EPTi've been wanting that role in for fuckin ever
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i've been wanting that role in for fuckin ever | ||
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On October 21 2009 13:58 Caller wrote: If elected I will lynch Pyrrhuloxia why | ||
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On October 21 2009 14:07 Incognito wrote: Not really. Trying to get DTs to check dying people is good, yes. But I was suggesting using DTs as a deterrent from mafia killing some people we want alive. I'm not sure if that's the better approach. Given the permutations, it should take a DT 2 RC's and according deaths to have a good approximation of his alignment. 3 if one of the deaths is a repeat in terms of color. It is definitely a deterrent but I'm not sure of exactly how effective it is. Also, with 21 players, we definitely don't have more than 2 DTs. Do we know if all blue roles listed are actually present? (like in the speed game more blue roles were in the rules post than actually in the game) | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:39 dreamflower wrote: I am serious when it comes to people being labeled as "good" and "bad" like that. I apologize if this is frightening for you. "Good" players can play quite badly and "bad" players can play well, so labeling someone like that and sticking by it forever seems ill-advised. And I thought it was ironic that Foolishness made that post, having been labeled a "bad" player by Ace in the past. ] this is true in the smurf game some people who are generally considered "not good" played rather well. | ||
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On October 22 2009 12:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: With this game we come to a stall, so let me stop this stride we are in before we all become a thrall. the dt plan is sound, but with an idea I may astound. with a little thinking in advance we can rid this trance. A vet we do claim, for if they do not we are put to shame. A clever plan in this is inlaid, a dt can check him and start a brigade, Chances of more than one are so small, as ver and qatol would like to keep things on the ball. So dear friends, let us wait for the phrase, so that with the vet we may all praise, to arms i say, now let us pray interesting idea. it allows the dt to learn a bit about his sanity without killing anyone off, given that the claimant is actually the vet and not a mafia impostor. the bad part is that the vet is someone the mafia want to avoid hitting, especially with 2KP. this means they now can avoid this guy and kill other people with relative impunity. the way to combat this imo is to make the vet someone important enough that the mafia must waste kp on him. the other risk we run is that there is no vet this game. I personally find that to be a strong possibility. | ||
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If there is a veteran, he should claim after the transition to night so the DT(s) are able to check him. As others have pointed out, there is not much to worry about in the situation of GF claiming as vet. If nobody claims, then the vet is either inactive or non existent. If this is the case I do not advocate any claiming by anyone. | ||
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On October 23 2009 08:32 HeavOnEarth wrote: lol i googled orange and it has no rhyme. lucky me ._. door hinge. i just blew yalls minds. | ||
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If both bodyguards are green, you can still minimize the chances of passing the info to a 3rd party red by doing a bit of behavior analysis. However if Ace is red and gets the name of the BGs, then we screwed ourselves over in that the mafia can just avoid hitting those 2 players. I don't know at this point what Ace could be (re: Shikyo, i just voted for him cause I figured he would attract votes later, and I wanted to keep Tricode out of office) If both are red, not passing the info loses us 2 players at NO risk to the mafia. Passing the info ensures that we have recourse if both bodyguards are red and the mafia go after the elected officials; we can retaliate with a degree of precision. The question remaining is whether mafia made the power play or not, or decided to play it safer. If both bodyguards are red, the mafia also don't have to kill Ace and/or Pyrr tonight. They can wait if they want to, keep that in mind. As for subbing 1 bodyguard: it puts an extra step in getting to kill Ace/Pyrr for them. If the bg info is passed and figured out, they only lose 1 mafia instead of 2. However there is also the chance that the bg info never even makes it to the mafia. However we should never assume that. In the scenario that only bg is subbed, the mafia will save 1 of its members at the cost of an extra night to kill Ace/Pyrr (first night, they kill 1 person +bg, 2nd Ace and/or Pyrr). What happens if either one of Ace or Pyrr are red? In that case only one will die. The other may feign medic protection, however since the medics know who they protected they will know the truth about this, and only have to wait until the right time to divulge that The remaining Ace/Pyrr will certainly be DT checked as well. While there a lot o theoretical combinations we can rule out some from the get go. For example, I do not find it plausible that both Ace and Pyrr are red along with the 2 bodyguards (thought that would be funnay). It is almost as unlikely that all 4 are green. | ||
