoiler to save Foolishness his "nobody cares" sticker. <3 On June 10 2010 13:21 redtooth wrote: i guess we decided not to open with random accusations. citizen your statement here is irrelevant since there can be multiple identical blue roles. we just don't know how it'll play out. on the other hand, we could just as easily have 4 people claim the same role and spend 4 nights lynching each of them. my only qualm with L's plan is that the structure of the game is forum based. that means posts come in linearly, one at a time and uneditable. what happens when there is only one medic and he roleclaims? mafia gets an easy kill in the first round with our most valuable player. if you think about it, the likelihood of 2 medics being in this game is VERY low since it would essentially be GG once they figure each other out (mafia just can't do shit). even with a roleblocker, i doubt that Incognito would create such a town-favored setup. That being said, what do you think about the two people that have already roleclaimed? Outing yourself as the tracker which is probably the most powerful blue role this game seems like such a terrible idea right now. Of course he could be pulling a RoL and just be a townie trying to fool the mafia or get protection cause he's selfish. Or he could actually be another blue role trying for protection. He could be mafia, although I doubt he would post that fast without consent from his brothers first. Or he could just be stupid. On June 10 2010 12:08 ohN wrote: Townie. I have no powerz.  Along those lines I say we lynch this guy first. | ||
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On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote: Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit. WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote: It means either somebody else more important got Veteran At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. | ||
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So when you sent in the PM to Incognito about being the Godfather, did you tell him you were a Veteran? I'm going to be really upset if I find out later that you pussied out and chose to play it safe and be a "townie" | ||
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On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened. Does anybody else feel like this post was scripted? It reminds me of PYP mafia when Radfield pretended to be saved by a medic even though he had no way of knowing he was saved (and he turned out to be the Assassin). Starting with the positives, it's good that you claimed to be role blocked as that potentially reveals your innocence. It's good that yes, this could mean your death will help us figure out the detectives alignment. But now I'm really curious. Of particular notice to me was the time stamps on the posts: On June 13 2010 08:06 Incognito wrote: On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Assuming Incognito didn't tell you night action until day post went up, you busted out your claim there in a whopping 9 minutes. That seems to me like you were waiting for the post to come up before posting your claim of being roleblocked. I'm not denying you got roleblocked, I'm saying you're mafia, and the mafia purposely roleblocked you to try to save you. Consider this, Ludwig announces that he's rolechecking AFJ, for whatever reason. Ludwig seems to be a spur-of-the-moment kinda guy, so let's think about what happens. Assuming AFJ is mafia, the mafia team upon reading Ludwig's post is going to be all "shit shit shit what do we do". They know MooCow still had to send in his hit as well so that puts them in a very very awkward scenario. With two detectives, AFJ is going to get crosschecked. If one of the results turn up mafia, then he's going to almost certainly die, no matter what his alignment in. Mafia know this, so they try to come up with a plan to try to save AFJ. The way they can do that is by roleblocking AFJ. AFJ can claim in the thread that he got roleblocked, and even if detectives give him a mafia, he will be spared (hopefully). Which seems great and dandy except the mafia have absolutely no reason to roleblock AFJ. The mafia know AFJ is getting cross checked, why would they bother to roleblock him? Especially considering four blues claimed in the thread. Even if the mafia predecided "k we're sniping tree.hugger no matter what" there's no reason why they would not choose to roleblock meeple. Meeple, is the only one who claimed watcher, and thus the mafia can be assured that the identity of the roleblocker will not be revealed if they roleblock him. The only way things could go badly if there's another watcher (seems unlikely given 2 cops) or if tree.hugger doesn't die and happens to track the roleblocker. Seeing as how the plan was for him to track one of the two DT's, or possibly meeple, that wouldn't happen. Given that the mafia chose not roleblocking meeple, which would have been nearly 100% safe for them to do, tells us that something is wrong. Plus, out of all people, why block AFJ? Does anyone think he's done anything to merit being a possible blue. On June 13 2010 10:04 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: and yes radfield, I find it random that I was role blocked too. perhaps they suspected I'm a vig or medic? Except it doesn't make sense for the mafia to suspect that. Nor does it make sense to roleblock the person the DTs are checking. On June 13 2010 11:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town. You put a lot of emphasis on this point in your first post and in this one. You knew that you were getting roleblocked so you say this sort of thing to prove your innocence. You say "Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched" to try to prove yourself innocent. Did you really think that situation through in under 9 minutes after you received the PM that you got roleblocked? It took me a while to realize that something was odd about the roleblock and that the explanation that you are mafia is the only thing that makes sense. You being able to process all that through in 9 minutes is quite impressive... Most people if they got roleblock would probably not claim immediately and be like "shit shit what do I do? Mafia want me dead...shit shit". I would expect said person would not claim until after multiple people have posted saying "yes, if you got roleblocked, please claim in the thread". Jumping the gun and posting you got blocked is wayyy too odd. People have already outlined the scenario that none of the DTs are normal. Given that there's already a watcher and