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Based on this part: "Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Dedicated and passionate to his job, Incognito would not let any threat deter him from furthering the prosperity of the town." Zeks profile has a pic of Shikamaru, who in the series is known for being extremely intelligent/intuitive. AcrossFiveJulys' profile has the quote "obstacles in life are like weights in the gym..." which could possibly relate to the dedication and passion of Incognito. | ||
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On June 03 2010 12:57 MooCow wrote: Can a mafia member be voted in as mayor? I think so. If YellowInk was mayor then it would be impossible for a rolecheck. | ||
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On June 04 2010 06:49 YellowInk wrote: I claim that it's an increased likelihood of being discovered for me in particular. If I were mafia and there's this thing out there that's a clue pointing at my face, I make a bad mayoral candidate because I'll be discovered. As a part of team mafia, I'd much rather let one who is not suspected make a run for office. (see previous post for more elaborate explanation) Also, the mayor is really only a mouthpiece for the town if people trust him. Mayors do hold a lot of power - the crux of the matter is that they typically do not hold a lot of trust. I believe that because of my position with respect to the clue it will cause more people to be more trusting of me once I can be publicly cleaned (if they're not already convinced just by my campaign). I don't expect people to vote for me simply based on self-implied innocence. While hopefully this is weighted into your thoughts since the risk vs reward implies that I am town, it's not the only thing I have going for me. My original reason for deciding to run was because of the obvious clue pointing at me. This puts me in the unique position of being able to create a position of both power and strong trustworthiness in the mid game - a truly effective mayor. At this point I believe you are town, but I'm still a little wary of your tactics so far. There's still a possibility you are Mafia, and you're using the fact that the most obvious clue from the opening day post pointed to you to your advantage - you would be outed eventually because of it, so why not cause a blow to the town before you go down by taking the mayor out of the game, as well as wasting possibly all the detective's actions for the first day on finding you out. Also, like others, I'm a little disturbed at your aggression in pushing for yourself as mayor. Coupled with the glaring clue pointing towards you, that's why I voted for Darth. He could be mafia, but he's not associated with any clues as of yet, and he seems pretty clean from his posts. Hopefully that's a genuine sign that he's a town and not just skill picked up from playing multiple games. | ||
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On June 04 2010 09:01 LunarDestiny wrote: People, I made a mafia war excel checklist for you guys. You don't have to use it. But if you are lazy to make one, then you might want to get it. Download Link Awesome thanks <3. I had already made a partial list myself, but I haven't finished it yet. This is much better! | ||
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What if the Mafia/the GF (the godfather especially benefits from staying active and putting on a townie facade, right?) are keeping active in this game and it's helping them? We've already taken down one town member, probably simply because he was inexperienced with the game. I know I am. I think all of us should be more careful before we decide who we vote for lynching as well as who the blue roles help/hurt. | ||
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On June 05 2010 15:24 DarthThienAn wrote: The more active = the more prone to error and slipups = good for town. The more active = the better I (and everyone else) can read you (and everyone else) The more active = the more thinking and planning and organization gets done. No one's saying that activity = pro-town. If any has, it's more like, "his activity combined with the pro-town feel of his posts..." etc. I'll speak from experience - mafia inherently have less incentive to be active and post. First of all, they don't want to post a lot and help the town. They want to skate by unnoticed, and kill people silently at night. This is why we call out anyone who seems inactive, ever. Others do the "I'm pro-town" scheme early, and then fade away. Either way, we as town want to force mafia to speak up more so that they can slip up and are forced to either make bad logic, or give up their own members. If the mafia/GF are being really active, then we need to step up and match them. Read: TOWN BE MORE ACTIVE PLZ. Seriously, I mean 24 brains >>> 6 brains right? No one wins mafia games alone. The town has an advantage in that we (ideally) have 24 people thinking for us, whereas they have 6, and those 6 are limited. We took down an inactive member who was probably inexperienced BECAUSE he didn't do what we told him to. It would've been easy for him to, as town, just post "I voted for myself because... I'm symbolically abstaining" and then post whatever else is relevant. Him not posting hurt the town. Doing nothing doesn't do nothing to the town, it hurts it. Everyone got it? And, we're always careful about who we lynch. Yellow and I gave our reasoning as to why we lynched jiabung - if you disagreed you should have proposed someone else / spoken up much sooner. If anyone has a good idea, of course we'll take it. Until then, you're leaving it on us "active" people to do all the thinking, which sucks for me personally at least. Well, I didn't disagree, so I shouldn't really be complaining now. It's just that hindsight is 20/20 etc. | ||
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On June 06 2010 02:52 onihunter wrote: I don't think the strict posting policy that YellowInk is a good idea. Yes, getting people more active about this game is a good thing. However, artificially stimulating it like this just doesn't seem very helpful nor good for the spirit of the game. People can easily get by posting vague thoughts on random people, and it just doesn't seem right to me to FORCE people to post. It's a game after all, not a homework assignment. Instead, letting new players who are currently pretty inactive individually adopt this policy if they wish to seems better. If the new player has a set goal every day, then he will probably encourage himself to post more and be more aware of his own activity level. I think YellowInk's idea should be a guideline, not a hard rule. I'll post some thoughts on the actual game when stuff occurs to me. I was under the impression it was definitely a guideline - just one that if you don't follow you'll eventually get lynched if you aren't doing anything (until we find more appropriate people to lynch). I think the rule is a good idea, and it'll push people who have been active and reading but just too intimidated to post much into more activity (a category I feel I fall under). It will, like others have said, separate those who don't care from those who do. Hopefully these "vague thoughts" don't reflect badly on me now  On June 06 2010 03:10 sputnik.theory wrote: I've noticed that a quite a few players (including me) have been called out for not posting too much on day1 and in our defence, I'd just like to point out that there's only so much that can be said at the start of the game. I'll be posting more as the game develops and there's actually things to talk about. I agree with this, especialy in the last few pages. Most of the posts haven't been about much other than getting the inactives to post more. That's why the rule is so important for people to start following though - even during the beginning we can still be analyzing peoples thought processes and personalities. | ||
