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On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote: Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL What does it mean? Lynch All Liars This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something. Your thoughts? i think this is generally a good idea but it can't be applied for all cases. blues roles sometimes need to lie to protect themselves. we could easily lynch a detective or medic cause they lied so that mafia wouldn't hit them at night. lets get the ball rolling in this game. | ||
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On April 25 2010 22:00 Radfield wrote: Johnnyspazz, can you give me an example where in this setup one of our blue roles would have a reason to lie to avoid getting hit by mafia, and possibly get caught in that lie. obviously you lynch stupid scummy players who lie but i was thinking like if a blue role was going to be mistakenly lynched, if he just straight up roleclaims in the thread to avoid getting lynched, then the mafia is just going to hit him at night. i agree with you that a dt has no reason to lie about his checks, but i feel like he needs to lie about his role to prevent getting hit at night under certain circumstances. i guess there are minor lies and major lies and i interpreted wrongly LaL as lynching anyone if they lie even if its a minor lie. | ||
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i think we were way too quick to lynch someone without a real discussion. while the LaL discussion is pretty dumb, i think we still could've waited longer for more discussion from every player. right now my FoS is on xelin and brownbear | ||
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On April 26 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote: I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you. yeah i think when radfield said this, he meant posting more not voting right away | ||
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On April 26 2010 09:37 XeliN wrote: For now I would propose lynching the least active person, although this is only in the case where someone has posted like 1-2 posts or not at all, if everyone in the game is reasonably active then currently I would be down for lynching someone randomly. On April 26 2010 14:53 XeliN wrote: Looks like he is going to get the majority votes and it seems unlikely that people would be up for random lynching someone so to save some time so I'll vote: Abenson too. these two posts seem contradictory in my opinion. you're like advocating discussion and waiting until we get more activity in the game before you decide who to vote for but then you abruptly vote for abenson just because he's one vote away from dying? hobbes vote was straight up bandwagoning and like i said earlier, brownbear's justification of his vote makes no sense whatsoever and seems very scummy. how can you agree with the reasons that those two listed and then straight up vote? yes, abenson isn't really good at defending himself but to me it seems like a regular knee-jerk townie reaction to getting a lot of votes. | ||
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I was going to vote straight after I saw Abenson immediately accuse cresentia and Korynne of being mafia, you realize abenson never really accused them of being scum right? On April 26 2010 11:04 Abenson wrote: that is hardly accusing d3 and korynne of being scumPeople who voted for me: d3 and Korynne From what I see (and from my point view), you tried to start a lynch on me, but stopped as everyone else spoke out against it. scum-signs? :D I found their voting rather abrupt but there is no way you can immediately jump to the conclusion they are scum because of that as there was reasoning behind it, I decided not to this makes no sense, which "they" are you referring to? are you saying "their" votes could've seemed scummy if it didn't have any reasoning but since it did have reasoning, you decided not to vote for "them"? almost everyone's reason to lynch abenson have been really poor. or are you saying you held off on voting for abenson? i'm really trying to understand what you are saying. then on seeing that my vote would be a decider thought I would cut to the chase, are you admitting you're mafia and since you knew abenson would turn green and help you win, you decided to vote for him? I would rather have voted an inactive or voted randomly, even though Abenson had presented some unuseful ideas and defended himself poorly but 4 people had voted him already. what are you trying to say? this barely makes any sense as well. if you would rather vote randomly/inactive, then why didn't you wait? your reasons for voting are also really bad. are you trying to say you killed abenson because other people thought he was detrimental to the town's win? btw, abenson only presented one idea, and that was to start discussion sine no one else was posting. Bar someone accidently posting their PM confirming them as mafia it didn't seem likely that we would end up with anything other than No Lynch or Abenson being lynched and I am impatient. day ends in eight hours, how are you that impatient? it didn't seem like we would get any other scenario because people like you just jump on bandwagons instead of discussing. | ||
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On April 26 2010 11:06 Abenson wrote: Too lazy to post other posts So to sum it up: Korynne and d3: You're scum, I'm voting for you Everyone else: Hmm... We'll think about it. Xelin, i am pretty sure this is abenson paraphrasing korynne and d3's posts | ||
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On April 28 2010 01:32 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: On the topic of Abenson, I stand by the lynch, as we now have more info to discuss, and we don't have to deal with the entire freaking thread being people offering their viewpoints on LAL instead of just saying we have more info, please share it with the rest of us | ||
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On April 26 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote: I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you. i'm not really sure why mafia killed radfield but this is the only post i could find where he attacks people. i would like brownbear and hobbes to talk about why they voted for abenson. On April 27 2010 16:24 XeliN wrote: I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum. while this is true, did you truly think abenson was scum when you voted? in a small game without extra blue roles, lynching is our only way to kill mafia so we don't want to waste lynches. imo, it's better to keep obvious greens alive because it's one more person the mafia have to use a kp on. | ||
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On April 28 2010 06:29 XeliN wrote: Ah, I think you're right johnny, he phrased it weirdly and at the time seemed like he was just accusing them of being mafia, what is your response to my justification//explanation of the thought process behind my voting? considering it is my voting (and the way it seemed to contradict with things I had written earlier) that seems to be the main argument for me being potential mafia. I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well. in any other game, i would've probably also voted for abenson but since this is such a small game, i didn't. i just feel like you rushed your vote. atleast you are explaining yourself and looking more green to me. brownbear and hobbes on the other hand need to start talking. Vote: BrownBear | ||
