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So let me get this straight:
-We DIDN'T lynch you, and decided to lynch sandroba alone (scum may I remind you) instead.
-We made a plan that forced scum (and perhaps a townie) to take action, in which would otherwise be a pretty straightforward sandro lynch without any information at all
-This made it so sandro gave 5 votes to Wiggles, which is pretty good information itself to analyse (depending what conclusion you get) exactly because of our plan
And instead of trying to use that information, comment on it, etc, you keep bashing us and our plans?
Why don't you tell us who the Yokoya scum is then? Why won't you analyse sandro's flip and figure out who is Harimoto? Why not do anything other than create more vague mistrust in our circle?
Also, those "interesting results" were sloosh desperately trying to come to your aid and dump votes unto you, and you two having town reads on each other out of nowhere.
Granted, you can't be scumbuddies now, so it's not as strong as me/MZ thought before, but it's an interesting result nonetheless.
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...I was just making conversation
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Mr. Wiggles, whose family would Katina belong to? You seemed confident that Sandroba was on the Yokoya team on the sole basis that scum will always split 1-1. Sandroba flipped Harimoto - how do your reads fare?
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On May 21 2012 08:14 Katina wrote:
...I was just making conversation
It surely doesn't seem like that if as soon as we get a scum lynched you continue to bash our methods.
Who do you think is Yokoya and Harimoto then?
I posted a helpful chart with votes and shit so you can analyze them easier and so you don't need to waste time on looking at each Day/Night Post countless of times.
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If we're going by votes and nothing else, EchelonTee is the last member of BC's team and Meapak is the most likely candidate for Palmar's team. Wiggles is the other likely candidate. This assuming there were no stacks.
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On May 21 2012 08:24 gonzaw wrote:It surely doesn't seem like that if as soon as we get a scum lynched you continue to bash our methods. Who do you think is Yokoya and Harimoto then? I posted a helpful chart with votes and shit so you can analyze them easier and so you don't need to waste time on looking at each Day/Night Post countless of times.
Wasn't intending to bash that plan. I'm sorry it came across that way sir.
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I'll tell you the same thing I told Wiggles:
"Without taking voting patterns into account, can you back that up?"
Also lol, supposedly I'm the poor townie that's being misled by 2 different scum infiltrated in our circle  (if you say ET is Yokoya and MZ is Harimoto).
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Gonzaw don't you love all the activity now that people realize you and I are gonna win this for the town?
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On May 21 2012 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Gonzaw don't you love all the activity now that people realize you and I are gonna win this for the town?
Well, at least it makes the game less boring for now
Also, check your PMs 
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On May 21 2012 08:26 Katina wrote:
If we're going by votes and nothing else, EchelonTee is the last member of BC's team and Meapak is the most likely candidate for Palmar's team. Wiggles is the other likely candidate. This assuming there were no stacks.
I lost track of who you thought is scum; is it me and MZ now ? o.O ??
ur last 1/3 of posts have been a lot of discreditation and fighting and stuff. u were being a lot more constructive before lol; it sounds a lot like you've run out of people to accuse/bus  I really thought you were town
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![[image loading]](http://lambiek.net/artists/k/kaitani_shinobu/kaitani_shinobu_liargame.jpg) Day 8: Round A
Yet another quiet night.
It is now Round A (Minority Voting).
The statement for today's game is:
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
If you agree with this statement, vote yes.
If you disagree with this statement, vote no.
Round A (Minority Round) ends in 24 hours at 8PM PDT (03:00 GMT (+00:00) your time). Please PM your vote (Yes/No) to me before then.
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Again, not surprised
People, NO ONE vote for now.
We have a plan for today, me/ET/MZ will discuss it a little bit more, and show it to you guys shortly
We have a very good chance of winning the game TODAY
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lol scum have no KP left or something
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Ultimate Plan for Day 8
Introduction:
Today we will kill all 3 of Wiggles/Katina/sloosh.
