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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-24 21:10:37
January 22 2010 10:58 GMT
#1
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www.livestream.com/pholon

Announcement



With 2 more days til showtime, it's time to announce the players and to bust out some polls!
First, an additional rule we'd like to install:
# If the TL-submitted handicap has not come up yet, it will be enforced in the final game for a complete victory.




Players:

To those selected, please be in channel TL-Arena a bit before the designated time and whisper to Julmust or Pholon so we know you're there. If you play make sure you have Antihack on. If you lag we find a reserve. Those picked as reserves may step up if people don't show up. If they also fail to show we start going down the list of people who left their ID in the announcement topic. Additionally, the same procedure is used if the Team Melee handicap is picked.
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  • [image loading] [image loading] MeGaMeRc D+ // [image loading] DA]Orgine C+
          reserves: 1. Teh_Mentalist D+ // 2. TerranYouApart D
  • [image loading] [image loading] Trozz D+ //
    [image loading]
    Deconduo D // [image loading] peacenl D
          reserves: 1. ore.sama C- // 2. dsyxelic C-
  • [image loading] [image loading] Konata.Izumi C // [image loading] HeyMister C-
          reserves: 1. 200orBust D+ // 2. Big_pipes D
  • R [image loading] Brontosaurex D+





Handicaps


A few changes were made to the original batch:
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  • No Scourge
  • Max 2 creep evolves
  • No Nydus canals
  • Extractorcap (3)
  • Townhallcap (4)

  • Burrow before Lair
  • Double tech (pool exempt)
  • No consume
  • No carapace ups

  • Team Melee
  • No Minimap
  • Fail placement
  • Kill ini worker
  • TL-submission x3



TL-submissions
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Trying to keep this in proper TL-submission style I've named all the submissions (thx for raising the bar Alur!! >_< ). Some are combinations of several suggestions.

Slowvermind - No speed upgrades are allowed. Exempt are Overlord because:

Underlords - No Ovie upgrades

Sleeveless - No tricks (Muta stack, hold Lurker, Drone drill, Gas tricks, Glitching)

Whereto?! - No rally points

We don't sell Broodwar here - No Broodwar units (Lurkers, Devourers)

Queens! - Need 3 Queens before Hive

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Poll: Handicap?
(Vote): Slowvermind
(Vote): Underlords
(Vote): Sleeveless
(Vote): Whereto?!
(Vote): No Broodwar
(Vote): Queens!







Maps
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Geometry - submission by Alur
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Map from 2007. Heavy Terran over Zerg map (12-3) and mostly used for TvTs.

Chrystallized - submission by Imperator
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One of the Blizzard-made maps. No gas directly available and the bases are Islanded by Mineral formations.

Agnidev - submission by Konadora
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Map made by Kona himself. No balance tests that I'm aware of, but it looks pretty decent.

Korhal of Ceres - submission by yarg
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Old map (2004) with really cool pathing concepts. Terran over Zerg with almost 80%.


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Poll: Map?
(Vote): Geometry
(Vote): Chrystallized
(Vote): Agnidev
(Vote): Korhal of Ceres




Cya on Sunday!
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-26 00:08:12
January 22 2010 10:58 GMT
#2
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Poll: How many wins can Inc get?
(Vote): 0 LOL
(Vote): 1 or 2
(Vote): 3, 4, maybe 5
(Vote): 6 or 7
(Vote): All 8!



Arena FAQ

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Why wasn't I picked to play? D:<
I make a numbered list of people as they come in. When it's complete I have my TI-83 pick 8 random numbers and those players get in. It's fair this way.
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Seriously though, you'll let me in right? ;D
No.
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Aw cmon, I'll be your best friend :D
I cannot be bribed.
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I've got cookies :3
...

what kind?
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Chocolate chip :3
Ok you're in, but don't tell anyone mkay ;o

I played last time, can I play again?
We like giving more people a chance to play so you'll have to sit one out. You can always join the reserves though!

Why wasn't my handicap picked?
It probably won't work as well as you thought, cannot be monitored by the refs, has no show element or is just plain retarded.

Okay then, what makes a good handicap?
There are a couple of things that make a bad handicap.

      The offline handicap - "Has to play with ovenmittenslol"
There's no way of us to check this (other than trust the Hero) and it either won't show in the games or be so detrimental that he'll just roll over and die right off the bat.

      The area-bound handicap - "No maybard/scouting"
Although "base" and "expansion" seem pretty straightforward they really aren't. Also "yeah I was gonna build a building there but I changed my mind" is a pretty good excuse for the examples.

      The do handicap - "Yeah he's gotta plague his army lol"
Handcaps are mostly about what he can't do. If you tell he has to do something it raises when?/how?/where? questions - which makes the whole thing rather complicated - and if his opponent ggs before he can do whatever it is he has to do does he lose?