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Zyrre: has a quote from Day[9] - "Let's gut this puppy!" Gut could relate to the stabbing, combined with his lack of activity this could mean something. Deucegladlier: Has a picture of a girl with "BOOK!" on her shirt. This could relate to the library, where barth was killed. Pretty farfetched I know, but he is also pretty inactive. | ||
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On June 06 2010 14:00 bumatlarge wrote: Not really pickin up on clues very well, but i do see more bloody knife play that people can be connected too i guess, like hugo playing as spy in tf2 or those zealot/DT pics everyone already mentioned. I noticed Hugo as well for the spy thing. I haven't played TF2, just popped out because spies are obviously sneaky/stealthy. | ||
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On June 06 2010 14:44 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Whoa whoa overreacting a little bit aren't you? Day has just begun and no one has voted for you. Trying to find very vague pointers to other people (me for example) to divert attention away from yourself also immediately after the clue was posted is highly suspect. No need to get defensive about it. I think everyone knows that clue connections are pretty weak in general, and always need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they should be pointed out. That said, Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice since he's one of the few with multiple clues pointing towards him. If I was going to vote based solely on clues, I'd be voting for either Thegilaboy or zeks. | ||
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On June 06 2010 15:16 DCLXVI wrote: Well if we hang him and he turns out to be townie, then we should hang you. It seems quite suspicious to accuse someone that quickly and try to bring down suspicion on him. At least try to list out a few possible clue connections and scum sounding posts/actions before accusing active people like that. Did you notice the part where I said "If I was going to vote based solely on clues"? And really? Try to list out a few possible clue connections? Pretty much every clue post so far has mentioned Thegilaboy. | ||
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On June 06 2010 16:03 DCLXVI wrote: Well many of the "clues" that people are making connections to I find to be far fetched. I think that trying to hang someone off the clues is a bad idea and either some stronger connections should be made or we should focus more on reading into what people say and wait for more "clues". Granted ignoring information is a bad idea, I just think that right now we could get farther by reading into what people say since they should be posting more. And by every post mentioning TheGilaBoy you mean everyone posting "DTs in his profile!" or the fortress-barricade "connection" which is about the townies, not the killer... yes really, please list a few. The only other plausible one I find is the gila monster - poison one. -Really LaXerCannon? do you just want to take the heat off you that you vote 40 hours early? What could possibly have made you make up your mind so quickly about this? I think that trying to hang someone off of clues is a bad idea as well. Good job on completely ignoring the first part of my post that you quoted, where I said "I think everyone knows that clue connections are pretty weak in general, and always need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they should be pointed out." So basically, you're agreeing with what I said while trying to thrust suspicion onto me. Wtf? Also, yes, the posts that mention clues regarding Thegilaboy mention Dark Templar. That is because Dark Templar are sneaky and kill quickly. The fact that they're sneaky and kill quickly connects them to the clues in the day 2 post. Nowhere in my post about clues did I say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him". | ||
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On June 07 2010 00:59 zeks wrote: Sorry for the lack of posting lately, was out for the whole night. Should have more time tonight. Nice to see the increase in activity from people, especially the hard work everyones been putting on clue analysis. The clue analysis actually tells us more than the clues itself. Just wanted to add that in past games the godfather has usually chosen to be a Townie or Veteran. So far we've lost 3 townies (not bad, not the best either) but if we start losing blue roles we can start pointing fingers to the elected roles. Obviously the elected roles shouldn't be given a free pass, but that doesn't mean a blue role dying has anything to do with them. There are multiple blue roles, and they probably haven't all roleclaimed to the elected roles. Even if they had, it could be pure luck on the Mafia's part to nab a blue role. | ||
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crate - Nice analysis in my opinion. Doesn't rely on clues like everyone else pretty much has so far, myself included. I agree with his opinions on both onihunter, who has struck me as pretty neutral so far, and AcrossFiveJulys, who has had clues matched up to him as well. I feel like he's pretty certainly town. Hugoboss21 - Clue linked to his TF2 spy thing, been inactive this entire game, with zero posts since Day 2 started. If we're still trying to get inactives out of the game, he's a good choice for lynching. LaXerCannon - Voted for Thegilaboy almost immediately after he was linked to clues. His reasoning was that he wanted to vote based solely on clues, which is fishy given how nebulous the clues are in general, as well as the fact that we hadn't even fleshed all the clue connections out at that point. Zyrre - Has became more active since Day 2 began. I don't agree with his interpretation of Misder being suspicious, since Misder has seemed pretty harmless so far in my opinion, but otherwise he seems like a fair minded guy. | ||
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