Me and MZ are convinced the 2 remaining scum are in that group, and ET thinks so too, or at least he agrees with the plan.
The 2 remaining scum are surely in that group, and today we'll get rid of both of them.
To do so, the plan needs to be organized in 2 phases. Phase A will refer to the plan for Round A, and Phase B will refer to the plan for Round B.
First, I'll tell you guys the actual plan, and then I'll tell you why it will work
Phase A:
Votes for Round A:
NO:
gonzaw - Mr.Wiggles - slOosh - Katina
YES:
EchelonTee - Meapak_Zipph
Phase B:
Everybody, except me should give their 5 votes to me (gonzaw).
I'll put my 5 votes on ET or Meapak (illegal votes).
The votes will look like this:
gonzaw (25): (5 EchelonTee, 5 Meapak_Zipph, 5 Mr.Wiggles, 5 slOosh, 5 Katina)
Mr.Wiggles (0): Nobody
slOosh (0): Nobody
Katina (0): Nobody
Illegal votes: EchelonTee (5): (5 gonzaw)
If illegal votes weren't allowed for some reason (I don't see why they wouldn't, sandro didn't receive any warning for making his illegal votes on Day 6):
Then I'll give 2 votes to Mr.Wiggles, 2 votes to Katina, 1 vote to slOosh, and 1 of ET or MZ will give the remaining 1 vote to slOosh.
Reasons why it will work
Premise: Each townie will follow this plan
In anticipation to the people casting doubt on ET, MZ and me, I'll tell you guys what happens in the case one or 2 of us are scum:
If 2 of gonzaw/Meapak/EchelonTee are scum:
Then Wiggles/sloosh/Katina are all townies. Because of the premise, they will follow the plan. All 3 will die.
However, that will leave us in a 1-1-1 situation. Considering there will be no night kill (surely) on Night 8, we will arrive at Day 9 in a 1-1-1 situation.
That's basically a kingmaker scenario and stalemate for scum. It would most likely end in a draw with the remaining townie dying, or the townie deciding who of the 2 scum win.
However, I would say a stalemate or draw is better for us than a loss, and you guys should know that if 2 of me/ET/MZ are in fact scum town and we don't follow the plan, then we would surely lose anyways
If 1 of gonzaw/Meapak/EchelonTee is scum:
Then we'll arrive at Day 9 in a 2-1 situation. This is normal LYLO, and we can figure out who the scum out of us is, we can still win.
Now, the chances of the 1st situation happening are basically 0%, and the chances of the 2nd one happening are very low IMO.
However, even if one of us was scum, we can still win.
Those scenarios should not really be considered since I'm sure we 3 are town, which leaves us to:
2 out of Katina/Wiggles/slOosh are scum
Scenarios for Phase A:
The 2 scum vote YES:
In this case, both scum will try to vote YES to avoid being in the majority and save themselves from being killed today.
The votes will be:
NO:
gonzaw - townie
YES:
ET - MZ - 1 Yokoya - 1 Harimoto
Both scum WILL be in the majority. Both of them will be outed (remember the Premise, if someone is town they'll follow the plan), and we can easily kill them today and/or tomorrow
1 scum votes YES:
One scum decides to stick with the plan for Phase A, but one decides to vote YES to try and save himself
The votes will be:
NO:
gonzaw - townie - 1 scum
YES:
ET - MZ - 1 scum
There will be a draw.
Because of the premise, then that scum will be outed, and we can easily kill him alone the next Round A after the draw.
After he's killed, we do a similar plan for the remaining 2 players to kill the remaining scum
The 2 scum vote NO:
Then they decided to follow the plan...good. They'll learn this is the best thing for them since it means the game will be over sooner
Scenarios for Phase B:
1)Both scum follow the plan:
In this case, both will end up with 0 votes on them, and both will die. In this case we'll win the game.
