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Crate could be a mafia because of the speeding car clue (public profile has stuff to do with cars). MooCow could be a mafia because of the throwing knife clue (public profile has him saying that he throws tennis rackets with deadly accuracy). I haven't had time to look through all of the comments on the thread yet (still on page 9), so sorry if I already repeated stuff and whatnot. | ||
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Misder - 3 in game posts, 1 pregame, irrelevant, 1 saying flamewheel's lightning is probably not a clue (true), and 1 commenting about clues (not even a big commentary either), and dodging because he doesn't read. This was all relatively early on too - he's gone MIA as of late... interestingg... he had that phantom vote for BB as well which got counted under my name (I have no idea why lol), and didn't explain it. POST MORE PLZ. +5 Sorry about the MIA. I had an awards ceremony and also SAT. The reason why I voted for BrownBear was because I didn't really trust you or YellowInk at that time. To me, it just seemed suspicious that you guys were trying too hard and it was for personal gain (first time playing, so can't really judge what type of behavior leads to what). I don't think that anymore and I will trust you guys as our mayor/pardoner. I voted for BrownBear because as I looked on the posts, Darth and YellowInk were very ahead of everyone else, but I didn't have an opinion between the two of you, and BrownBear actually had a campaign and such, and I didn't think it would be a big impact on the decision (of course when we are deciding who we are going to kill, I realize that voting is very important). I also didn't realize that BrownBear was withdrawing xD. Misder Hint: The lack of description regarding the method used to kill BloodyC0bbler “Nothing happens in my life. The end” It couldn't be me cause everything with a lack of description would be pointed to me, but flamewheel specifically said that he is writing everything based on description. Also, there are clues pointing to his death; he died in the fountain, which points to anyone with drowning or swimming. Gilaboy has two clues pointing to him. One is the gila monster as the only poisonous lizard in US (his name) relating to the poisoned coffee (someone pointed this out already on Day 1). Then he has the mass DTs that relates to the masked figure (I think this has been said also). BurnFiveJuly also has two clues pointing to him. One is the burning the wings (his public profile) relating to the burning ink (someone pointed this out on Day 1). Then he has the weights in the gym (public profile) which relates to the weight that barth felt. All the other clues I have found have been said. | ||
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I think we should clue check the barricade clue. I new to this game to, so im not sure if clues can be hidden in the description of the people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Somehow the killer made it far enough ahead of Elyas to be sitting on the steps, waiting for him. This is despite Elyas running and the masked figure only following him before. Also, note the wording - he was "beaten" to the steps. Could indicate someone overwhelmingly winning. zeks profile has connections to winning (his quote "winning isn't everything, its the ONLY thing" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As he reached out to grab the handle, he felt a weight push against him, and he went tumbling out the window. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that this assailant, unlike any of the others before, was not seen in any way. It is simply "a weight", which when coupled with the window being opened at a sufficient height to kill Barth, could indicate this killer being some kind of "force" or supernatural being, rather than a person. Icysoul has connections to the pushing barth out of the window. "Nothing can stand in the way of overwhelming power". But don't count AcrossFiveJulys out cause he also has the "weights in gym" | ||
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I don't think double-lynching is necessary now. Why double lynch people that are inactive? Shouldn't we save it for when we know the mafia members instead? About the voting schedule. I think this could be significant. The probability of three posters voting at approximately the same time is not that high. We shouldn't lynch on this fact, but keep it in mind. At the very least, we can see who is reading the thread and who is not. @Darth I don't know why you call my posts bull. If I shouldn't be connecting clues, what should I be doing? It seems like a lot of the thread is discussing what to do, but I don't have the experience to decide what the best thing to do is. Tell me what to discuss. | ||
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Im going to MooCow instead of Thegilaboy because MooCow and TyranoS_NiveK have almost the same profile. If we can eliminate one, then if there are clues pointing to them, we know who it actually points to instead of having to decide which one. Plus, MooCow does seem a bit suspicious to me (AFJ did some analysis; I'll do some analysis myself in a seperate post if we don't lynch him) and does have clues pointing to him. Although Thegilaboy is still on my list of suspicion. If Deucegladlier is a townie, it makes people who voted for Deucegladlier and pushed for it more suspicious, especially if we find out that either Thegilaboy or MooCow is a mafia member. The mafia may be using Deucegladlier to buy time to kill more people. Of course, if Deucegladlier is a mafia, then everything is win-win. But its highly unprobable. | ||
