confirm, was going to post earlier but ended up going out and getting pretty wasted so going to lay down drink water and watch house until the desire to move hits me. I'll post properly later on mainly wanted to confirm.

I personally think LaL is not great neccesarily as it is strategically limiting although I can't see it being overly applicable this game given the set up//ups.

XeliN

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April 25 2010 19:29 GMT

#74

crescentia is your vote on Abenson serious and because you actually suspect he might be mafia because of his suggestion or more like a placeholder for now?

XeliN

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April 25 2010 20:59 GMT

#82

Abenson it seems fairly self explanatory that if someone claims DT and submits to town the name of someone he claims if Red and it then transpires that person is townie that we lynch the DT claimer. There are no Masons in this game so there is no opportunity for a DT to put a townie forwards as a Scum candidate. As I said this is all self-explanatory though, we don't really need to discuss this although tbh there is not a huge ammount to discuss at this point in the game, I would like to hear cresentia outline exactly why he voted for you though.

XeliN

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April 25 2010 21:00 GMT

#83

Was one step away from editing then so it read more clearly, habits are hard to break ^^

XeliN

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April 26 2010 00:36 GMT

#90

I don't think that Abenson is likely, or more likely than anyone else, to be mafia simply from his LaL posting. It does seem to be something that is fairly pointless and somewhat meaningless although it's not like you can argue he used it to divert discussion or direct focus away from something else because hardly anything has been discussed at this point.

XeliN

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April 26 2010 00:37 GMT

#91

For now I would propose lynching the least active person, although this is only in the case where someone has posted like 1-2 posts or not at all, if everyone in the game is reasonably active then currently I would be down for lynching someone randomly.

XeliN

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April 26 2010 05:53 GMT

#104

Looks like he is going to get the majority votes and it seems unlikely that people would be up for random lynching someone so to save some time so I'll vote: Abenson too.

XeliN

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April 26 2010 06:09 GMT

#106

Johnny this is the beggining of the game, I agree with the reasons others listed, his LaL discussion was pushed way too much and pretty much substanceless and his defence was to accuse the two people immediately of being scum simply for voting for him, quite frankly he seems like the best person to go with.

XeliN

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April 26 2010 06:42 GMT

#109

I was going to vote straight after I saw Abenson immediately accuse cresentia and Korynne of being mafia, I found their voting rather abrupt but there is no way you can immediately jump to the conclusion they are scum because of that as there was reasoning behind it, I decided not to and then on seeing that my vote would be a decider thought I would cut to the chase, I would rather have voted an inactive or voted randomly, even though Abenson had presented some unuseful ideas and defended himself poorly but 4 people had voted him already. Bar someone accidently posting their PM confirming them as mafia it didn't seem likely that we would end up with anything other than No Lynch or Abenson being lynched and I am impatient.

XeliN

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April 26 2010 07:28 GMT

#117

Johnny the way your posting seems quite susicious to me atm but I'll refrain from posting until Abensons role is flipped.

XeliN

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April 26 2010 07:30 GMT

#119

sorry I posted at a time before I saw you had put up the nightpost, originally wrote quite a long post and was trying to phrase it right but then decided to hold backspace and put the post above.

XeliN

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April 27 2010 06:24 GMT

#125

There seems like a fair ammount to discuss at this point although I'd rather someone else kick things off, just to say I wanted to double check something with bill and he clarified that only blue roles will be notified on a roleblock so essentially if you were roleblocked do not say anything, at least at this stage, as it basically telling the mafia you have a blue role.

XeliN

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April 27 2010 07:24 GMT

#127

I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum.

XeliN

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April 27 2010 07:28 GMT

#128

I disagree with your Johnny analysis, although you did outline that his popping up to cast suspision was in itself suspicious. I think the way he went about it was fairly suspect, instead of questioning people (Me and Brown I think it was) as to why they voted the way they did, he instead made a blanket statement to the town that he considered it very suspicious, this to me seems somewhat consistent with how scum may act as they are interested with creating discord and suspicion amongst the town.

Not entirely sure if inactivity can be emphasised much at this point but I would like to see RoL and Hobbes get involved.