a tracker, don't you think a normal DT would be a bit too good for the town? I don't think the results of the checks mean anything given that AFJ was roleblocked. On June 13 2010 11:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Incognito, I'd appreciate it if you'd state that greens get PMd when they get role blocked. L, sure, I'm looking forward to what the watcher has to say. If he did watch me he'll find that I was visited by a mafia and even be able to give us who it was. But that would mean the mafia fucked up massively last night by role blocking me given that they knew I was going to be watched... I also never recall it being the plan for the watcher to watch the person who was getting checked by the DT. The plan was for the watcher/tracker to look at the DT's (or tracker to track the watcher). I don't remember reading anything about "k, DT's and watcher all go on same person". Overall, you getting roleblock makes no sense given the amount of roleclaims in the thread. You posting yourself getting blocked 9 minutes after day starts (and not to mention posting something that feels very scripted) does not follow a typical innocent attitude. I'll comment on this since you just posted it as well: On June 14 2010 07:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I've been thinking about why I was role blocked, and it makes more sense now. Clearly if the watcher watches the person who gets role blocked, we catch a mafioso. With 4 confirmed blues, and the mafia not knowing for sure which blue is which (so they couldn't just role block the watcher), it makes it very risky for them to role block one of the blues for fear that our watcher will happen to watch the role blockie. So they decided to just try to role block the medic through an educated guess (does my posting behavior come across as medicy?). Now, they did take a risk in hitting tree.hugger, since if meeple was watching tree.hugger he'd have seen who killed him. But I think they didn't want to take a high risk - low reward with their role blocker. The problem here is that the mafia could have roleblocked meeple without much worry. Sure, meeple could claim he was roleblocked, but he's the only one who claimed watcher. Furthermore roleblocking meeple would have halted our finding out about the innocence of our two DTs. I'm sure the mafia is happy about killing tree.hugger, but their choice not to roleblock meeple has apparently given rise to a powerful town circle of blues. Was it really worth it for them to waste their roleblock like that? Definitely not. It's a bigger risk for the mafia to try to kill tree.hugger than to try to roleblock meeple (or tree.hugger for that matter). As outlined before, the only way roleblocking meeple would turn out bad is if tree.hugger decided to be stupid and track some random guy. Knowing tree.hugger that's highly unlikely. Hitting tree.hugger is incredibly risky though. He has a good chance of being medic protected, and if he got protted the a big town circle would form. And although the plan was for meeple to watch a DT, meeple could have easily justified watching tree.hugger. (imagine this, day 2 started and meeple says "hey guys so I decided to watch tree.hugger, person X visited him so he must be mafia"). I'm pretty sure we would kill that person without much hesitation. Thus the mafia took a big risk in hitting tree.hugger; a risk that is definitely much bigger than roleblocking one of the claimed blues. And no, your posting is not medicy, it's mafiay. If you're indirectly trying to claim, best do it now. On June 14 2010 07:34 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Apparently he's going to be more active starting today. (according to a PM exchange I had with him) I told you in the PM you posted to keep PMing me. You didn't do that. I also sent this to AFJ upon finding he didn't respond to my PM: ----- No response to my earlier PM? How sad...I really thought you were innocent but now I'm second guessing my self... ----- And he still didn't respond. And I sent this awhile ago and keep expecting a response sooner or later given that he's posting in the thread. Why would he ignore me if he was innocent? | ||
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On June 14 2010 07:12 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote: WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. I imagine that because flamewheel hosts so many games, he got a special bonus from a fellow host. Not a big deal. More importantly, after being mostly inactive since midway through the first day, why are you focusing on this and not more pressing matters? Oh it's a huge deal. You got townie right? Think about it. You may have originally gotten a role but got copped out because someone privileged wanted it. On June 14 2010 07:15 L wrote: Because he wanted to make a post that appears to have content but doesn't. Does anyone know how to use TL's search to find all of someone's posts in a certain thread? Would make this much easier for me. I appreciate the concern, but I just made a post with content (although I'm sure you're going to claim otherwise for the sake of your argument). And AFJ even posted my PM where I said I'd be gone for a bit. I know I'm going to regret writing this because you're going to jump on me and claim I'm mafia off of ridiculous assumptions, but as you said "haters bring the hate". | ||
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On June 14 2010 08:26 L wrote: So here's my post on Foolishness: Foolishness at the time of me writing this has: Posts at the: 66 84 100 111 168 173 179 283 429 432 positions in the thread. There's a very strong concentration around the early game, then a strong trending presence late. 66-100: Foolishnesses first three posts are pre-game, but they're very interesting in light of developments to come. In 66, Foolishness basically jokes and says he's been mafia quite a lot and that he wants to be mafia again. In 84, Foolishness asks for the game to be delayed if people want him to play, then he's cool with the starting time in 100 and signs up. In 111, Foolishness asks if PMing is allowed. K. Post game start: In 168 Foolishness basically puts up an empty post. He does nothing more than lightly beratethe plan and tell someone else he doesn't care about something. Odd. In 173 he starts dogging flamewheel with an admittedly Chez-like post. He asks a bunch of questions and leaves things like that. Again: Odd. In 179 he basically starts up by stating that tree.hugger couldn't possibly be the tracker because claiming would be stupid. He also suggests killing Ohn in a one liner and drops the idea. This post marks the first bit of Foolishness's productive content. 