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Its just that I would rather vote someone off that might actually be useful than some inactive that just doesn't care about the game. | ||
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@MooCow I didn't say exactly what AcrossFiveJulys said. Sure I read what he said and took it into consideration, but I'm not voting you out because you are being overly cautious; I voting you out because of the ambiguity. Maybe this isn't the best; but again, I would rather take the risk, especially since you do have clues pointing to you. | ||
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On May 30 2010 10:57 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: I would be interested in playing (and fixed up my profile accordingly). The only time where there might be a problem is that I have ARML at Penn State on the 4th/5th of June (so probably not going to have access to internet). Its already June 7th and almost end of voting. I think that someone said to cut him some slack because of the math competition, but I think that him being inactive plus creating the amiguous profile makes lynching him (if he doesn't get modkilled first) a priority. On May 30 2010 11:03 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: No it's just a math competition. I'm going to UPenn in the fall. So basically I'll be around every other day.. He even says that he will respond every other day. Maybe there is something wrong in his schedule, but I think its more beneficial if he dies. On June 03 2010 13:10 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: Right now most of the connections are tenuous at best. After reading it several times, AcrossFiveJuly's profile is pretty interesting, but I don't know how deeply you can read into it. While I like the thinking, I find connecting Incognito's characteristics to that of his (potential) mafia assassin is a bit of a stretch (unless you're saying that the mafia take after the people they kill?). I'm not too familiar with anime, so I don't feel qualified to comment on Zeks profile picture. As this being my first time playing mafia on-line, I'm pretty excited. Ok, this sounds like pro-town behavior. I don't get anything suspicious off this post. This saddens me because I don't want to advocate lynching a townie who may have problems getting on the internet. If he starts posting good analysis and whatnot, then I think it would be a hard decision between him and MooCow. On June 04 2010 07:49 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: From my limited experience playing mafia in real life, I don't know how much can carry over. From my experience in the more serious games we played, the mafia are often the ones who are desperately portraying themselves as town. Oftentimes that will lead to extremes (and often depends on the skill of the player). Mafia are generally on guard (and often have a "nervous" look that gives them away in RL). They will often aim to be very active or tend to shy back. In this online version, I can't really equate the idea of "activity" directly, but my spidey-senses are tingling. For someone that has worked so hard campaigning on mayor, to suddenly switch to be pardoner is indeed suspicious. While you do have a systematic detailed plan outlined out, I find that you're often pushing your candidacy more than your plan. Again, my intuition tells me that if you truly have faith in it, you would have no problem merely putting it out for discussion. Although I've played with "defensive townies" before, you seem to adamantly defend your innocence (often before citing "reasons"). Consequently based on the mechanics of the game, I think it's rather risky to vote you as the mayor. Since clues are limited, I can only speak from experience. I wonder if any vets can help us out on the "nature" of clues as the game goes on. Again, nothing suspicious. I think that he may be pro-town who has internet connections. But this is based on only 4 quotes. I think we need to see more activity from him. PS All my analysis is based on this ambiguity. Now, I am wondering if this is a good case to argue, because if it isn't, everything I've said is pretty useless. Someone want to comment? | ||
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Two questions to consider: Is the source reliable that told Darth? (Probably, otherwise if the real DT tells Darth, than the source would be called off) Is today's clues enough to point to 3 Lions? (I have no past experience in Mafia, and Im not sure if one day's clues is enough to point to one person. If someone can find more clues pointing to 3 Lions, I woul feel more confident in lynching him. I'll defend myself later. Can anyone explain exactly why they think Im mafia? | ||
