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MSL Final Predictions overall tally: 22 - 11 Flash

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
January 21 2010 10:12 GMT
#1
You can see that MrHoon and Kona have done quite a job translating Fomos's long interview series with e-sports personalities, with their predictions for the Nate MSL finals between Flash and JD.


A poster on PGR21.com with the id "V" compiled the results so we can see the results very clear.Source


Announcers
Flash: Lee Seung Won (main MBCGame announcer), Um Jae Gyung (main OGN announcer)
Jaedong: None

Bonjwas
Flash: Boxer, Iloveoov, Savior
Jaedong: Nada

Pro-gamers (no OZ or KTF players are included)
Flash: Yellow, Much, Ruby, Kwanro, Zero, UpMagic, Really, Calm, Leta, Go.go, Skyhigh, Effort, Odin, Firebathero, Sea, Mind
Jaedong: Bisu, Free, Shine, Hwasin, Canata, Fantasy, Best, Iris, Hyun, Light


TOTAL: Flash 22 - 11 Jaedong



Here's some more breakdowns I added for race.

Terran: Flash 11 - 6 Jaedong
Flash: Boxer, Iloveoov, Ruby, UpMagic, Really, Leta, Go.go, Skyhigh, Sea, Mind, Firebathero
Jaedong: Nada, Hwasin, Cananta, Fantasy, Iris, Light.

Zerg: Flash 7 - 2 Jaedong
Flash: Savior, Yellow, Zero, Kwanro, Calm, Effort, Odin
Jaedong: Shine, Hyun

Protoss: Flash 2 - 3 Jaedong
Flash: Stork, Much
Jaedong: Bisu, Free, Best



Amusing points that came to mind: Zerg are the most pessimistic about Jaedong's chances, while Protoss actually favor Jaedong. This is probably because they're the two groups that have been respectively killed the hardest by both players. SKT's two older Bonjwas like Flash, but their four main players think Jaedong will win.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 21 2010 10:13 GMT
#2
You saved my life omg ㅠㅠㅠ
형님사랑해요 ♡♡♡♡♡
dats racist
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
January 21 2010 10:14 GMT
#3
On January 21 2010 19:13 MrHoon wrote:
You saved my life omg ㅠㅠㅠ
형님사랑해요 ♡♡♡♡♡


I can't access fomos for some reason
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 21 2010 10:14 GMT
#4
On January 21 2010 19:14 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 19:13 MrHoon wrote:
You saved my life omg ㅠㅠㅠ
형님사랑해요 ♡♡♡♡♡


I can't access fomos for some reason

according to GTR, foreign ips are banned now
dats racist
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 10:18:42
January 21 2010 10:17 GMT
#5
Wow... Flash has the backing of all the top ZvTers.... Zero, Calm, Effort, Yarnc whereas JD has the backing of mostly the top TvZers....Hwasin, Light, Iris..... Sea and Mind are missing from the JD camp.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 21 2010 10:17 GMT
#6
Cmon zergs. You gotta believe! The Protoss race believes, and so should the swarm!

JD's gonna 5-0 this kid. Complete domination

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lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
January 21 2010 10:18 GMT
#7
Thanks for a tally. Anyone mind linking to the translation thread, if there is one, for the rest of the progamers opinions? I think I read it actually but I don't remember some progamer's comments (Don't remember reading about Iris', etc.).
Everyone needs a nemesis.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 10:22:03
January 21 2010 10:20 GMT
#8
I find it very interesting that all of the SKT players polled voted for Jaedong.

Maybe the fact that their zergs suck so bad makes the idea of a strong zerg that much more impressive.

EDIT: Somehow I skipped over the bonjwa section. Still, it's interesting how the Boxer/Oov vote Flash, while the newer SKT generation votes for Jaedong.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 21 2010 10:23 GMT
#9
On January 21 2010 19:18 lynx.oblige wrote:
Thanks for a tally. Anyone mind linking to the translation thread, if there is one, for the rest of the progamers opinions? I think I read it actually but I don't remember some progamer's comments (Don't remember reading about Iris', etc.).

To be correct, there are exactly 3 More long ass translations

I didn't catch it until now
dats racist
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
January 21 2010 10:26 GMT
#10
lol this is pretty interesting.

im surprised fantasy went for jd!

and who the fucked asked odin?
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
January 21 2010 10:30 GMT
#11
Even the Zergs think Jaedong will lose.
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
January 21 2010 10:32 GMT
#12
On January 21 2010 19:30 Gao Xi wrote:
Even the Zergs think Jaedong will lose.


They know a shitty map pool when they see one.
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
January 21 2010 10:32 GMT
#13
On January 21 2010 19:23 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 19:18 lynx.oblige wrote:
Thanks for a tally. Anyone mind linking to the translation thread, if there is one, for the rest of the progamers opinions? I think I read it actually but I don't remember some progamer's comments (Don't remember reading about Iris', etc.).

To be correct, there are exactly 3 More long ass translations

I didn't catch it until now


Does every final have this much coverage from top players or is this one special?

All of these hype translations are really awesome btw. Much appreciated!
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 21 2010 10:35 GMT
#14
On January 21 2010 19:32 Ver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 19:23 MrHoon wrote:
On January 21 2010 19:18 lynx.oblige wrote:
Thanks for a tally. Anyone mind linking to the translation thread, if there is one, for the rest of the progamers opinions? I think I read it actually but I don't remember some progamer's comments (Don't remember reading about Iris', etc.).

To be correct, there are exactly 3 More long ass translations

I didn't catch it until now


Does every final have this much coverage from top players or is this one special?

All of these hype translations are really awesome btw. Much appreciated!

special one lol
these interviews are fun too!

You know what's so funny though? You could just hear the bitterness in Kwanro's interview.
It's so funny because he's been bitching about MSL ever since he lost
dats racist
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
January 21 2010 10:38 GMT
#15
is that yarnc or ncyellow? and what's with fantasy believing jd will win? still bitter at the osl loss i presume.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 21 2010 10:39 GMT
#16
On January 21 2010 19:38 kawatan wrote:
is that yarnc or ncyellow? and what's with fantasy believing jd will win? still bitter at the osl loss i presume.

nc[yellow]. Yes, KONG

On Fantasy predicting JD will win:

SKT believes Match point is Zerg favored
that is all.
dats racist
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
January 21 2010 10:44 GMT
#17
I seriously love Hyun's choice the most - it just seems so smug to me.
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
January 21 2010 10:52 GMT
#18
You guys are the best~
this is my quote.
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
January 21 2010 10:52 GMT
#19
On January 21 2010 19:39 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 19:38 kawatan wrote:
is that yarnc or ncyellow? and what's with fantasy believing jd will win? still bitter at the osl loss i presume.

nc[yellow]. Yes, KONG

On Fantasy predicting JD will win:

SKT believes Match point is Zerg favored
that is all.

I can see why having to practice against HyuK all the time
Jaehoon - Master strategist
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
January 21 2010 11:07 GMT
#20
interestingly if you calculate flash's odds against jd through elo you'd get: 1/2 (fractional) or precisely 66.49%.

flash tvz: 2320
jd zvt: 2201

which is practically the same as 22-11.
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