Again, I suggest scum taking this course of action, so the game ends sooner and we don't need to have to wait until Day 15 or something to win this game.
2)1 scum follows the plan, but the other one doesn't
In this case, there are 2 options:
2.1)The scum only saves the townie out of Katina/sloosh/Wiggles:
In this case, then the townie will be saved but both scum will be dead with 0 votes
2.2)The scum only saves the other scum:
In this case, the scum that didn't follow the plan will die with 0 votes, along with the townie, but the one that
followed the plan will live. Again, this will out that scum as scum since he's still alive, and we'll kill him the next day
3)Both scum decide not to follow the plan
In this case, there are 3 options:
3.1)Both scum will only save the townie out of Katina/sloosh/Wiggles:
It's possible both choose 1 player to save, and it's the townie. In this case both will be dead with 0 votes
3.2)One scum saves the townie, and the other one save the other scum:
Then 1 scum will die with 0 votes, and the other will be outed. The townie will live though, which is nice (better than
(2.2) for instance). Again, pretty easy to kill that scum on Day 9.
3.3)Both scum save each other:
In this case, only the townie will die. However, this will out BOTH scum, and will leave us in a 3-1-1 situation.
Considering most likely there won't be a night kill on Night 8, we'll arrive at Day 9 in a 3-1-1 situation with 2
outed scum, and we can kill both of them by forcing them into the majority on D9 and/or on D10.
Now, if both scum follow Phase A, but decide to screw us on Phase B by voting to each other, then one of those scenarios above may happen.
The "worst" of them is having both scum save each other.
However, that happening is very unlikely
Why?
- Scum from different families don't know each other. They'll have to guess who the scum from the other team is, AND guess correctly for that to happen
- Both scum have to guess correctly, not only one
- Both scum would need to "fight back" sort of speak. Meaning they wouldn't surrender, even if it meant they'd most likely lose in a next day anyways
- If one scum decides to save the other scum, even if he guesses correctly, he will only live if the other scum does the same.
This won't happen, because for both scum to survive today, each scum NEEDS the other scum to save him to survive. If the other scum doesn't do that correctly, then said scum will die.
So scum, hear me out, it will be VERY likely that you will die, even if the other scum has the best intentions to try and save you somehow, he has a chance of saving the townie instead
So scum, hear me out again:
You lost
Don't fight back, and follow the plan exactly and we'll end this game right now and we don't need to drag it to Day 9 or even Day 10.
If you decide to "rebel" today, you'll either out yourself to die tomorrow, or you'll save the scum from the other faction, but you will still lose
So don't be a pain in the ass and follow the plan, okay?
So, now I'll talk to the townie out of Wiggles/Katina/sloosh
This whole plan rests on the premise that you'll follow it. ET and MZ will surely follow it, so the only way it will work is if you follow it yourself.
As you can see, if the other 2 out of Wiggles/Katina/sloosh are scum, we will win 100% no matter what, so you don't have anything to fear.
If you think 1 of me/ET/MZ is scum, then you'll know that we still have a chance to win in a 2-1 D9 LYLO. By following this plan, if 1 of us were actually to be scum then we'd end this game sooner as well (and we wouldn't need to spend 3 days lynching all 3 of you).
If you somehow think 2 of me/ET/MZ is scum, then surely you know that if that was the case we lost already. However, if you follow this plan we can force a stalemate and maybe a draw.
However, I assure you that all 3 of us are town, so trust me on this one and don't rebel yourself against the plan. If you do, it will make us think you are scum trying to rebel and fight back, and we'll likely lynch you in the future and have a chance to lose.
Again, it also means the game will end sooner no matter what you think is the case.
So, reminder:
To Town: Please follow this plan and I assure you we'll win today and end this game once and for all
To Scum: Please follow this plan since you already lost. You surely want this game to end right now as well, and you know you can't win, so make it quick and follow it. You only need to Answer NO today and give your 5 votes to me tomorrow, nothing else.