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For anyone who wanted to see why I voted for MooCow, reread my posts. Post 781 On June 08 2010 06:27 Misder wrote: I am going to switch over to MooCow now. I don't think that Deucegladlier cares anymore as many people stated, and that he actually voted forhimself. Maybe he doesn't want to play anymore? We have already given Deucegladlier time, yet he has not responded at all. This could mean several things: 1) He doesn't care about the game and he wants to get lynched (he voted for himself and is not posted even though he has been threatened to be lynched, most probable) 2) He doesn't care about the game and wants to make it harder for the townies to kill the mafia by creating diversersion (this doesn't make as much sense...) 3) This is all a ploy by the mafia and is trying to get people like me and AFJ, etc to change the votes so that Deucegladlier, the real mafia, doesn't actually get lynched (i think this is very very unprobable) Im going to MooCow instead of Thegilaboy because MooCow and TyranoS_NiveK have almost the same profile. If we can eliminate one, then if there are clues pointing to them, we know who it actually points to instead of having to decide which one. Plus, MooCow does seem a bit suspicious to me (AFJ did some analysis; I'll do some analysis myself in a seperate post if we don't lynch him) and does have clues pointing to him. Although Thegilaboy is still on my list of suspicion. If Deucegladlier is a townie, it makes people who voted for Deucegladlier and pushed for it more suspicious, especially if we find out that either Thegilaboy or MooCow is a mafia member. The mafia may be using Deucegladlier to buy time to kill more people. Of course, if Deucegladlier is a mafia, then everything is win-win. But its highly unprobable. @LaXer 1) Ok, you disagree with me. However I believed my analysis was sound. Even so, I still asked everyone to check if everything I said was ok (again, because I am new to the game, as you stated). When I did ask, I only got one response, and that was from Darth saying that he agreed with me. Post 916 On June 08 2010 09:22 Misder wrote: PS All my analysis is based on this ambiguity. Now, I am wondering if this is a good case to argue, because if it isn't, everything I've said is pretty useless. Someone want to comment? Pg 48 On June 08 2010 10:56 DarthThienAn wrote: AFJ and Misder summed it up pretty well in recent posts. I mostly agree with them. 2) Starred points: On June 10 2010 13:41 LaXerCannon wrote: Post # 649** + Show Spoiler + -Excuse for inactivity : awards ceremony + SAT -Justified voting for Brownbear because he did not trust DTA or YellowInk -CLAIMS TO BE HIS FIRST TIME PLAYING as a way to justify not knowing what type of behavior leads to what and yet knew that the lightning clue is irrelevant -connects Gilaboy to the gila monster and poisoned coffee -connects AcrossFiveJuly (blue) to burning wings and burning ink and weights in the gym -most are reposts This is my first time playing; you guys can go through the records and all that. However, in the beginning of the thread, people suggested to take a look at all the other mafia games. Admittedly, I was too lazy to read through the 100+ pgs, and read only the "Important Posts" that the mods write up. I did not read through the behavior and such, which leads to my lack of understanding of behavior, although I did read enough to see that flamewheel has been struck by lightning every time. On June 10 2010 13:41 LaXerCannon wrote: Post # 779* + Show Spoiler + -Justifies his choice to lynch DeuceGladlier. Defends Thegilaboy and starts suspecting the people who voted for him I think you starred this because it was my analysis. I'll repost it here for convenience. I think the post speaks for itself. On June 07 2010 12:07 Misder wrote: I leaning towards voting to lynch Deucegladlier. I don't think we should lynch anyone based on only two days worth of clues (kind of hypocritical of me cause I was pointing fingers at Thegilaboy and AcrossFiveJulys). Some of the clues that people are sugesting pointing at Thegilaboy are pretty weak, and although they really might be clues to Thegilaboy, we should see if any other clues point to him before lynching him. At least Thegilaboy is contributing to the thread (although im still suspicious of him). Also, the people that have voted for Thegilaboy have clues pointing to them. Seems suspicious. I don't think double-lynching is necessary now. Why double lynch people that are inactive? Shouldn't we save it for when we know the mafia members instead? About the voting schedule. I think this could be significant. The probability of three posters voting at approximately the same time is not that high. We shouldn't lynch on this fact, but keep it in mind. At the very least, we can see who is reading the thread and who is not. @Darth I don't know why you call my posts bull. If I shouldn't be connecting clues, what should I be doing? It seems like a lot of the thread is discussing what to do, but I don't have the experience to decide what the best thing to do is. Tell me what to discuss. (This was before the bandwagon and before I saw that clue analysis was extremely helpful early game and behavior inspection is) The last starred quote was the first quote I quoted (my analysis on switching to MooCow) 3) I thought I posted a lot after Day 2... @The only thing stopping you from thinking I'm mafia is the lack of clues: Then why lynch Deuce? There seems to be no strong clues pointing to him? | ||