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On April 28 2010 01:32 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: I will try to be more active today, but this game is pretty inactive in general right now. the only reason this game is inactive is because people like you are used to skating by in big games where 70% of the posts are made by veterans. you need to start reading closely and sharing your opinions instead of whining about the activity. it's funny to me that people think posting stuff like this will magically get the game going. | ||
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in my mind abenson was an obvious green and thats why i didn't vote for him. his posts weren't particularly scummy to me. your vote while partially justified also confuses me because all abenson did was bring up an underlying point in all mafia games. | ||
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On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote: umm... did you read her post? d3 didn't just say, "brownbear, your analysis sucks." she poked many holes in brownbear's defense and specified exactly what was "wrong" with it. is this a pathetic attempt at trying to get the suspicion off your scum teammate?However, I agree with you that browns analysis does seem really lacking, but from what I know of you, you would highlight this, explain how how he is wrong in his reasoning and possibly place FoS because of it. Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger. On April 28 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote: LaL is only stupid if you use extreme examples to counter it. LaL is how every single mafia game should be played since nine times out of ten, the mafia players are lying. how can anyone say lynching liars is a bad thing? your defense is just plain awful; you make so many bad points. d3 has already pointed some of them out for me.I liked the LaL policy at first, but then I thought about it seriously, and yeah, it's pretty dumb. i wouldn't be surprised if both xelin and brownbear are both scum. right now, all of their posts reek of scum. can we lynch these two already? | ||
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On April 28 2010 15:35 XeliN wrote: Johnny I am not making a big deal, I have given no information whatsoever as to my role and cresentia still is labouring under the delusion that I have and it is irritating, especially since it is unlike 'her?' On your second point I did read the post, I am simply saying that this reaction: Seemed off, and is not consistent with how I have seen cresentia play in the past. And once again you have posted something fundamentally meaningless yet suspicion casting "I wouldn't be suprised if both xelin and brownbear are both scum, all their posts reek of scum. can we lynch these two already?" How useful of you to cast suspicion and say my, well our, posting reeks of scum without explaining what you mean at all or providing any form of argument as to why you say that. You have now numerous times this game tried to cast suspiscion without actually providing much if any form of reasoned analysis to my knowledge you have not provided one coherent argument against me that I have not explained, and sure I could be lying but you have just let it drop and are not continuing to analyse. If you think I am scum, address my explanation and reasoning, outline why the way I am posting is suspicious to you, compare styles with past games. Casting suspision without substance is exactly the type of thing that is beneficial to the mafia if they can get away with it, if you are actually town stop doing so and clearly outline your reasons when you try to label people and if your mafia, well don't expect to get away with it. just to clear things up, i dont even know if it's a him or her or whatever, from now on ill just their name. 1) why does d3's vote seem off to you at all? d3 simply voted before he typed his reasoning. can you explain to me how this is not how d3 usually plays? because it seems like pretty normal play to me. you obviously read his vote and then this reasoning since they were both before you posted this gem: Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger. please go into further detail why voting and then explaining your reasoning for voting makes d3 look suspicious.2) i agree with you on the night action point after rereading the posts more carefully. yes, you are not making it a big deal. i can understand why d3 wrote that because your responses can be interpreted that way. but answer my question, why not just simply say that you have no night action? i see no harm in saying that. 3) if you think voicing my suspicions in the game is a bad thing and anti-town play, then i guess we have to agree to disagree. also, you need to stop saying that i just cast FoS's on people without any reason cause that's just a straight up lie. you need to reread my posts more closely if you think that all my accusations are just i cast suspicions without reason. 4) comparing styles from the current game to previous games is in my opinion a complete waste of time because any good mafia player knows that you need to always stay unpredictable to win. i'm just going to give the benefit of the doubt to the players in this game and pretend there is nothing of interest in comparing past play styles. i don't not waste my time analyzing their past play styles when i can just analyze their current playstyle. | ||
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On April 28 2010 15:49 Korynne wrote: However since my vote would lead to L-1, I am refraining from doing so in case mafia jumps the last vote. you need to stop using this as an excuse to vote because it's very easy to catch mafia jumping on bandwagons to lynch innocent townies in a small game such as this. right now i see your hesitation to vote as a red who's trying not to get attention drawn to him or herself. you were so eager to vote for abenson so i really don't understand why you are so hesitant to vote. is it because i called out the quick votes on abenson as scum behavior and you don't want the same label used on you? | ||
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On April 28 2010 01:32 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: My posts were about the Abenson lynch because, as I said in one of my posts, the vast majority of the thread was at the time discussing either the Abenson lynch or Abenson's ideas. I will try to be more active today, but this game is pretty inactive in general right now. On the topic of Abenson, I stand by the lynch, as we now have more info to discuss, and we don't have to deal with the entire freaking thread being people offering their viewpoints on LAL i love it when people flat out lie. hey! lets lynch this mofo since we're doing LaL, right??? | ||
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What now? If I vote for one of them you're going to accuse me of being scum because I'll be the 3rd or 4th person to vote for them? Seems like I can't win here with you (and I don't intend to, it's a pretty poor accusation). i guess choice of words were too strong. i'm not really saying you are scum at all, just saying in my opinion, not voting in this situation seems like scummy behavior. an actual red could just be lurking and waiting for 3 votes onto a green and then cast the decisive vote and skate by with another mislynch. can you see why i thought not voting looked like scummy behavior? there is a lot of information that one could use to cast a vote. you're right tho, i forgot about your spirit vote on xelin a couple pages back. so i apologize for misinterpreting your actions. i really wasn't accusing you of being scum, only bb and xelin. i hope we're still cool.  | ||
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