XeliN

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April 27 2010 08:00 GMT

#131

I agree entirely on the inactivity bit, my point in saying i wasn't sure if it can be emphasised at this point is in regard to peoples activity in the past, from now onward obviously it becomes far more of an issue as there is actually quite alot to discuss and think about now.

I have absolutely no regret in the way I voted, Abenson was clearly going to be lynched anyway, I could see no situation whatsoever whereby another person would have been voted for and so it was a case of either lynching Abenson or having a no lynch. Possibly I should have held off just to allow more time for people to post and create a better feel of the people in the game mut meh...

I said I wanted to lynch the inactive player but as stated it was obvious to me the choice was Abenson or no lynch. I do not consider you as suspicious as johnny although even with him it is only because of the way he went about voicing his suspicions, and then the post where he Bolded some of what I wrote and responded reeked of trying to cast suspicion without substance. I'll address that post directly if people feel i need to although on the matter of how I voted I have explained my position fully currently so it would just be repetition. Actually screw it.. I already have a vote on me so appears i have to rush into defence mode.

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On April 26 2010 16:12 johnnyspazz wrote:
On April 26 2010 15:42 XeliN wrote:
I was going to vote straight after I saw Abenson immediately accuse cresentia and Korynne of being mafia,
you realize abenson never really accused them of being scum right?

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that is hardly accusing d3 and korynne of being scum

On April 26 2010 11:06 Abenson wrote:

Too lazy to post other posts

So to sum it up:
Korynne and d3: You're scum, I'm voting for you

Everyone else: Hmm... We'll think about it.

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On April 26 2010 16:12 johnnyspazz wrote:

I found their voting rather abrupt but there is no way you can immediately jump to the conclusion they are scum because of that as there was reasoning behind it, I decided not to
this makes no sense, which "they" are you referring to? are you saying "their" votes could've seemed scummy if it didn't have any reasoning but since it did have reasoning, you decided not to vote for "them"? almost everyone's reason to lynch abenson have been really poor. or are you saying you held off on voting for abenson? i'm really trying to understand what you are saying.

The "they" was referring to cresentia and Korynne

then on seeing that my vote would be a decider thought I would cut to the chase,
are you admitting you're mafia and since you knew abenson would turn green and help you win, you decided to vote for him?

This is a meaningless accusation as far as I can tell so errm Yes? No? What were you hoping to achieve by writing this?

I would rather have voted an inactive or voted randomly, even though Abenson had presented some unuseful ideas and defended himself poorly but 4 people had voted him already.
what are you trying to say? this barely makes any sense as well. if you would rather vote randomly/inactive, then why didn't you wait? your reasons for voting are also really bad. are you trying to say you killed abenson because other people thought he was detrimental to the town's win? btw, abenson only presented one idea, and that was to start discussion sine no one else was posting.

Seeing as apparently what I was trying to say was unclear I'll number it.

1) Abenson had 4 votes
2) I saw 2 options, either Abenson would be lynched or there would be No Lynch, at this point in my mind there was no possibility of someone else being lynched as Abenson already had 4 votes on him.
3)I had a choice of voting or waiting, I decided to just go ahead and vote.

I voted Abenson because he was both the only possibly person to be lynched on day 1 and he had shown himself to not be very helpful. I would not have done it had he not already had 4 votes but hey my dream of lynching an inactive or someone randomly was not to be.

Bar someone accidently posting their PM confirming them as mafia it didn't seem likely that we would end up with anything other than No Lynch or Abenson being lynched and I am impatient.
day ends in eight hours, how are you that impatient? it didn't seem like we would get any other scenario because people like you just jump on bandwagons instead of discussing.

How am I that impatient? I just am, often I have played mafia games where I am simply waiting for things to happen. You say I jumped on the bandwagon which I most certainly did but only because as I have said, it was the only wagon that was going to be travelling through town that day.

XeliN

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April 27 2010 12:18 GMT

#134

Said the catholic priest to the choir boy...

XeliN

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April 27 2010 21:29 GMT

#141

Ah, I think you're right johnny, he phrased it weirdly and at the time seemed like he was just accusing them of being mafia, what is your response to my justification//explanation of the thought process behind my voting? considering it is my voting (and the way it seemed to contradict with things I had written earlier) that seems to be the main argument for me being potential mafia.

I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well.