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Onihunter is mafia: YAY!!! And Darth's source is most likely town. (most likely, esp. after not even attempting to save himself) Onihunter is townie: ... At least we know we will lynch Darth's source. (did he just give up on the game?) Onihunter is blue: WTF is happening to this game?!!?! I'm also voting double lynch for the fact that if onihunter is a townie, then we can lynch Darth's source and the next person that is most likely mafia. If Onihunter is mafia, I think there are enough targets to hit anyways. One thing to consider: Is it possible this is all a ploy? Maybe both onihunter and Darth's sources are both mafia. Since KP rounds up, onihunter dying doesn't reduce KP. And Darth's source is free of suspicion because everyone will think town. Even if we find all the other mafia, we won't suspect the source, and there will always be one KP. I don't know if this is a viable strat for the mafia, but its something to consider. | ||
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Post 56: Summary: Signing up Importance: nothing important Post 114: Summary: Telling everyone glhf Importance: nothing important Post 127: Summary: Realization of Excel Importance: nothing important Post 238: Summary: Says reading and sleeping Importance: First sign of being up to date, but needs to find time to post Post 294: Summary: -Doesn't understand why everyone is worked up about the "hot ink" clue pointing to Yellowink because Day 1 -Goes through each of the canidates for the mayoral election (Yellowink- says should cluecheck "hot ink"; Zek- doesn't agree on plan because flawed rolechecking system; Darth- played a game with him before, says pro-town atitude, no clues pointing) -Candidacy for Pardoner (he says he would help confirm townies and save them if needed; says that he is not SCUM, is a townie, has played mafia before, no clues pointing) Importance: -Good that he understands how the game works -Wants to be a key player in this mafia game -Aligned with Darth; disagree with zeks -Suggests he is pro-town Post 297: Summary: Says he was in another mafia game Importance: None Post 301: Summary: Advocates that mafia should have a spot in either the mayor or pardoner Importance: Suggests pro-town Post 322: Summary: Defends himself about another mafia game Importance: None Post 323: Summary: Tells YellowInk that he doesn't need to try so hard - Wants time to post Importance: Wants the pardoner role - Neutral post Post 332: Summary: Defends himself from YI - Talks about he "Finger of Shame" - shouldn't point fingers in Day 1 - Reread zeks posts, and doesn't think it is scummy - Doesn't understand why YI says that hes making the town less active - Admits he didn't know that zeks is not new - Points out contridiction in YI - Shows how it would be easy to tell who the mafia is if a bandwagon occurs for him Importance: - He really wants the role - He also believes what he is doing is the right thing To be continued I guess. Its past 2AM and I'm soo tired lol. For a quick analysis, I think BrownBear is either green or blue. One thing to note: About half of his posts are in Day 1 trying to get votes. The rest seemed to be spread out. I will look into it more. | ||
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Post 1114 [spoiler] On June 09 2010 12:51 LaXerCannon wrote: [spoiler]Suspects: TheGilaboy - I don't think I should say anymore about him :S Hugoboss21 + Show Spoiler + I've been considering this connection since the very first day post. His profile includes the fact that he loves playing medic & SPY in TF2. Now I've only played TF2 for max 5 minutes at a friends house so I had to do some research (please correct me if there are any facts i'm ignorant to). Here are some points I found regarding the spy from team fortress 2: -You can't use a weapon when you're cloaked. This would be able to connect to the three deaths (BloodyC0bbler, ElyAs, PyroMa5ta) or BEP for short. BEP didn't notice that they were being followed until the murder decided to kill. Especially in Pyr0ma5ta's case the mafia didn't stun before revealing himself. Instead he revealed himself and then stunned. -Your body briefly glows as your team's color when fading in and out of invisibility as a spy and that will give you away if seen removing your cloak. This is probably how BEP noticed that they were being followed. -The spy in team fortress has a masked like the mask figure in ElyAs' death. -One of his weapons is an Electro Sapper which could be what he threw at Pyr0Ma5ta. Then again, you can't really get anything use it on an enemy character in the game. I still don't think this is good enough to point a finger at him as I can't explain his weight or his ability to beat ElyAs in running despite his weight. Misder + Show Spoiler + Nothing Happens in my life. The end. -Kinda reminds me of AcrossFiveJuly's death You can probably tell I got really lazy after the first too :S I'm going to go off to bed now. One final note: I like littlechava's survival of the fittest clue! I didn't catch that D= So he's suspicious of Gilaboy, Hugoboss21, and Misder (me...), so