TL Mafia XX

On March 11 2010 01:17 Zona wrote:
Looks like the game's started - we have to scrutinize the people who run for elections very closely.

On March 11 2010 03:36 Vivi57 wrote:
ok, with this format the detective should roleclaim and get elected as mayor. The second dt can check him on n1 to make sure he's legit. Yes, this leaves some possibility of gf getting mayor as a dt, but we should be able to see through fake role checks soon enough.

With a dt as mayor, we can amass a large group of confirmed townies and use that to win. Ignore anything ace says about lynching all claimers, this move is too powerful to ignore.

On March 11 2010 12:28 Iaaan wrote:
I would just like everyone to know that I have nothing to contribute at the moment, except that I agree with citi.zen that L should just roleclaim cause he will probably get killed anyway if he doesn't get elected and isn't mafia+we can hold him accountable if he does get elected, and that nemY likes men.

On March 11 2010 14:08 L wrote:
1) I didn't claim shit. Other people claimed for me and if you bothered to read I said they're not entirely correct.

2) ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL DAY ONE PM CLAIMS. THIS SHIT IS OFF THE CHAIN.

On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote:
Not really.

It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too.

The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game.

The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play.

That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad.

If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim.

That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town.

On March 13 2010 06:45 Incognito wrote:


Unless the DT is telling other people about it too, you'd think a DT for GF trade is good, no?

On March 13 2010 15:33 Zona wrote:
I would like to call out L, nemY, and Bloodycobbler for voting for d3_crescentia.

Not being allowed to abstain in votes is a huge plus for town members as votes reveal information that can be used to evaluate a player later in the game.

Yet the three of you subvert that by essentially abstaining by voting for someone who has basically not participated in the game so far. Explain yourselves - why can you not commit to helping the town by leaving a paper trail of your opinion?

On March 15 2010 12:48 Incognito wrote:
Important Announcement:

Foolishness. Yes, I haven't posted recently. Its the weekend, so I'm a little busier than usual. I have been around for the past few hours though. So yes I'm active. Yes it may look shady. But quite frankly, I'm disappointed and frustrated that every time I make a post in thread, I am ignored. Completely. Its not the mafia's fault, its the townies faults. So I have taken my activity and moved it into pm land.

A bunch of you have been responding to my pms thinking that I am just trying to fish for mafia. While that is a component of pms, it is not the only component. So stop being defensive about pms and thinking that I am accusing you. Answer the questions, and hopefully we can have a good discussion in private.

Why this switch? Because if I'm active in the thread and everyone ignores me, that is not useful activity. An everyone does ignore me. Every time I ask people to step up and explain something, nobody responds. Why is this? Because when people are addressed as a group, nobody feels that they are responsible, so nobody feels the need to respond. This has been shown in things like emergency response. So tying back into the game, when I point out an accusation, the mafia don't need to respond if nobody responds. They can just sit back and watch while the game stagnates. If they responded every time, it would attract unnecessary and unwanted attention.

So pms are better because it singles people out and makes them more inclined to respond. Makes them more willing to share their thoughts and feelings about the game, because they don't know who else is responding. As has been proven in the past, inactivity allows the mafia to hide. But how do the mafia know if its safe to hide? By observing the fact that other townies are also being inactive.

When I start a discussion with you in pms, you don't know if other people are active or not, so you feel the need to respond to not look suspicious. I get frustrated when townies don't want to cooperate and decide that its better to defend themselves when I ask simple questions. So if you're town, don't be afraid to talk to me in pms. I can't clear your name if you don't say anything or provide meaningful discussion. When I pm you its not like I'm accusing you of being mafia. Its that I want quiet people who are innocent to be inclined to prove their innocence, leaving me with a smaller pool of people to look at. Its that I want the mafia to be forced into talking for fear that everyone else is doing the same thing.

In conclusion, yes, pms are helpful to catch the mafia. But no, if you are town, you do not need to act uber defensive. I am not pming you just because I think you're mafia. I am pming you because I need more information if I am to determine your innocence. So please cooperate and allow me to help this town. Thank you.