      The undoable handicap - "Can only morph from the left-most larvae"
The sole concept of playing with handicaps is hard. You have to remember what they are and drop some thing you are really really used to. Some things are therefore pretty undoable for a player. On top of that we don't want to go kESPA on his ass when he forgets, but just give him a reminder nudge. Therefore handicaps need to be checkable (i.e. nothing involving supply numbers).

Furthermore keep in mind that we try to go for non match-up specific handicaps.

You say it's on Sunday but the calender says Monday - I'm so confused!
TeamLiquid runs on KST (Korean time). Because of the timezone difference they arrive at their Monday before Europeans or Americans do.

Hey at what time do I get to play? Can I play first?
There is no set time for when you get to play. Adapting to Handicaps is in and of itself a tactical consideration and we leave the Hero the freedom to choose the order in which he plays people. Some Handicaps may prompt him to play vs a certain race first, or he might choose to save his best MU for last.

I didn't get to play, can I default to next time?
The show is about the Hero, not about the fodder. Being selected does not guarantee you a game. The Hero is just required to play you if he wants a full win. If, however, he loses the event is officially over. Of course we ask our Heroes to play some more games (who wants a 30 minute show?) but if we don't get to your it's just tough luck. You're free to enter future Arenas and if you showed up we'll pick you over people who didn't.

Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
January 22 2010 12:21 GMT
#3
GOGO GEOMETRY! haha :D (cya sunday everyone!)
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6170 Posts
January 22 2010 12:27 GMT
#4
I want the map Korhal of Ceres but I voted Chrystallized just for the lol xD
n_n
Sha[DoW]
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada110 Posts
January 22 2010 14:12 GMT
#5
Your TI-83 hates me, I'm 0-3
Some people are like slinkies, completely useless, but they bring a smile to your face when you shove them down the stairs.
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
January 22 2010 14:18 GMT
#6
Oh man game on Chrystallized is gonna be insane :D
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
January 22 2010 14:20 GMT
#7
Love the arena's like always, crystallized looks totally insane lol!
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
January 22 2010 15:13 GMT
#8
neat handicaps, i hope queen, no broodwar and whereto?! get picked, they are by far the best. Handicaps should force the challenger to play unorthodox and these three make that happen sept for whereto?! perhaps but it pulls his mechanical skills about down.

This is going to be the best arena yet :D
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66156 Posts
January 22 2010 17:10 GMT
#9
I shall not lose via a BO loss this time.
POGGERS
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 22 2010 17:47 GMT
#10
On January 23 2010 02:10 konadora wrote:
I shall not lose via a BO loss this time.

I hope you do again. =D

Anyways, Chrystallized looks absolutely wicked sick. That's gonna be a great map to play on.
God Bless
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
January 22 2010 18:05 GMT
#11
yayy i'm a reserve xD
Nony is Bonjwa
AM.23)Jehuty
Profile Joined April 2009
United States69 Posts
January 22 2010 18:14 GMT
#12
YEA BABY IM IN!! i promise not to dissapoint See you there!
Entaro Tassadar~
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-22 19:17:57
January 22 2010 19:17 GMT
#13
Pholon i demand a recount, using your calculator doesn't provide truly random results. Unbiased results maybe, truly random - no.
Edit: For your convenience: http://www.random.org/
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 22 2010 19:25 GMT
#14
On January 23 2010 04:17 Alur wrote:
Pholon i demand a recount, using your calculator doesn't provide truly random results. Unbiased results maybe, truly random - no.
Edit: For your convenience: http://www.random.org/


I hope you're kidding. It's close enough to random...
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Sha[DoW]
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada110 Posts
January 22 2010 21:23 GMT
#15
hehe, well I have no idea whether or not the calculator was completely random, but it seems fair enough to me, your calculator just doesn't like me haha
Some people are like slinkies, completely useless, but they bring a smile to your face when you shove them down the stairs.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 02:02:00
January 22 2010 22:54 GMT
#16
:D:D:D:D::D:D:D
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
January 23 2010 00:13 GMT
#17
aw damnit i didnt get a spot

best of luck to the competitors!
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 04:19:18
January 23 2010 04:18 GMT
#18
gogo deconduo

LOL did Pholon think IR = IRELAND instead of IE? Also decon you should fly your Aussie flag BE PROUD IT'S THE AUSTRALIA DAY WEEKEND
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 23 2010 08:09 GMT
#19
games played on chrystallized should be interesting.
Brood War loyalist
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 23 2010 08:19 GMT
#20
korhal brings back amazing memories.

I like the handicaps.. hope queens wins since that will just be fun.

The meat.. I mean players looks good too.

I promise you will all be entertained.

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