any one of these (except me of course; I've defended myself), could be in the mafia. [spoiler] Post 1193 On June 10 2010 13:41 LaXerCannon wrote: Misder Post # 184 + Show Spoiler + points out the irrelevance of the lightning clue in day 1 Post # 270 + Show Spoiler + -Connects the printer clue with Yellowink, Crate to speeding car, MooCow (green) with throwing knife ; all clues that can be examined with a quick skim of profiles. -Announced he didn't finish reading the thread yet Post # 649** + Show Spoiler + -Excuse for inactivity : awards ceremony + SAT -Justified voting for Brownbear because he did not trust DTA or YellowInk -CLAIMS TO BE HIS FIRST TIME PLAYING as a way to justify not knowing what type of behavior leads to what and yet knew that the lightning clue is irrelevant -connects Gilaboy to the gila monster and poisoned coffee -connects AcrossFiveJuly (blue) to burning wings and burning ink and weights in the gym -most are reposts Post # 654 + Show Spoiler + -Corrects the above post Post # 677 + Show Spoiler + -Calls AcrossFiveJulys out for dodging accusations -proposes an idea: dts should check the barricade clue -reiterates that he's new to this game -connects zek and Icysoul(blue) to clues Post # 779* + Show Spoiler + -Justifies his choice to lynch DeuceGladlier. Defends Thegilaboy and starts suspecting the people who voted for him Post # 781 + Show Spoiler + -asks to see if Deucegladlier will reach the minimum requirements to survive; proposes to switch to Thegilaboy Post #898* + Show Spoiler + -switches to moocow -proposes several scenarios to the current situation -justifies not voting for Thegilaboy because MooCow and TyranoS_Nivek have the same profile. Post #899 + Show Spoiler + -asks how to find a specific post Post #911 + Show Spoiler + -labels TyranoS_NiveK as more suspicious but keeps vote on MooCow to "get rid of an ambiguous case" instead of getting rid of an inactive Post #912 + Show Spoiler + -Continues above by saying Deuce doesn't have any clues pointing at him + Show Spoiler + Post #1016 + Show Spoiler + "Crap. Im going to be really pissed off is deuce is actually mafia. That would have been my third and least likely outcome that I posted. All that analysis for nothing..." Post #1138 + Show Spoiler + -questions the reliability of DTA's source -considers that there are not enough clues pointing at 3 lions Overall I disagree with a lot of things Misder has said over the course of this game. Namely, his justification for voting for MooCow (get rid of one so that we can tell them apart), and checking the barricade clue on TheGilaBoy when there are stronger connections. Most of his analysis were reposts and his lack of posts doesn't deliver enough substance to give a good read on him. I would definitely say he's leaning on the mafia side. However, I can't link any solid clues to him and that makes me uneasy. With 1192 posts (this one SHOULD be 1193 but then again, it's been a while since I've refreshed the page), each person should be posting roughly 35-40 posts. Misder has 16. I hope he posts more in the future; I do understand though that there are real life obligations we have to take care of. Overall: He's leaning on the mafia side for me, the only thing deterring me from voting for him is the lack of clues on him. P.S. Speaking of real life obligations, my high school prom is coming up this Friday - I definitely will be away. I might post a bit on Saturday if I'm not dead tired but I've got an orchestral performance @8PM (on the day after prom  )and I'm not sure how late it'll go to.This post was written for analysis on me. I have already defended against them. I already know that I am not mafia, so this is could be a strategic choice by the mafia for you guys lynching against me. I'll defend myself again if you guys believe I'm the mafia. [spoiler] Post 1104 On June 09 2010 12:22 LaXerCannon wrote: Pyr0ma5ta + Show Spoiler + However, he failed to notice that somebody was pursuing him as he made his way back home. -Stalking clue again; in the many ways the mafia could confront his victim, the word choice is really bugging me. Thrice now have we had a victim being followed. It was the case with BloodyC0bbler and ElyAs and now pyr0ma5ta as well. Before he could withdraw the gun though, something flew through the air, blinding pyr0ma5ta as it hit him in the face. -Flash bomb? This sounds like a physical weapon so lasers are out. As he clawed at the suffocating object, it released an electrical shock that brought pyr0ma5ta to his knees. -Oh so it's a taser now? The last thing pyr0ma5ta would hear was the sound of his killer's heavy breathing. -The guy's fat or very unfit to be panting heavily while pyr0ma5ta showed no sign of being tired AcrossFiveJuly's + Show Spoiler + By the end of the night AcrossFiveJuly’s had no idea who stabbed him, but he was left dead all the same. -not many clues left behind here! -AcrossFiveJuly was unable to find the mafia -he died without knowing who killed him -he got stabbed Getting clues from Day 2. This could signify hes on to something here. To me, it just seems like the mafia is making a strategic move against me. Im ready to defend myself. Of course, they could have just guessed that he was a bodygaurd... | ||
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