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Oh yeah. derp | ||
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On October 25 2009 05:36 Ace wrote: Inf I think you've almost go it all. For one thing we know is certain - both myself and Pyrr can't be mafia. I wouldn't have even brought this scenario up if that was the case. We also know the if the Mafia do sub bodyguards it HAS to be BOTH and not just one. They have to try and kill one or both of us asap. They can't wait because if the bodyguard info is passed or they can't kill since one BG would be green they'd be fucked because they subbed for no gain. Remember this: BOTH have to be the same color. We need the 3rd player to be PUBLICLY notified. By this I mean Pyrr PMs the player the BG info, and the player PUBLICLY says he got it. This way the DTs immediately role check that guy so if the Mafia kills him we've got some information. The medics prot me or Pyrr in the case that the Mafia subbed both in. Now look at it from that point of view. We cover ALL bases and if the Mafia kill the 3rd party our DTs got some info. They can't kill both myself and Pyrr. We move on to Day 2 with info, no lynched innocents, and now we'd have the ability to skip the Vet plan and the DTs possibly 1/3rd of the way to their sanity. Remember they had to have subbed in before Night 1 is over and this is why I'm rushing it. If we can get everyone on the same page this game will literally be over in no time. Ask yourselves have I ever been wrong? exactly. Ok i think i see where you're coming from. We have to play it safe and notify the 3rd party. If we don't we run the risk of losing our 'leaders' and the town being left in the dark. It's basically a cost/benefit analysis: if both bg's are green and we notify a third party, there is a low chance of the negative happening, i.e., the 3rd party is red. If both bg's are red and we don't notify a 3rd party, there is a high chance that Ace and/or Pyrr die (why else would mafia sub both bg's?) | ||
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On October 25 2009 05:59 Tricode wrote: Maybe even possibly HoE being the veteran? Yeah forgot about him. As I said, effectively no veteran  | ||
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On October 25 2009 07:10 L wrote: 1) why would they need to hurry up 2) why would no one know if pyrr discloses to a non-you person? I mean, I know its hard to read my posts because they have more than six letters in them, but I've gone over all of this shit before. But you know that, don't you buttercup. Yeah I think mafia subbing 1 bg and slow rolling is a definite possibility as it is safer for their KP, at the cost of 1 more day to kill mayor/pardoner. 1 bg dies, we can kill the other one who is red. And they'd be killing other people during that day anyway. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. Pyrr still needs to notify 3rd parties anyway. The risk is too great if he doesn't. | ||
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On October 27 2009 12:09 L wrote: How do people feel about this statement? I mean, its kinda jumping the gun, but if they knew he wasn't mafia, they probably knew his roleclaim was legit and wanted him offed. Does that mean they'd vote for him? From the voter list, most of the people who voted have been fingered for suspicion earlier, but I'm not entirely certain that ensures that at least one is mafia. With 8 abstainers I think you were right that people were afraid to take a side. Mafia probably took advantage of this and mostly did not vote. For example, for all of Shikyo's soapboxing and grandstanding, who was he really convincing either way? There wasn't any large influx of Ace votes after his and RoLs and others' posts. Had more people voted for the alternative candidates Vivi or Amber, I'm fairly certain more mafia would have come out of the woodwork and stacked some votes on Ace. But because so many people abstained and 2 didn't vote (including you L..), there wasn't any need for them to do so. | ||
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if they did vote it would most likely be 1-2 on Ace, yes. why do you think I voted for Amber? | ||
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On October 28 2009 13:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol What are you saying? He was either hit by the mafia or the MadHatter. DF Either put a bomb on Judge and L, or Judge and Incognito. The mafia definitely used one hit on DF which activated (her?) bombs which hit either L and Judge, or Judge and Incognito. This is all assuming that L was actually protected/Veteran last night and that DF planted two bombs already (which is possible) The mafia also could of targeted Judge, however the last two things are highly unlikely. I doubt the mafia hit one of there own and if you look in DF's past posts, (She?) said she agreed with L on something, although that was very early on so her opinion could of changed. I didn't see any comments on incognito though. oh right - i forgot df could have put a bomb on incog. i just kinda assumed mafia hit him. | ||
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