100 posts later in 283, Foolishness makes a one liner townie claim. 429 rips on Flamewheel for rather irrelevant shit. 432 paints Flamewheel as Godfather because he asked the host for a role. Foolishness has 2 posts after this. 1 is large and with real content. The other is small and does not. First, to deal with a claim made of me: No, you don't appreciate the concern. You didn't post that PM in the thread. You didn't tell the town that you were going to be afk. You replied to a PM and stayed silent about your activity, trying to downplay suspicion. You clearly weren't as afk as you'd have liked it to appear because you were worming around in PMs. Why the hell wouldn't you go "hey bros, busy weekend"? I had a lot of work to do this week and said so. Why hide shit? Because that's not what I do. Have you ever seen me post in the thread "k guys I got shit to do be back in a day or two"? I seldom do that because I hate people who do that. People doing that is what spawned my whole NOBODY CARES syndrome. If I started doing that I would look like a hypocrite. On June 14 2010 08:26 L wrote: What's more, why the well timed inactivity and reappearance? You specificially wanted the game to start later then were happy about its start time, so what's up with that? You've been known to do this in many of your games as blue or mafia, you go afk at the start to keep yourself alive until you're excessively prodded, and only then do you go to work. Typically you wait until day 3, but I guess you were worried that AFJ would pass the buck onto you today? Because I told Incognito I wanted the game to start on Sunday (today). And I said I realized that was probably a bit infeasible so I told him if he waited until Wednesday I would play, but that I might be a bit inactive the first day or two. As I recall, I always seem to go afk at the start to keep myself alive. In Mafia XV I did the same thing as green and mafia killed me first night since they thought I was blue. I've done it every game no matter what role I was. So yeah you are right in that matter, but it doesn't mean anything about my alignment this game. On June 14 2010 08:26 L wrote: I mean, I have no idea what to think here. You're either the medic, the day vig or a mafia member. That said, you're suspicious as all hell. I wouldn't advocate killing you today, nor do I feel like pushing against you because I think there's a high possibility that it'll force meeple to come out to defend you if you are the medic, which would essentially end the game for us. There's a lot in your post history that doesn't add up. I'm going to check something so give me a few hours. Then wait until tomorrow to push against me if you feel I'm still suspect. That said, do you have any opinion about what I posted about AcrossFiveJulys? Or any reason why we should or shouldn't kill him? He's been awfully quiet since I made that post nor has he responded to my PMs. | ||
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On June 14 2010 10:55 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Yes, a MINIMUM of 2 nights to learn the alignment of the detectives assuming they are telling the truth (this is a big assumption). After I flip green, that minimum is reached only if at least one of the detectives happens to get back a red rolecheck on the 2nd night. What is the likelihood of that? A better plan is to wait until a red role check is returned. Then, that red is lynched. If they flip green, they you can lynch me because you'll know one of the detectives is insane. If flip they red, then you'll know I'm clean. Tell me, genius, what disadvantage approaching it that way gives. Since mafia KP does not decrease (KP is always 1) there is no advantage to lynching me now rather than once red rolechecks come back (unless I'm the best mafia candidate the town can come up with). We should be assuming that detectives are sane but checking to make sure they are as we lynch people, not the other way around. Coming up with strategies that assume detectives are less likely to be sane (I'm looking at you, L, and radfield) is confusion-spreading mafia behavior. As Radfield said, we need to learn something about the alignment of our DTs. You guys sort of half committed to this plan yesterday when it was decided everyone should roleclaim and coordinate DT checks. Yeah, I think you're mafia and I gave my reasoning and analysis. Even if I hadn't, we got to follow the plan and lynch you. Yeah, I know it's really fucked up and all, and I surely didn't vote for it, nor did I choose to have the DTs inspect you but that's how it is. Pending all that, do you have someone you'd rather lynch? Yeah I know you want to kill me and L does too but anyone else? I mean, if you made a nice little post explaining how citizen is suspicious/inactive and then compare his attitude in this game to the past game where he was mafia (I'll just go ahead and tell you right now he's acting exactly the same), I could very easily be convinced to lynch him and not you. | ||
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On June 15 2010 02:00 meeple wrote: I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive. To go by history, Vivi57 is usually inactive when he's townie, and very active if he has a blue role. Not as sure as when he's mafia, but I'd go for RoL just in case. | ||
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On June 15 2010 02:31 citi.zen wrote: You're pretty confirmed too I guess, with A5J. You mind explaining any of that? | ||
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On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote: [/blue]Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) | ||
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On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote: I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out. We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it. ##vote Ohn for DT checks | ||
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On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?). Him not responding means he's of no use to the town, and even if he's town aligned he should die. Also confirming DT sanities out of it is even better for us. Obviously if you have someone better, give reasoning and vote. There's no reason not to unless you're mafia. | ||
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Killing flamewheel would also be very nice. | ||
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