So people, this is the plan, and hopefully everything that needed to be said about it was already said, so get to it and vote according to Phase A please.
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my name is ET and I approve of this plan
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EBWOP:
However, I would say a stalemate or draw is better for us than a loss, and you guys should know that if 2 of me/ET/MZ are in fact scum and we don't follow the plan, then we would surely lose anyways
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Why do you think EchelonTee is town exactly?
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On May 21 2012 15:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Why do you think EchelonTee is town exactly?
Why would you ask me that question, and what does this have to do with the plan?
You know, you can comment on it as well.
You also seem to completely ignore sandro's flip and its repercussions. I remember you saying that ET and someone else would both be Harimoto, ONLY because of voting patterns. However I also remember you thinking sandro was Yokoya, so surely your reads would change by now, considering you ONLY used voting patterns to determine them, right?
But well, I think you are scum Wiggles, so it doesn't matter actually matter what you vote.
Although please vote NO to follow the plan so we can end the game earlier.
For people that still ask me "Why do you think ET is town? bla bla bla bla".
ET was part of our plans since Day 4 and has been in the loop ever since. He knew about every plan since then. He knew the plans when chaoser was lynched, the plans when Palmar got lynched and the one where sandroba got lynched.
He never tried to stop those, so unless you say he just bussed all his teammates since Day 4 to win solo or something he's town.
He is clear with his reads ever since the game started as well, and if you want to take meta into account, he seems to care about the game and is not acting to his scum meta at all (for instance, check SoaF).
Now that we are over that, if any of you want to seriously consider MZ or ET as scum, then make a convincing case other than "oh he voted opposite sandroba/chaoser one day".
If not, then you should have no qualms over following this plan.
Even if you still think MZ/ET is scum, then still follow the plan and we'll deal with that once we get to D9.
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Haha, what an amusing way to resolve the game, just kill all the suspicious guys. However, understanding the nature of this game, I will comply.
Therefore I will spend the rest of my energies anticipating worst case scenario of the 1 scum in the trio if there is one. I'm pretty sure Mr. Wiggles is scum, and a 2-1 worst case scenario is just a matter of the townies identifying each other and splitting 1-1 forcing the final scum into majority.
But yea if Mr. Wiggles and katina are both scum you guys should surrender so we can end this game faster and start post game discussions.
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From: Katina [ 191 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: day plan
Date: 5/22/12 01:21
Do you find it likely there are no more night kills? Because I don't. And if a mafia has a night kill it's gonzaw. His plan hinges on a possible stalemate scenario. No townie is going to settle for a draw like that. Something's wrong.
Hey check it out guys, I found a letter of resignation!
My gosh what a treasure trove of nervousness.
In her eyes I should be the other townie right? She thinks Mr. Wiggles is scum, and therefore 1 scum in the trio.
I would surmise that she would think gonzaw is town because he gets shot. But that assumes that for some reason 1 mafia family would gain KP (and not the other). Reaching for straws now.
In the next breath she calls his plan something that "no townie" would settle for (?). What is this I don't even?
She is calling gonzaw mafia or what? Something is wrong but she isn't pointing out what exactly?
And I'm the townie who has agreed with the plan, right? So she is trying to cast suspicions on (I'm not sure who exactly she is even pointing fingers at) with the same reason that would make me not townie?
This combined with her weak response to gonzaw's lambaste (totally felt like a Pheonix Wright grilling) is good enough for me. She is the last scum. The case is probably
Katina is Yokoya. Mr. Wiggles is Harimoto.
That makes me the cool townie who was slaughtered among the suspects took one for the team.
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bs0NWmIZ-8#t=01m28s
Here is a video demonstration of the situation
And on that note, I'm not gonna bother suspecting MZ or ET on paranoia anymore.
And if I'm wrong then I'm sure the trio can clear it up better than I could hope to, and we can all have a good laugh at the end.
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